Gay Is Not OK

[cybrsage]

It is true that being-anti-homosexual is an easy target for Christians. It also assists in distracting one from one's own sins. I am not quite sure why a Christian would expect a non-Christian to follow what God says if they do not believe in God. It is backwards.

I say all this as a Christian. I also say that homosexuality is a sin and is wrong, but i don't expect someone who is not a Christian to obey the teachings of the Bible, and so while I may express my belief in a forum such as this, I would not try to convince others that this is wrong b/c even if you ended up believing it was wrong, you'd still go to hell. It does no good to try to change the culture in a superficial way.

Well said.

 

[Jaskalas]

So much for Christianity being about tolerance and loving the sinner, as Jesus taught.

They've been failing at that since day 1.

 

[dmcowen674]

Fully expect this out of the Religious Republican nuts out of Iowa

 

[zsdersw]

Live and let live.

It's a simple concept that is almost always incredibly complicated in its application... because we're always preaching to each other about one thing or another.

I don't approve of all the things they say and do, either... but neither their approval of my actions nor my approval of theirs are required.

 

[Throckmorton]

What if it said "Polygamy is not OK"?

 

[cybrsage]

What if it said "Polygamy is not OK"?

Then you would have the full support of the gay community, which only wants to grant rights to their specific group of people while not caring that other groups are actively jailed for wanting an alternative style of marriage.

 

[zsdersw]

Then you would have the full support of a tiny minority of the gay community, which only wants to grant rights to their specific group of people while not caring that other groups are actively jailed for wanting an alternative style of marriage.

FTFY.

 

[hal2kilo]

I feel like now would be a good time to remind people of the great words of wisdom, "Judge not, lest ye be judged."

And Blessed are the cheesemakers.

 

[cybrsage]

FTFY.

How many times have you heard the message "Polygamist rights for all" spoken by any of the gay community?

I have never heard it.

EDIT: It is either because the gay community only cares about its own rights while ignoring those of others (which is a normal human trait, btw) or they are afraid they will lose way too much support if they support the rights of other alternative lifestyle groups.

 

[IBMer]

How many times have you heard the message "Polygamist rights for all" spoken by any of the gay community?

I have never heard it.

EDIT: It is either because the gay community only cares about its own rights while ignoring those of others (which is a normal human trait, btw) or they are afraid they will lose way too much support if they support the rights of other alternative lifestyle groups.

Or its much easier to get a message across when its concise and to the point?

 

[BoberFett]

The church down the road from me posted the name of this weeks message on their sign out front. It's called "Stupid hurts." I laughed at them, not with them.

 

[zsdersw]

How many times have you heard the message "Polygamist rights for all" spoken by any of the gay community?

I have never heard it.

EDIT: It is either because the gay community only cares about its own rights while ignoring those of others (which is a normal human trait, btw) or they are afraid they will lose way too much support if they support the rights of other alternative lifestyle groups.

Polygamists can (and should) be their own advocates, if they desire. The gay community doesn't oppose polygamists, though.

 

[actuarial]

How many times have you heard the message "Polygamist rights for all" spoken by any of the gay community?

Probably about as many times as you've heard the NRA talking about "the right to rocket launchers for all".

It's a false equivalency, and you know it.

 

[Theb]

So you judge by appearance or is it you make bad jokes . Your an appearance racist. thats sad

I'm an appearance segregationist. I think ugly people should have to use separate facilities.

 

[Nemesis 1]

What if it said "Polygamy is not OK"?

Well its a step up from gay marrage. Not sure were scripture says ya can't do .

 

[Ninjahedge]

Well I guess you would know as its likely you were kneeling alongside him doing the tenner section of the choir.Knowing what you have just exposed about this man .

Do you sing tenner or base?

 

[Ninjahedge]

BTW, usually the most vehement opposition to something viewed, or outlined in a religious code as sinful are their perpetrators.

This is not the case for every person, but it is a rather sobering reality with as many cases of homosexuality and pedophilia within the clergy.

But what would you expect for a religion that forbids sex to its ministers? You are going to get a bit of anti-osmotic pressure forcing the averages a bit askew.... unless the Religious spokespeople are actually wrong in the true % of gays in society......

 

[Throckmorton]

Probably about as many times as you've heard the NRA talking about "the right to rocket launchers for all".

It's a false equivalency, and you know it.

I don't think it's a false equivalency. Don't like plural marriage? Then don't have a plural marriage. All the gay marriage arguments apply equally.

That doesn't mean gays should be advocating for polygamist rights. That would only make it harder for them. But I think those who are pro-gay-marriage but actively oppose polygamy are hypocrites.

 

[xBiffx]

Sign's been changed to "Adultery is not OK".

 

[TechBoyJK]

So much for Christianity being about tolerance and loving the sinner, as Jesus taught.

It has instead become worthless.

I'm confused. You can still love the sinner, just not the sin.

Christianity views teh gay as teh sin, just like theft, etc. It's viewed as a choice/behavior, just like theft.

Would their be a backlash if the sign said 'stealing is not ok?' or what it currently says which is 'adultery is not ok?'

So the sign says 'theft is no ok' would you follow up and say they are bigots for not tolerating theft?

 

[davmat787]

Live and let live.

It's a simple concept that is almost always incredibly complicated in its application... because we're always preaching to each other about one thing or another.

I don't approve of all the things they say and do, either... but neither their approval of my actions nor my approval of theirs are required.

This. I don't have to 'approve' of an alternate lifestyle to mine to realize that person(s) have every right to happiness as I do, as long as my rights are not infringed, nor do I infringe upon theirs.

Besides, as a conservative (on many things, but not all) I don't feel it is my place, nor the .gov's, to decide what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes.

Damn the evangelicals for bastardizing conservatism, and the short sighted politicians who whored themselves out to the evangelicals for political expediency!

 

[actuarial]

I don't think it's a false equivalency. Don't like plural marriage? Then don't have a plural marriage. All the gay marriage arguments apply equally.

That doesn't mean gays should be advocating for polygamist rights. That would only make it harder for them. But I think those who are pro-gay-marriage but actively oppose polygamy are hypocrites.

The arguments do not apply equally.

For one, our legal system is not capable of handling a polygamist marriage currently. For example, what if one one member of the group wants to divorce? How do you divide up property and determine alimony. How are medical decisions made?

Second, benefit programs are not set up to handle multiple spouses. Other than an assumed increase in marriages, benefit programs (federal and private) are easy to transition to include gay marriage, because it's still a single spouse.

Finally, there is a distinct difference between a government dictating the number of parties that can participate in a marriage, and the qualities of the parties that can participate in the marriage.

Personally, I don't see any difference between allowing interracial marriage and allowing gay marriage. Or interfaith marriage. Or secular marriage. Do you think any people who are in favour of those but not polygamy are also hypocrites?

 

[actuarial]

I'm confused. You can still love the sinner, just not the sin.

Christianity views teh gay as teh sin, just like theft, etc. It's viewed as a choice/behavior, just like theft.

Would their be a backlash if the sign said 'stealing is not ok?' or what it currently says which is 'adultery is not ok?'

So the sign says 'theft is no ok' would you follow up and say they are bigots for not tolerating theft?

I'm going to have to disagree here. They didn't say 'acting on gay feelings' or 'having gay sex', they just said 'gay'.

Seems like they're attacking a person and not their actions to me.

 

[cybrsage]

Or its much easier to get a message across when its concise and to the point?

The point being "equal rights for us, but not for you"?

 

[cybrsage]

Probably about as many times as you've heard the NRA talking about "the right to rocket launchers for all".

It's a false equivalency, and you know it.

Dunno...I bet if you took a poll of NRA members you would find many support rocket launchers being owned by private citizens.