GAZA (before & after pictures)

[Whiskey16]

It doesn't take me long to go thru the threads and figure out who here supports terrorists...

Can you please quote those extremist forum members advocating for or at least supporting terrorism?

Let me go first:

If peace and security eventually require killing them all [Palestinians], they brought it on themselves. That's the beauty of democracy.

I won't apologize that you find this view disturbing, for it's a disturbing view. But at some point even Old Yeller had to be put down.

Keep any "disturbing views" that advocate the deaths of an entire population to yourself. They are not welcome here.
admin allisolm

Were it me, I'd have fled or killed enough Palestinians to make them flee.

Hamas is getting Exactly what they have been asking for. I say good, run the whole population of the Gaza into the ocean and they will all be better off for it.

Everyone, please take notice. Passions are running high over this, and I don't wish to be heavy-handed, so I am presently just ASKING everyone not to indulge in such blood-thirsty rhetoric.

Perknose
Forum Director

Good, they need to exterminate every person in gaza.

Advocating the wholesale extermination, the genocide, of an entire population -- women, children, otherwise innocent civilians and all -- will NOT be further tolerated on these forums.

Perknose
Forum Director

See, the only way that this problem is solved is if one group of people disappear. I'll probably get banned for voicing that opinion as I have been warned prior, but I guess the truth hurts. Nobody likes to say it but it is what it is. These people have nothing to live for so of course they get brain washed into thinking that its their destiny to kill jews. Alittle carpet bombing like what went on in dresden and other german towns would probably do some good over there. I'm sure in this day and age it's not PC to mention but war is hell and you can't get PC in war. Just look at every war after WW2 and the disasters they've been.

You only got a warning for advocating extermination just before, as a courtesy, even though you well deserved an infraction. It seems to have sent you the wrong message. Perhaps this infraction will.

Perknose
Forum Director

Just sterilize them all. Don't have to kill them. Chop the family jewels off the men and sterilize the women.

Israel tried to make a 2 state solution but they just keep attacking. They are begging to be exterminated. If one side does not want peace, what are you suppose to do? It would be like the Jews making peace with Nazi's as the walk into the showers and the ovens!


This is the just the latest in a series of inflated, highly regrettable hate rhetoric which goes beyond the bounds of acceptability, not only on ATP&N, but amongst sane, adult humans everywhere.

EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE NOTE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. No more calls for mass extermination, mass exile, or mass sterilization will be allowed to stand here. We understand the high emotions on all sides of this conflict, and have allowed repeated instances of this to stand in the interests of "free speech", but this is our line in the sand. NO MORE. Cross it at your own peril.

Perknose
Forum Director

There will be no peace until Israel takes the gloves off and inflicts enough pain on the Palestinians...

The Israelis can kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza as far as I'm concerned, if that's what it takes.

compuwiz1, it's now your turn to display to us who you were thinking or for supporting terrorism and therefore the deaths of civilians for political goals?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Yes, in Gaza.

When a population faces extreme hardship, siege, expulsion from land, land expropriation, and occupation, then counter insurgencies are expected.

At least a portion of those insurgencies often do take the form of extremist militarism where attempted political goals pressured with criminal terrorism against nor caring for civilians -- much as the terrorist pressure by certain Jewish extremist groups against the British and Palestinians before Israeli statehood.

The current disproportionate offensive in Gaza, just as the past, change no course other than to re-enforce the desperation of the population and provide a continuing recruitment tool for more insurgents -- possibly even more extreme than the past.

Such insurgencies cannot be militarily defeated nor quelled when the elements that created such insurgencies remain. As with the foundation of the State of Israel, eventually, diplomatic solutions must be initiated.

Nothing more need be said as you just proved the insanity and lack of regard for human life Hamas exhibits towards Israelis and even the people of Gaza, which is true of its supporters and sympathizers. Basically you support Hamas using urban civilian areas as a shield to attack Israel. You could give a rats ass about the inevitable retaliation that would cause civilian deaths as result of Hamas using civilian areas to launch rockets aimed to kill Israeli civilians. A retaliation that would and should occur because no sane or just nation and it leaders should or would allow its citizens to be the target of a terrorist group's homicidal and psychotic agenda to exterminate their state and their people because they refuse to acknowledge that they have a right to even exist, i.e. the Hamas platform against Israel.

Gotcha.

Nothing more need be said as you just proved the insanity and lack of regard for human life Hamas exhibits towards Israelis and even the people of Gaza, which is true of its supporters and sympathizers.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I am a 'self-hating Jew,' now am I?

Certainly sounds like it.

I expect you to provide a quote of me to support your charge of "anti-Semitism."

Your perspective is good enough for me. If you cannot grant the Jews the right to act in their defense while you grant the Palestinians the right to aggress for the Jews' mere presence, you might be an anti-semite.

No, DominionSeraph, I correctly identified hate speech and the incitements to crime. In this case, supremacist bigotry to inflict terrorism upon a generalised basis of ethnicity/nationalism - Palestinians.

Who said this was about their ethnicity? It's about their behavior. You know, the killing teenagers, the rockets, the invasion tunnels, the continual terrorism and refusal to accept reality in favor of their delusion that if they just keep pecking away at Israel by cowardly murdering her civilians whenever the mood strikes that eventually "Allah" will reward them with the victory of a Jewless Palestine.

The Palestinians engage in attacks and will not give Israel peace. War has been declared in words and deeds. Israel has the right to prosecute that war until surrender. The Israelis can kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza as far as I'm concerned, if that's what it takes. If the last one alive is laying there slowly dying, the Israelis come up and ask, "Do you surrender," and he or she says, "Death to Israel," the Israelis have the right to shoot them in the head.
A conflict has no natural right to existence in itself. There is no obligation to keep a person who hates another alive simply for the sake of the life of their conflict. Just as we would war the Germans to surrender if they acted against their neighbors out of Aryan supremacy again even if it took killing every last Nazi, the Israelis may war the Palestinians to surrender for their acts of Palestinian supremacism.



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Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Whiskey16]

You are caught lying and misrepresenting:

Basically you support Hamas using urban civilian areas as a shield to attack Israel.

No, I absolutely do not. With logic and reason, I presented the rational for the presence and continuation of "at least a portion of those insurgencies [who] often do take the form of extremist militarism where attempted political goals pressured with criminal terrorism against nor caring for civilians."

Categorising a groups actions as "criminal terrorism" is the antithesis of support.

You could give a rats ass about the inevitable retaliation that would cause civilian deaths as result of Hamas using civilian areas to launch rockets aimed to kill Israeli civilians. Gotcha. Nothing more need be said as you just proved the insanity and lack of regard for human life of Hamas, its supporters and sympathizers.

That quote of DucatiMonster is a picture perfect demonstration of trolling and the intentional posting of logical fallacies or misinformation by a slimy member without and ounce of integrity.

 

[Whiskey16]

No DominionSeraph, I most certainly am not an anti-Semite.

I am correctly identifying supremacist extremists and incitement to terrorism that do make neo-Nazis proud:

The Israelis can kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza as far as I'm concerned, if that's what it takes.

Bloody hell.... D:

 

[pcgeek11]

http://graphics.wsj.com/gaza-before-after/

satellite pictures. drag the interactive bar to see extensive of damage.
entire cities have been wiped out by the hypocrites and liars.

Why did the Palestinians blow up their own?

 

[DominionSeraph]

No DominionSeraph, I most certainly am not an anti-Semite.

"I'm not so much anti-Semetic as I am pro- Jew killing."

I am correctly identifying supremacist extremists and incitement to terrorism that do make neo-Nazis proud:

Considering you don't even know the difference between war and terrorism, you really should check that application of "correct." Just because your brain shits out an opinion doesn't mean it's the correct answer.

 

[soulcougher73]

I was trying to give a fuck, but i just couldnt muster enough up. Sorry OP. War sucks and as always, one side has to lose. Sorry Palestine..you fucked with the bull, now you get the horns.

 

[Whiskey16]

"I'm not so much anti-Semetic as I am pro- Jew killing."

It's simply to take up the Israeli led PR gain of a critique of Israeli policy equates to them of being "anti-Semetic."

You fail to support your position, therefore you are a liar an incompetent.

Just because your brain shits out an opinion doesn't mean it's the correct answer.

Careful with that shit-flinging, DominionSeraph:

Considering you don't even know the difference between war and terrorism, you really should check that application of "correct."

Yes, let's do that:

ter·ror·ism

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əˌrɪz

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m]

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Now, that I assume you are in the USA, let's cite USA law:

...Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

• Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
• Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
• Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

DominionSeraph, you advocate terrorism. You, you along with those other members from above, are violent and supremacist extremists, who have no business interacting in a civilised society:

The Israelis can kill every last man, woman, and child in Gaza as far as I'm concerned, if that's what it takes.

It is unfortunate that so few members here will openly denounce explicitly bigoted hatred and incitement to genocide. The regular expression of such criminal extremism is a display of how ill the culture of ATP&N is.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Now, that I assume you are in the USA, let's cite USA law:

Moron, war is between governments. It is not a criminal act under US law.
Try to keep up.

Careful with that shit-flinging, DominionSeraph:

I don't need to. You're the one who doesn't know the difference between war and terrorism and so don't have a leg to stand on. Leave and don't come back until you do.
I have never seen anyone as blinded by racism as you.

 

[davmat787]

It is unfortunate that so few members here will openly denounce explicitly bigoted hatred and incitement to genocide. The regular expression of such criminal extremism is a display of how ill the culture of ATP&N is.

Unfortunate? No, it's simply the byproduct of your incessant need to call anyone who dares to have a different world view than yours a xenophobic racist that is hell bent on genocide.

Maybe blanket accusations of racism still quiets your targets in Canada, but here in the U.S. most quickly see through this deplorable tactic by now, which also happens to make people tone deaf when real racism occurs.

 

[sm625]

What's more disturbing than the child to adult death ratio in Gaza is this bloodthirsty couch-warrior warmonger attitude of the typical american. "Yeah I can post stupid comic book superhero pictures with stupid ass captions hightlighting how stupid I am for all to see."

 

[CitizenKain]

Nothing more need be said as you just proved the insanity and lack of regard for human life Hamas exhibits towards Israelis and even the people of Gaza, which is true of its supporters and sympathizers.

Meanwhile the people who actually slaughter civilians for sport are celebrated by people like you.

 

[smackababy]

Well, this thread certainly turned out well.


I thought I'd add: the reason Hamas hides their weapons in hospitals and schools isn't because those are great places to hide shit. It isn't because they won't be targeted by Israel. It is because they get a bunch of dead women and children to parade around to garner sympathy and recruits. Anyone who doesn't see this is blind. Hamas uses their own people as martyrs and you morons eat it up.

 

[Whiskey16]

Unfortunate? No, it's simply the byproduct of your incessant need to call anyone who dares to have a different world view than yours a xenophobic racist that is hell bent on genocide.

Ahhh, true to this forum's memberships' disturbing ill immorality, it is now simply a "a different world view" to advocate supremacist racism and calls for the extermination of civilians belonging to a maligned group.

I would appreciate a higher power to come in and explain intolerance to hateful racism and incitement to high crimes against humanity.

 

[davmat787]

Ahhh, true to this forum's memberships' disturbing ill immorality, it is now simply a "a different world view" to advocate supremacist racism and calls for the extermination of civilians belonging to a maligned group.

I would appreciate a higher power to come in and explain intolerance to hateful racism and incitement to high crimes against humanity.

I am referring to your constant need to accuse others of racism all the time, regardless of the subject or thread. You have stated many times that this place is no better than stormfront or words to that effect, and since you see racists everywhere here, why taint your obvious moral superiority by posting here?

You're way too quick and frequent with your accusations of racism and genocide to be taken seriously.

 

[piasabird]

Then don't fire rockets at peace loving people.

 

[Pneumothorax]

If serendipitously some Palestinian 'moderates' assassinated all the Hamas/Fatah leadership , came to the Israelis and handed them all their rockets, mortars, IEDS, bomb vests, and AK47's, renounced all their claims to Jerusalem, would Israel open their borders, stop opening new settlements, and let them live in peace in the land they're in?

 

[Mxylplyx]

What Israel is doing is collective punishment plain and simple. When Hamas fires a rocket that has < 1% chance of hitting anything of note next to a school sheltering 1000 people, that does not give Israel the justification to drop a massive artillery barrage on the area, especially since they know damn well whomever fired the rocket will be long gone. I have no doubt that Hamas's strategy is to invite Israeli fire on populated areas and create these media events, but that doesn't give the Israelis the the justification to play along. Israel is just as bad Hamas in this situation, if not worse. With greater power comes greater responsibility, something that appears lost on the Israelis.

 

[Exophase]

If serendipitously some Palestinian 'moderates' assassinated all the Hamas/Fatah leadership , came to the Israelis and handed them all their rockets, mortars, IEDS, bomb vests, and AK47's, renounced all their claims to Jerusalem, would Israel open their borders, stop opening new settlements, and let them live in peace in the land they're in?

The blockade is more or less a reaction to Hamas's election and wasn't put up as soon as Israel left Gaza. So if Israel really believed Hamas and similar militant groups were removed from power and influence in Gaza I think it's realistic they'd remove the blockade and siege. Especially given how much international pressure is on Israel to do so.

As for the other two, I really have no idea..

 

[Exophase]

What Israel is doing is collective punishment plain and simple. When Hamas fires a rocket that has < 1% chance of hitting anything of note next to a school sheltering 1000 people, that does not give Israel the justification to drop a massive artillery barrage on the area, especially since they know damn well whomever fired the rocket will be long gone. I have no doubt that Hamas's strategy is to invite Israeli fire on populated areas and create these media events, but that doesn't give the Israelis the the justification to play along. Israel is just as bad Hamas in this situation, if not worse. With greater power comes greater responsibility, something that appears lost on the Israelis.

I wonder how people in Israel feel about the retaliations basically playing exactly into Hamas's hands. I think a lot of governments are really big on not appearing weak, and Israel in particular is probably really paranoid that they'll get hit harder the second they appear to be tolerating anything. I suspect that it's not nearly as true as they think.

I can't imagine that Hamas is launching the attacks with the intention of causing a lot of damage rather than media recognition, especially due to the intensity of Israel's retaliation (and it makes you wonder what else they could be doing to increase risk to Gazans). Another motivation is to get Israelis to invade so they can kidnap them with the hopes of getting hundreds of prisoners freed in an exchange, look at how they will kill all but one of a group of soldiers. Personally I see Hamas as worse than Israel here, their role of sacrificing their own people is more sick and manipulative, and they're doing it from a position of increased relative safety, but that's all just my opinion...

I also think your claim of < 1% sounds like a big exaggeration.. not sure if you're being hyperbolic or what. Iron Dome has stopped something like 600 out of 3000 or so missiles, so somewhere around 20%. So while that means that a large percentage of rockets were deemed unworthy of interception, far more than 1% were considered worthy, even considering cases where the Iron Dome algorithm was being overly cautious. And it's not like they didn't cause their fair share of noteworthy damage in the past, if a lot less than what Israel causes Gaza.

 

[DigDog]

I have no sympathy for Hamas and applaud Israel's restraint. If Mexican nationals started launching mortars at Texas because of the US having control of it, and the Mexican government and people refused to give up the terrorist involved, we'd carpet bomb the entire fucking country and call it a day.

dude, i hate to break it to you but you have zero clue what you are talking about.

here is what it would be like.

1) mexicans INVADE texas. (the mexicans are the Israelis)
2) texans respond to having their livelyhood taken away, their land expropriated, and the occasional homicide by shooting them' gunz across the border.
3) mexicans now owning 70% of texas, and 90% of the resources, respond by raping and slaughtering whole families of texan civilans, bombing / airstriking schools / hospitals / etc, holding the etxan population is a state of subjugation akin to an open jail, and pushing a world-wide propaganda on how the TEXANS are illegaly occupying texas.

i know you're probably giggling at the "mexicans invade texas" bit .. well, me too.
but this is the way things are in palestine.

 

[SandEagle]

I was trying to give a fuck, but i just couldnt muster enough up. Sorry OP. War sucks and as always, one side has to lose. Sorry Palestine..you fucked with the bull, now you get the horns.

its funny that many view this as a war and not a genocide. a war would have been proper had both sides been equally equipped. and lol at calling them the bull. they are cowards without US supplied arms, tanks, missles, guns.

here are your brave bulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCo8Ku9XPuM

 

[Mxylplyx]

I wonder how people in Israel feel about the retaliations basically playing exactly into Hamas's hands. I think a lot of governments are really big on not appearing weak, and Israel in particular is probably really paranoid that they'll get hit harder the second they appear to be tolerating anything. I suspect that it's not nearly as true as they think.

I can't imagine that Hamas is launching the attacks with the intention of causing a lot of damage rather than media recognition, especially due to the intensity of Israel's retaliation (and it makes you wonder what else they could be doing to increase risk to Gazans). Another motivation is to get Israelis to invade so they can kidnap them with the hopes of getting hundreds of prisoners freed in an exchange, look at how they will kill all but one of a group of soldiers. Personally I see Hamas as worse than Israel here, their role of sacrificing their own people is more sick and manipulative, and they're doing it from a position of increased relative safety, but that's all just my opinion...

I also think your claim of < 1% sounds like a big exaggeration.. not sure if you're being hyperbolic or what. Iron Dome has stopped something like 600 out of 3000 or so missiles, so somewhere around 20%. So while that means that a large percentage of rockets were deemed unworthy of interception, far more than 1% were considered worthy, even considering cases where the Iron Dome algorithm was being overly cautious. And it's not like they didn't cause their fair share of noteworthy damage in the past, if a lot less than what Israel causes Gaza.

My point is that from a tactical perspective, the Hamas rocket campaign is an utter failure. The last count was 28 total Israeli civilians killed by rocket fire dating back to 2004. Israel killed 21 in a single strike on a UN shelter in this conflict. If Israel's response is not a willful collective punishment to the civilian population stemming from a tactically insignificant rocket launch, then what do you believe is the military justification to it? As you may have seen in the Indian news footage of a Hamas rocket launch, the rocket crew was well clear of the area before the rocket launched. The launcher is nothing more than a crudely fabricated metal tripod, so there is no military value in destroying that. It's obvious that Israel is trying to terrorize the Palestinian population until they reach some mythical epiphany and overthrow their organized resistance and willfully submit their entire population to Israel's will. You cant take something from people with nothing to lose.

 

[smackababy]

dude, i hate to break it to you but you have zero clue what you are talking about.

here is what it would be like.

1) mexicans INVADE texas. (the mexicans are the Israelis)
2) texans respond to having their livelyhood taken away, their land expropriated, and the occasional homicide by shooting them' gunz across the border.
3) mexicans now owning 70% of texas, and 90% of the resources, respond by raping and slaughtering whole families of texan civilans, bombing / airstriking schools / hospitals / etc, holding the etxan population is a state of subjugation akin to an open jail, and pushing a world-wide propaganda on how the TEXANS are illegaly occupying texas.

i know you're probably giggling at the "mexicans invade texas" bit .. well, me too.
but this is the way things are in palestine.

Except, the US has already taken Texas from the Mexicans (and could have taken more at the time, but settled on that border line). If the Mexicans were still pissed off about that (and by pissed off, I mean place some silly importance on a city that was in some fairy tale from 600 years ago) and wished for Texas to be completely removed from the Union and revert back to their power, this would be a similar situation. I was merely state that the US might condemn Israel for retaliation, but they'd do the exact same thing.