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Gay student almost misses prom due to dress code

Stupid

There is no reason for this. This poor, crappy school has a good academic student and then turn their back on her like this due to the "dress code". From the article:

Geraldine Jackson, Love's mom, said she talked to Principal Patrick Taylor about the school's rule of no tuxes for girls.

"He said that the faculty that is working the prom told him they weren't going to work the prom if (girls) were going to wear tuxes," she said. "That's his exact words. 'Girls wear dresses and boys wear tuxes, and that's the way it is."


Thankfully the school board president and superintendent are going to take action to let her dress how she wants, and hopefully this can serve as a lesson for all of the kids and faculty at that school.
 
Just wait until it's a dude who wants to wear a prom dress.

OMG! How shocking would that be?

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OMG! How shocking would that be?

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Remember we're talking high school, with dress codes that typically go a lot stricter than general gender norms. Some gay fairy in a prom dress (and it will happen) would produce a political correctness clusterfuck and weeks of national media coverage. I'm saving up popcorn.

I'm also waiting for the discrimination lawsuit where a gay man demands the right to wear a women's business suit to work, and then claims his "gender identity" is the reason he wasn't being promoted.

Edit: Also, that pic is stupid. Women buy women's trousers, there is no such thing as a man's dress. *queue some smart-ass drawing obscure dress-like male garment from some random culture or TV show*


The use of the word "fairy" to describe a gay man is not acceptable.

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I'm also waiting for the discrimination lawsuit where a gay man demands the right to wear a women's business suit to work, and then claims his "gender identity" is the reason he wasn't being promoted.

Not sure what the person's sexual orientation has to do with it, but anyway.

Edit: Also, that pic is stupid. Women buy women's trousers, there is no such thing as a man's dress. *queue some smart-ass drawing obscure dress-like male garment from some random culture or TV show*

What do you suppose is the common conception of the definition of "womens' trousers"?
 
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Not sure what the person's sexual orientation has to do with it, but anyway.

Here's how it'll go:

1. Company refuses to promote fairy because fairy will alienate potential customers.
2. Fairy sues company for gender discrimination and demands the right to wear whatever he wants and be promoted based on fairness as opposed to ability.
3. Popcorn

We're already seeing this with some countries mandating that a certain percentage of board members be women, period. Doesn't matter if there's not enough competent women to fill the roles, we need gender equality at all costs! 🙄

What do you suppose is the common conception of the definition of "womens' trousers"?

Oh I don't know, maybe you should go to your local Macy's and try and buy your pants from the women's department; since you apparently think they're interchangeable. Here's a brief rundown to save you the trouble.

Women's trousers are designed to better fit women's features, usually have very few if any pockets as most women carry purses, often in brighter colors, often don't have flies, and are typically tighter fitting and geared toward showing off the legs and posterior.

Men's trousers are usually baggier, more muted in tone, often have cargo pockets (at least in casual settings) and have flies, deeper side pockets (as men don't carry purses), and focus more on function than form.

There's also a reason guys wearing skinny pants are often made fun of as "gay", because skinny pants are what women wear.
 
Here's how it'll go:

1. Company refuses to promote fairy because fairy will alienate potential customers.
2. Fairy sues company for gender discrimination and demands the right to wear whatever he wants and be promoted based on fairness as opposed to ability.
3. Popcorn

We're already seeing this with some countries mandating that a certain percentage of board members be women, period. Doesn't matter if there's not enough competent women to fill the roles, we need gender equality at all costs! 🙄



Oh I don't know, maybe you should go to your local Macy's and try and buy your pants from the women's department; since you apparently think they're interchangeable. Here's a brief rundown to save you the trouble.

Women's trousers are designed to better fit women's features, usually have very few if any pockets as most women carry purses, often in brighter colors, often don't have flies, and are typically tighter fitting and geared toward showing off the legs and posterior.

Men's trousers are usually baggier, more muted in tone, often have cargo pockets (at least in casual settings) and have flies, deeper side pockets (as men don't carry purses), and focus more on function than form.

There's also a reason guys wearing skinny pants are often made fun of as "gay", because skinny pants are what women wear.

Your masculinity clearly has all the sturdiness of a faberge egg.
 
Here's how it'll go:

1. Company refuses to promote fairy because fairy will alienate potential customers.
2. Fairy sues company for gender discrimination and demands the right to wear whatever he wants and be promoted based on fairness as opposed to ability.
3. Popcorn

I think you missed my point, homosexuality has little to do with what type of clothes one wears.

We're already seeing this with some countries mandating that a certain percentage of board members be women, period. Doesn't matter if there's not enough competent women to fill the roles, we need gender equality at all costs! 🙄
If this topic had a satnav, it would be asking you to make a U-turn where possible...

Oh I don't know, maybe you should go to your local Macy's and try and buy your pants from the women's department; since you apparently think they're interchangeable. Here's a brief rundown to save you the trouble.

Women's trousers are designed to better fit women's features, usually have very few if any pockets as most women carry purses, often in brighter colors, often don't have flies, and are typically tighter fitting and geared toward showing off the legs and posterior.

Men's trousers are usually baggier, more muted in tone, often have cargo pockets (at least in casual settings) and have flies, deeper side pockets (as men don't carry purses), and focus more on function than form.
Aside from your attempt at antagonism, what you're basically saying is that womens' trousers are designed with the feminine form in mind, and mens' trousers are designed with the male form in mind. So, coming back to where this line of inquiry originally came from, a man's dress is by definition one designed for the male form, don't you think?

There's also a reason guys wearing skinny pants are often made fun of as "gay", because skinny pants are what women wear.
Perhaps that's the case where you're from. I can't remember ever encountering a situation where someone was made fun of as "gay" because of the cut of their trousers (and I didn't exactly grow up in a gay-friendly area or era). Furthermore, my wife likes me wearing a skinnier cut of jeans, so getting a bit of action is more likely, I guess I'm terribly gay then!

Your masculinity clearly has all the sturdiness of a faberge egg.

My wife lol'd 😀
 
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Sad thing is society has historically been much more tolerant of women wearing a tux than men wearing a dress. So if we're now living in an age where even that is getting to be a big deal, we could be going backwards.
 
There's also a reason guys wearing skinny pants are often made fun of as "gay",

The reason is because the people making fun of them are ignorant, insecure idiots. If you still go around making fun of people because of what they are wearing maybe you should grow the fuck up.
 
Edit: Also, that pic is stupid. Women buy women's trousers, there is no such thing as a man's dress. *queue some smart-ass drawing obscure dress-like male garment from some random culture or TV show*

What do you suppose is the common conception of the definition of "womens' trousers"?

Relevent.

Trousers first enter recorded history in the 6th century BC, with the appearance of horse-riding Iranian peoples in Greek ethnography. At this time, not only the Persians, but also allied Eastern and Central Asian peoples such as the Bactrians, Armenians, Tigraxauda Scythians and Xiongnu Hunnu, are known to have worn them. Trousers are believed to have been worn by both sexes among these early users.

The ancient Greeks used the term "ἀναξυρίδες" (anaxyrides) for the trousers worn by Eastern nations and "σαράβαρα" (sarabara) for the loose trousers worn by the Scythians. However, they did not wear trousers since they thought them ridiculous, using the word "θύλακοι" (thulakoi), pl. of "θύλακος" (thulakos), "sack", as a slang term for the loose trousers of Persians and other orientals.

Republican Rome viewed the draped clothing of Greek and Minoan (Cretan) culture as an emblem of civilisation and disdained trousers as the mark of barbarians. As the Empire expanded beyond the Mediterranean basin, however, the greater warmth provided by trousers led to their adoption. Two types of trousers eventually saw widespread use in Rome: the Feminalia, which fit snugly and usually fell to knee or mid-calf length, and the Braccae, a loose-fitting trouser that was closed at the ankles. Both garments were adopted originally from the Celts of Europe, although later familiarity with the Persian Near East and the Teutons increased acceptance. Feminalia and Braccae both began use as military garments, spreading to civilian dress later, and were eventually made in a variety of materials including leather, wool, cotton and silk.

Braccae is the Latin term for trousers, and in this context is today used to refer to a style of trousers, made from wool. The Romans encountered this style of clothing among peoples whom they called Galli (Gauls). This is often assumed to mean speakers of Celtic languages, though many scholars (including John Collis, Peter S Wells)doubt that the term Galli was primarily based on linguistic affiliation. Braccae were typically made with a drawstring, and tended to reach from just above the knee at the shortest, to the ankles at the longest, with length generally increasing in tribes living further north.

When the Romans first encountered the braccae, they thought them to be effeminate (Roman men typically wore tunics, which were one-piece outfits terminating at or above the knee).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braccae
 
Aside from your attempt at antagonism, what you're basically saying is that womens' trousers are designed with the feminine form in mind, and mens' trousers are designed with the male form in mind. So, coming back to where this line of inquiry originally came from, a man's dress is by definition one designed for the male form, don't you think?

Hence the term dress code. However male dress is not actually "dress" as the word is commonly used for.

Noun

dress (countable and uncountable, plural dresses)

  1. (countable) An item of clothing (usually worn by a woman or young girl) which both covers the upper part of the body and includes skirts below the waist.  [quotations ▼] Amy and Mary looked very pretty in their dresses.
  2. (uncountable) Apparel, clothing.  [quotations ▼] He came to the party in formal dress.
  3. The system of furrows on the face of a millstone.
  4. A dress rehearsal.
 
Here's how it'll go:

1. Company refuses to promote fairy because fairy will alienate potential customers.
2. Fairy sues company for gender discrimination and demands the right to wear whatever he wants and be promoted based on fairness as opposed to ability.
3. Popcorn

We're already seeing this with some countries mandating that a certain percentage of board members be women, period. Doesn't matter if there's not enough competent women to fill the roles, we need gender equality at all costs! 🙄



Oh I don't know, maybe you should go to your local Macy's and try and buy your pants from the women's department; since you apparently think they're interchangeable. Here's a brief rundown to save you the trouble.

Women's trousers are designed to better fit women's features, usually have very few if any pockets as most women carry purses, often in brighter colors, often don't have flies, and are typically tighter fitting and geared toward showing off the legs and posterior.

Men's trousers are usually baggier, more muted in tone, often have cargo pockets (at least in casual settings) and have flies, deeper side pockets (as men don't carry purses), and focus more on function than form.

There's also a reason guys wearing skinny pants are often made fun of as "gay", because skinny pants are what women wear.

Skinny jeans are pretty fashionable in large parts of America today. In NYC they are everywhere.

Also, you realize that calling someone a 'fairy' is a anti-gay slur, right?
 

Phew, thank god I've got someone from Minnesota to correct me on what the culture was like in the area that I grew up in! 🙄

Hence the term dress code. However male dress is not actually "dress" as the word is commonly used for.

I think you missed the context for those comments, it had nothing to do with dress code.

The context being the pic I posted and IrishScott's response:
Edit: Also, that pic is stupid. Women buy women's trousers, there is no such thing as a man's dress. *queue some smart-ass drawing obscure dress-like male garment from some random culture or TV show*
 
Also, you realize that calling someone a 'fairy' is a anti-gay slur, right?

Funny I have not actually heard this slur or least it is not of significance for me to remember. Not that I am debating whether or not it is a slur just funny I have not heard much of the word.
 
Skinny jeans are pretty fashionable in large parts of America today. In NYC they are everywhere.

Also, you realize that calling someone a 'fairy' is a anti-gay slur, right?

Any word can be used derogatorily or to insult. Just ask the moderators here about my infraction for using a word I made up but never even used on anyone, rather just mentioned this is the word I use for this purpose. So it doesn't matter if the word is 'fairy' or ice 'cream cone'. So imo, he should also receive an infraction but probably won't.
 
Phew, thank god I've got someone from Minnesota to correct me on what the culture was like in the area that I grew up in!

Let me make the joke more understandable.

Perhaps that's the case where you're from. I can't remember ever encountering a situation where someone was made fun of as "gay" because of the cut of their trousers (and I didn't exactly grow up in a gay-friendly area or era).

And also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHXKpF11njU

Edit: Well looks like I might have accidently made it seem like I think kilts are feminine but I do not think so. Kilts actually lend themselves well to size and stoutness. Naturally thin clothing is conflicting with size and stoutness. Was going to post a picture of Sigmarsson in a kilt but thought that your neighbors wearing male skirt might be more relevant.
 
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Wife's $0.02:

The whole point of any prom-like occasion is for kids to have a good time. That tends to involve them feeling good about themselves, and feeling good about what they are wearing. In this situation, you have a young woman feeling good in a tux, and people basically respond with "But I like it better when you wear things that enhance your boobs and bum! You must wear a dress!".

That is not a valid reason in any way shape or form for not allowing her to wear a tux - in a way, it is actually very creepy for some older guys on a school board to make a judgement based on "we like our girls to wear more *shapely* clothes".

Let's face it, what difference is it going to make if she wears a tux? If we are going to accept arbitrary "I'd like you to wear something else because of my personal preferences" reasons, then they may as well stipulate the colour of her dress, or whether or not she can have sequins. It really is that silly.
 
I think you missed the context for those comments, it had nothing to do with dress code.

Well in this case male clothing that is designed for attention or fanciful artwork might be considered male dresses. But you are not going to start converting formalized dresses for men to wear.
 
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The whole point of any prom-like occasion is for kids to have a good time. That tends to involve them feeling good about themselves, and feeling good about what they are wearing. In this situation, you have a young woman feeling good in a tux, and people basically respond with "But I like it better when you wear things that enhance your boobs and bum! You must wear a dress!".

That is not a valid reason in any way shape or form for not allowing her to wear a tux - in a way, it is actually very creepy for some older guys on a school board to make a judgement based on "we like our girls to wear more *shapely* clothes".

Let's face it, what difference is it going to make if she wears a tux? If we are going to accept arbitrary "I'd like you to wear something else because of my personal preferences" reasons, then they may as well stipulate the colour of her dress, or whether or not she can have sequins. It really is that silly.

And quite frankly I agree with this. Who gives a fucking shit.
 
@ norseamd

I think I see what you're getting at now, initially I wondered what the heck you were on about! After that, what the Scots do is their business (ie. not really "British" dress sense), and you'd have to be mad to make fun of that guy in the kilt 🙂
 
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and you'd have to be mad to make fun of that guy in the kilt

He is actually Icelandic. Yah originally I had written where I put the video link that "and also I am going to bring up the point of thin clothing vs kilts for masculinity." or something like that shit.

English paper writing skill is not my forte exactly and I never did like English classes.
 
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