Maybe to those who are misinformed it's more interesting than expected. I'll bet if you start a poll those results would fall into most peoples expectations.
When AMD releases a new processor, it's expected it won't be as good as Intel's but you still see comparison reviews.
Its a new OS, of course they're going to do an article on it, and even if it's expected, people will want to know if the OS actually falls in line with what they thought.
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Skel
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Only for people looking to point at something to back up their claim that Windows8 sucks. For the people who don't care about Windows and those that love it, it's pretty much expected. I'd be shocked if there was a jump in performance. It's not like the game itself has changed.
screw windows 8. here is the problem is see. a bunch of you are saying oh if you dont want to upgrade then dont upgrade. But then you sit here and talk about using mods for the UI so it matches the functionality of windows 7. SOOOO???? you mod it to look and work like windows 7 and say you are ready for the windows 8 upgrade???? doesnt make sense why upgrade at all if you are going to revert it to work like windows 7 just save your money and dont buy windows 8 go get a new video card or something that will actually make a difference. It would be like oh let me buy this 2013 Honda civic but strip the interior features so that it matches the 2012 version. why buy the 2013 then???? It is obviously not what customers want if right out of the box we have to mod it for the functionality we would like. this is for Microsoft to realize that they are retarded and should make two versions of 8, windows 8 desktop edition and windows 8 tablet edition, holy shit a marketing miracle.
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Microsoft knows Windows 8 won't sell itself, that's why their marketing campaign is in full effect. I've never seen so many Windows commercials on TV before. Combine that with all the promotional stuff that's out there where you can get Windows 8 at low cost to no cost is another telling sign. I'll bet we see several Windows 8 commercials during Superbowl.
cmdrdredd
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No advantage yet many benchmarks show a slight improvement. What did you really think? You'd gain 10fps from an OS?
Here's my problem with what you said. Windows 8 has underlying improvements to the way things work behind the scenes. I mentioned merging files between folders as one. The reason I use Start8 is because I need the search bar to open things like cmd, msconfig, taskmgr more quickly. Speaking of task manager, it's more powerful than ever with startup history and impact on startup time for individual programs, app history (shows CPU time and network usage etc), information on individual user accounts (what apps they've run and the like). Gives you more info than ever in that little window.
We're not stripping anything out. I can actually use the WIndows 8 start menu with the click of a button and yes it does have its uses too. For example it places all my apps alphabetically which means adobe apps are there first. I don't pin these to the task bar or have a desktop icon for them...However I don't need to because they are first on the Win8 start menu.
If you hate Microsoft fine but there is no need for you to create a new account to complain about those of us who are using it but still like certain Windows 7 start menu functionality and familiarity. After a time I'm sure I wouldn't even need the WIndows 7 start menu and could use the Windows 8 one just fine. Until then I don't need any sudden shock when I don't understand how to use the OS 100% yet. So I can use the Windows 7 start menu until I familiarize myself with the Windows 8 one a bit more and understand the commands better. Take it a step at a time.
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GrumpyMan
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Yes, yes I did. 1 fps is not an improvement. And 2 of the games were much worse in W8 especially w/Geforce cards.
Have you made W8 act and look like W7 yet? If not keep trying.
The issue is that Windows 8 has many OS improvements, other than Metro, which people would like to take advantage of.
In your analogy...what if you loved the interior layout of your 2012 Civic, but the 2013 model came out with a new, more efficient, more powerful engine that took less gas to run. The interior looks God-awful though. If you had the chance to buy a 2013 for the engine, but strip out the 2012 interior and put it into the 2013, would you?
cmdrdredd
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Your posts are beyond stupid and make zero sense. Go thread crap somewhere else.
Knock it off, both of you
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I am saying if Microsoft did it right then it would already have the nice "interior" so i dont support the product as it is presented wrong for pc users. I have windows 7 and it runs great if i somehow get a free windows 8 or something im sure ill give it a go im just saying im not going to rush out and buy it.
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Even more reason for me not to get Windows 8
How about improved security,better battery life on laptops etc...faster boot and shutdown times,also Win8 can defrag trim on SSDs.
Hundreds of free software including games in Store,I could go on but I think you can see my point,oh its still early days for Win8 gaming,give it 6 months to a year and we'll see if performance has increased,after all Win7 has had 3 years to get mature drivers,Win8 has only been out officially for days .
no you dont. hit win key, type
it autosearches.....it doesnt get quicker than a single keystroke
Well i installed Fruitninja and Armed...and they both crash upon attempting to load.
Then when I go to event viewer....i get a snapin error and can't even look at the event viewer.....
Then when I go to event viewer....i get a snapin error and can't even look at the event viewer.....
It's a new OS, there's bound to be improvements, clearly those of us who aren't happy with W8 don't think those improvements warrant using a tablet OS in a desktop. I haven't noticed W8 being any faster than W7 in startup or shut down. Maybe if you're comparing a 2 year old W7 installation with a fresh W8 install.
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I disagree,got 3 PCs that had Win7 all upgraded to 8,one had a one week old fresh install of Win7 that was upgraded to 8,reason being HD had failed so I installed Win7 fresh a week ago on a new HD,boots up faster etc...since being upgraded.
The other is my gaming laptop ie Samsung that I purchased in late June this year,that also as above but I can also see better battery life,good if you are out and about and want some extra hours of gaming if you are not near any power sockets.
As you can see comparing it to my one week old Win7 and 5 month old laptop,both were upgrades as well keeping everything ie programs etc...
I've no issues using Win8 as desktop user or gamer,Metro you can ignore for the most part ie just pin your shortcuts to taskbar or desktop if you hate it that much or use Start8 or Shell,so don't see what the issue really is.
I spend most my time in desktop on Win8,and this is what some people say is a tablet OS,sure its a hybrid OS in many ways but if you are willing to customize it to your liking etc...like we all do with any operating systems including Win7 not an issue.
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My experience tells me otherwise. It's not any faster. Not to start up, not to shut down, not to launch apps. With that said, and with me preferring the actual desktop vs metro, and with 7s desktop looking a whole lot better, W8 is quite literally the most useless new "desktop" OS.
The point is someone is giving their review of the software here. Why do some people have a problem with that? If you don't like it, you don't have to read it.
Except that there are a number of people going around saying Windows 8 runs games faster still. I just saw it posted yesterday. So its less like trying to "back up their claim that Windows 8 sucks" and more like to correct a fallacy being spread around that Windows 8 runs everything faster.
A couple of gripes as a system admin for Windows 8:
Boot in safe mode now requires you run it from WITHIN windows first and then reboot. F8 on bootup does not work anymore. Supposedly Shift F8 works SOMETIMES, but I have never been able to get it to happen. Having system trouble and can't get in or need to keep rebooting in safe mode over and over trying to debug something? Tough. This change was utterly needless. It's not like the average user would be accidentally hitting F8 and getting confused.
User account control is split between control panel and ModernUI. Make new users? Kicks you over to Modern. Edit user settings? Kicks you over to Control Panel. This software feels so unfinished.
Dozens and dozens of users, including a friend who I just installed Windows 8 for are having a problem where no Modern apps run at all after an upgrade from Windows 7. This was happening in the developer preview and its still happening now. They have about 7 or 8 possible "solutions" for this, none of them work. The suggestion they always end up giving people? "Refresh" your system, which means wipe out all your installed programs, keep your data, and start over. Yes, that sounds like a viable upgrade to me. Worse yet, some people get the problem showing up weeks AFTER the initial install, so its not isolated to just recent upgraders.
Here's a few out of dozens of threads about this problem that renders Modern UI apps useless:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...crashing/a65b0e5a-b807-46a4-acec-ccc808821dd1
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-my-metro-ui-apps-are-working-besides/1fc72bc
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...29a-bd7d51657b917-7849-49cc-8738-2c302af5485b
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...on-start/969f46ce-a6f5-43f1-9ef2-5205c487aa45
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...-working/c32a88c6-4039-4e11-ae4b-b915c3d51884
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See blanket statements like this dont prove anything.
Better security? How exactly? Windows 7 will receive updates including security patches for years to come, what does 8 do that 7 cant or wont?
Better battery life? What does it actually do to achieve this and how much better is it?
Faster boot and shutdown times? Yeah i dont buy that either. Windows 8 UEFI vs Windows 7 UEFI will be very similar. The only reason they say its faster is because windows 8 OEMs must use UEFI which is faster than BIOS which was an option for OEMs with windows 7.
All these "under the hood" changes people cite are bollocks, there no notable performance difference between windows 7 and windows 8, the only difference is 8 ships with a godawful UI and lacks DVD support/WMC out of the box. Ill bet its the same people who think their web browsing is faster upgrading from a recent AMD chip to an intel chip
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See blanket statements like this dont prove anything.
Better security? How exactly? Windows 7 will receive updates including security patches for years to come, what does 8 do that 7 cant or wont?
Better battery life? What does it actually do to achieve this and how much better is it?
Faster boot and shutdown times? Yeah i dont buy that either. Windows 8 UEFI vs Windows 7 UEFI will be very similar. The only reason they say its faster is because windows 8 OEMs must use UEFI which is faster than BIOS which was an option for OEMs with windows 7.
All these "under the hood" changes people cite are bollocks, there no notable performance difference between windows 7 and windows 8, the only difference is 8 ships with a godawful UI and lacks DVD support/WMC out of the box. Ill bet its the same people who think their web browsing is faster upgrading from a recent AMD chip to an intel chip
Info on improved security here ,its not a blanket statement ,http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/what-windows-8-has-done-to-improve-security/8269 ,obviously you made your mind up without looking at the facts,battery life is important for tablet,netbook,laptop users, http://www.tomsguide.com/us/win8-speed-performance,review-1760-3.html .
WMC is free with Win8 Pro until Jan via email so thats not an issue.
As for faster startup etc.. my desktop PC and Samsung laptop say otherwise,guess I installed some steroids to make it perform better
Try reading reviews and info about Win8 on the web or using Win8 Pro for awhile rather then condemning it without reason.
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I'm still trying out the RP before I buy the upgrade for 15 bux. I got around to installing it on my phenom and cool n quiet throttling works perfect, on my c2d dell speedstep won't work no matter what settings I change.
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that article lists 3 security "enhancements"Info on improved security here ,its not a blanket statement ,http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/security/what-windows-8-has-done-to-improve-security/8269 ,obviously you made your mind up without looking at the facts,battery life is important for tablet,netbook,laptop users, http://www.tomsguide.com/us/win8-speed-performance,review-1760-3.html .
WMC is free with Win8 Pro until Jan via email so thats not an issue.
As for faster startup etc.. my desktop PC and Samsung laptop say otherwise,guess I installed some steroids to make it perform better
Try reading reviews and info about Win8 on the web or using Win8 Pro for awhile rather then condemning it without reason.
1> secure boot - rootkit prevention... and it locks people out of installing any other operating system in ARM based chips. Is this worth an upgrade?? How many rootkit infections have you had lately?? Do you enjoy being LOCKED out of installing another OS?? ...well if you find yourself helplessly plagued by rootkits then this must be a godsend... the rationalist thinking types realize this is merely a veiled justifcation for permanently locking out non microsoft OS's on ARM based machines.
2> An internet explorer feature called "Smartscreen".
umm, i do not use the fail known as IE and nor do the vast majority of PC users... This is NOT worth an upgrade.
3> METRO APPS ARE MORE SECURE... that's #3.
will not be using metro Apps... ZERO benefit
so there are the IMPRESSIVE "under the hood" security enhancements that i keep hearing about??? WOW, Color me nonplussed.
thanks for your link... although now i'm wondering if you bothered to read it
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Smartscreen is now system wide. Meaning its no longer just for IE.
Some distro's of Linux are/will be OS verifiable loader. That means you will beable to dual boot Linux and W8 on UEFI.
You also have the option to disable secure boot...at least I do and I assume most all will or currently can.
Desktop apps are also more secure than they are in W7..read list below.
Here is a more simple list of under hood changes, not really complete and you can google if you don't know what they are. Knowledge allows one to have a more rational perception and stops the spreading of FUD.
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