GASP: I decided that I like a GM car in current production

[acemcmac]

I like the CTS and if it can be had in a 6-speed with a reasonable feature set for under 30k, I'd call that a good deal :beer:

Any thoughts?

Edit: What Japanese RWD cars other than the G35 compete with this? BMW's, MB's or any Euro RWD's need not apply.

 

[IAteYourMother]

mileage?

 

[sniperruff]

it's a good car. a bit under-powered compared to the japanese's offering.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
mileage?

With the 6-speed, I'd imagine it would average better than 20. 20 is the magic number for me.

 

[DukeN]

Maxima FTW!

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: sniperruff
it's a good car. a bit under-powered compared to the japanese's offering.

RWD? The G35 is more expensive feature to feature and I'd prefer the 350z anyway which isn't even in this class. I may ignorant in the luxury market but I really dont know many japanese RWD luxury cars in this price range...

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: DukeN
Maxima FTW!

Not rear wheel drive. Maxima = teh suck.

 

[SampSon]

EPA estimates peg it at 18/27 mpg. Seems decent to me.
Though I would go with a g35 for the money.

 

[nateholtrop]

CTS-V look for used ones. You'll fall in love. Doubt you'll find them for under 30k though. Good luck.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: nateholtrop
CTS-V look for used ones. You'll fall in love. Doubt you'll find them for under 30k though. Good luck.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-05-...11QQcategoryZ43903QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$35k....

I wouldn't kick one of them out of the garage.

 

[Ilikepiedoyou]

yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

 

[Tylanner]

who doesnt like the vette its the most ridiculous car in history

and a legit dream car thanks to thoughtfull american engineers lololololOLOLOLOL!

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

I drive a Ford and I've seen Dodge Caravan's need new transmissions with less than 80k miles. Is this scarcasam with which you speak or do you really suggest that one could count on a CTS to be reliable?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

I drive a Ford and I've seen Dodge Caravan's need new transmissions with less than 80k miles. Is this scarcasam with which you speak or do you really suggest that one could count on a CTS to be reliable?

he did say halfway.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

I drive a Ford and I've seen Dodge Caravan's need new transmissions with less than 80k miles. Is this scarcasam with which you speak or do you really suggest that one could count on a CTS to be reliable?

he did say halfway.

:laugh:

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

I drive a Ford and I've seen Dodge Caravan's need new transmissions with less than 80k miles. Is this scarcasam with which you speak or do you really suggest that one could count on a CTS to be reliable?

I'm actually being serious. GM can build a decent slushbox. I'm not sure on the engines in the CTS's though. It doesn't have much history behind it, so no real good data to say one way or the other.

 

[MikeMike]

you could look at the GTO, which will crush the regular CTS in terms of performance, and their interiors are amazing.

 

[BobDaMenkey]

Lexus IS 250 RWD Manual is what comes to mind for a comparable japanese car. Base price is the same too, but you have to chose an option on the wheels to put it up to 31k after tax and delivery ect, which wouldn't change much against the caddy.

204hp, 184ft/lbs of torque, and 20/29mpg city/highway.

I'd rather have a Lexus anyway Though I'd rather have an IS300, which they stoped making.

 

[Ilikepiedoyou]

both I drove were stick. I wouldn't get it in auto that would be a waste for a car like this. The regular was 5 speed and the ctsv was a 6 speed. Both are stock very short sticks and actually feel very precise when switching into gear. The clutch engagement point is right where you would expect it and it has a little bit of give but its still lets you know that this is a performance oriented machine and you have to pay attention and be involved. They feel better than their jap counterparts but this is prob related to the fact that it is a traditional rear drive layout for a car, so the stick is mostly likely directly connected to the tranny unlike say the tsx which has a front wheel drive layout and you aren't directly shifting the tranny you are moving a long linkage back and forth that travels forward to the tranny. The steering wheel is great, it has the thumb pads in the perfect position. Also both cars felt exceptionally balanced. Both have their motors shooved way back in the engine bays which probably really helps the wieght distribition.

 

[BobDaMenkey]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: Ilikepiedoyou
yea the regular ones feel so good. They have such a tight chassis and and are an extreme departure from all the thoughts that a typical cadilac would condure up in your mind. I drove the ctsv at the gm show in motion last year and it is an amazing car. You can't go wrong with the either of them

I assume you drove the AT? How is the transmission in it? Domestic automatic transmissions have never inspired much confidence in me. Talk to me brotha

If there's anything GM does right, it's build a halfway decent transmission.

I drive a Ford and I've seen Dodge Caravan's need new transmissions with less than 80k miles. Is this scarcasam with which you speak or do you really suggest that one could count on a CTS to be reliable?

I'm actually being serious. GM can build a decent slushbox. I'm not sure on the engines in the CTS's though. It doesn't have much history behind it, so no real good data to say one way or the other.

They didn't for the ones that went into BMWs for autos. I've heard a ton of horror stories about the autos in the e36 3 series (92-99). I don't know if they're still sourcing GM slushes, but I doubt it with the steptronic auto they've been pushing hard in recent years, and Getgrag made bulletproof(well, damn good) manuals.

 

[Ilikepiedoyou]

ohh and what every you decide to buy, try the ctsv that car is amazing

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
you could look at the GTO, which will crush the regular CTS in terms of performance, and their interiors are amazing.

I think it looks like a Dodge Intrepid on crack cocaine. I much more strongly prefer the WS6 even though the interior wasn't fit for the skidmarks of the nastiest girl who could have gotten fvcked in that back seat.

The two cars I admire most on the market are the new Miata and the Subaru Legacy GT. The German cars under 80k never really appealed to me, especially in light of their maintanance issues.

The only reason I posted this thread was because I am fascinated that I found a luxury car I like that I could afford

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: BobDaMenkey
Lexus IS 250 RWD Manual is what comes to mind for a comparable japanese car. Base price is the same too, but you have to chose an option on the wheels to put it up to 31k after tax and delivery ect, which wouldn't change much against the caddy.

204hp, 184ft/lbs of torque, and 20/29mpg city/highway.

I'd rather have a Lexus anyway Though I'd rather have an IS300, which they stoped making.

I'll have to look into it