That situation isn't nearly as confusing as trying to figure out the op's real point. Hopefully this doesn't reflect the op's parenting style.
That situation isn't nearly as confusing as trying to figure out the op's real point. Hopefully this doesn't reflect the op's parenting style.
Sigh.
Again, assuming that the biological father is known and does not willfully sign over his rights then he has not lost any paternal rights. He will, until the child is 18, have the right to petition the court and get all of his legal parental rights as the court sees fit in the best interests of the child.
In the above case no other person has ever gained legal parental rights to the child, period. Full stop. End of discussion.
The only way for two women or two men to both be legal parents of a child is either some type of sperm donor or through legal adoption in which the court removes, either by force or due to the biological parents willingness, the biological parents rights and gives them to the adopted parents. That is what the entire purpose of adoption is. There might be another scenario but I would imagine it would be very rare and vague.
This is not the issue that you are making it out to be. Lots of hetero couples go through the exact same process every year.
Whoever the court deems and because the court is at least attempting to act in the best interests of the child.
No, that is NOT the point of a birth certificate. The only two people that should be listed on the birth certificate are both biological parents, period. There are very good reasons for this such as the child being able to find his biological parents later in life to get medical history/information.
1. The biological parent willfully gives up their rights and legally signs them away.
2. A court deems that it is in the best interests of the child to do so.
There is a world of difference between claims and proves, but if the father finds out 5 years later that he is in fact not the biological father AND he wishes to give up all rights he should be able to walk away. If he knew that it wasn't his child and decided that he wanted to accept the responsibility of being the childs parent it gets a bit stickier.
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Texashiker is the single biggest anti-gay poster I have ever seen on any forum. The bad part about it is that he tries to "engage in debate" about it and ends up getting absolutely thrashed.. So he then just asks the same questions over and over (completely ignoring those who answer it in full) and insists on repeatedly saying "why are you avoiding the tough questions?" I have seen him do this exact same thing in numerous threads.
He is a troll. He tries to hide behind debate to make it less obvious but it fails every time and he ends up talking in circles for multiple pages. Just know that he is a complete waste of life, ignore him and move on.
He is a troll. He tries to hide behind debate to make it less obvious but it fails every time and he ends up talking in circles for multiple pages. Just know that he is a complete waste of life, ignore him and move on.
MrPickins
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Abso-fuckin-loutly.
My biological father left and my "step"-father later adopted me and my 2 sisters after he married my mother. Who do you think is the real parent here?
My wife and I are in the middle of adopting a child......
We shouldn't have parental rights because we aren't the child's biological parents? Being an egg donor or sperm donor != parent.
The moment the child is adopted by a person(s), they are the parent(s). End of story......
If my wife and I divorced, she would still be my son's mother and I will be his father.
Atomic Playboy
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Because that's what adoption means; you take over parental responsibility for a child that you are not the biological parent of. I was adopted by lesbian mothers when I was born. I spent literally less than an hour with my biological mother and father. You seem to be implying that my biological parents are more my parents than the women who raised me because, despite literally never knowing them, they provided the DNA that made me. I think that's an asinine view to take. Parenting isn't providing DNA, it's raising a child. I have a slightly closer attachment to the people who raised me than the people who conceived me.
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Its not that at all.
If you know someone is not the parent, should they be listed as the parent at birth?
This is about parental rights and has nothing to do with being gay.
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dank69
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Negative.
Nope, as it applies to any parent.
Lets say a gay man wanted to adopt a child. Instead of going through the adoption, why not just be there at birth and have the mother list him as the father?
Lesbian couple wants a child, one gets pregnant, child is born, list the other woman as the father?
Maybe the concept of mother and father are outdated?
MrPickins
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Why are you inventing problems?
The way the adoption process works right now is just fine, for gays and straights.
zsdersw
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If it's about parenting rights, whether the parents/adults involved are gay or not, why is "gays" in the thread title at all?
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Why are you inventing problems?
The way the adoption process works right now is just fine, for gays and straights.
Did you read the linked article in the opening post?
Maybe the concept of a mother and father are outdated?
As with the linked article in the opening post, why couldn't the biological mother list her partner as the father? Or just list her as the other parent?
To affirm the rights of gays to adopt, why do we need a father and mother on the birth certificate? Why not just list both parents?
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etrigan420
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Ho.
Lee.
Crap.
There's "Stretching", and then there's "Going Full Retard".
Somehow, against the laws of nature, you have managed to "Stretch Full Retard."...along with your asshole, but that's not what this thread is about.
This thread is about waffles.
zsdersw
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What a hilariously stupid answer.
"To Kill A Mockingbird" is fine literature. This thread is, simply, not. Nelle Harper Lee was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom. You were not.
The bottom line is: you should change the thread title.
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Yes, but I'm still going to criticize you for it.
Because I'd rather criticize the incorrect thread title.
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Wow....I didn't think you were trolling before...but now I am 1000% positive that either you're being intentionally obtuse or there is an intruder in your home forcing you to say these silly things.
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The opening post links to an article about 2 gay women.
Even though I do not want this thread to be about gays, I thought it was important to use gay in the title. The article linked to in the opening post was meant to show how adoptive parents (and gays) can be discriminated against.
zsdersw wants to troll me so I poked him back.
I would like to keep this thread in line with the opening post. With all marriages being equal,,,.
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