[GamersNexus] GTX 1030 DDR4 "A Disgrace of a Graphics Card"

[whm1974]

The price is rather high for what it is. How much would it cost NV to have 4GB vs 2GB of DDR4?


Or at least add more than 2GB. Maybe a 4GB variant to support 4k streaming? Idk. This card isn't for me.

That would make good sense to do since streaming 4K has become more popular.

 

[killster1]

these cards beat the hell out of onboard still! and multi monitor is cool. maybe a 30$ pricetag like the ole days be nice.

 

[William Gaatjes]

these cards beat the hell out of onboard still! and multi monitor is cool. maybe a 30$ pricetag like the ole days be nice.

I wonder if that is the case compared to the current AMD APU line up like the R5 2400G and 2200G.
And APU's are depending on the motherboard connectors also multi monitor.

 

[crisium]

No need to wonder, it's in the review from the OP. AMD's new APUs are much faster than the GT 1030 DDR4.

 

[jpiniero]

That would make good sense to do since streaming 4K has become more popular.

The 2 GB limit is artificial I imagine.

 

[Guru]

The 2 GB limit is artificial I imagine.

It's a precaution. It could probably work with 1GB, but a lot of people will complain if their 1GB vram is not fully enough and diss the 4k service. So companies just avoid any potential issues and put higher recommendations and limitations.

 

[coercitiv]

The 2 GB limit is artificial I imagine.

It's a precaution. It could probably work with 1GB, but a lot of people will complain if their 1GB vram is not fully enough and diss the 4k service.

Isn't the limit for Netflix 4k set at 3GB of vram? Has that changed recently?

As a side note, the Chromecast Ultra has 512MB of RAM.

 

[NTMBK]

these cards beat the hell out of onboard still! and multi monitor is cool. maybe a 30$ pricetag like the ole days be nice.

Nah, modern AMD integrated graphics beats this. The crippled 1030 has only got a 64-bit wide DDR4 bus, which is the equivalent of single channel memory. And the 1030 only has 512KB of L2 cache.

 

[LTC8K6]

HD630 with fast dual channel ram is probably keeping up...

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...cards-what-about-a-polaris-12-w-ddr4.2536807/

Seems some people even wanted DDR4 on cards.

I doubt they wanted the cards to have slow, single channel DDR4.

 

[DeathReborn]

HD630 with fast dual channel ram is probably keeping up...

I doubt they wanted the cards to have slow, single channel DDR4.

Even at 256bit it's a real downgrade in bandwidth, something Polaris would have issue with.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

It's quiet, uses no power, runs cool and it's the only modern card that offers a single slot low profile version, perfect for my OptiPlex 5050.

If you don't mind a trip over on the more professional side of the fence, there are both the Quadro P400/P600 and Radeon Pro WX2100/3100 available.

But they cost quite a bit more. On the flip side, they offer 3 to 4 DisplayPort 1.4 outputs for multi monitor setups.

 

[PeterScott]

Hardware unboxed rips into as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOnkpIfTEQs

Stay sleazy NVidia.

 

[whm1974]

If I was running a computer company, I would go out of my way to avoid putting this crippled card in my rigs. What in Hell was Nvidia thinking?

 

[SPBHM]

yes it's going to be a mess for stores, they will buy this thing because the name is the same and it's slightly cheaper and.... how hard can it be for Nvidia to call it GT 1020?

 

[NTMBK]

Wow.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1658-geforce-gt-1030-abomination/

EDIT: This bit from the end of the article is pretty damning.

This actually lead me to reach out and ask a few local retailers what their take was on the DDR4 version of GT 1030, and do they ever see any kind of backlash from this sort of thing.

For obvious reasons I won’t name any of the retailers' names, but I can tell you what they said, and they all said pretty much the same thing: First, the big issue for retailers is that they often don’t know exact what models they are buying, and I know that sounds silly but it makes sense. The people in these purchasing roles often aren’t computer geeks, they pay attention to product codes and pricing, not what type of memory a graphics card uses. They will see GT 1030 stock is low and they’ll order more GT 1030 stock, it’s not like cheap brand has on GT 1030, even before the DDR4 mess most brands offered 4 or 5 models.

So many of them unknowingly bought up DDR4 GT 1030 stock, assuming it was just the same GDDR5 GT 1030 stock they’d been buying for the past year. The specs are often supplied and then just copy and pasted to the website and this isn’t unusual.

Almost all of them admitted that if it wasn’t for the controversy around the spec change they would have been none the wiser, and it would have just been pure chance if they happened to notice the change at all. They also said unless the model name is changed or there is some obvious difference this stuff often goes under the radar.

This then causes massive issues for these retailers as they are unknowingly selling their customers inferior products and that’s not something they want to do for obvious reasons. So Nvidia aren’t just hurting their customers, but also potentially hurting the retailers and their own board partners, this is a bad look for all involved and needs some kind of fix soon.

So NVidia didn't just screw the gamers, they screwed their retail partners.

 

[LTC8K6]

I don't like the idea of this card either, but I have to say that a retailer who doesn't know what he's ordering seems unlikely, or is asking for trouble.

Lots of video card part numbers are very similar.

 

[PeterScott]

I don't like the idea of this card either, but I have to say that a retailer who doesn't know what he's ordering seems unlikely, or is asking for trouble.

Lots of video card part numbers are very similar.

Large tech retailers might be dealing with many thousands of products. They don't all get individual attention.

A lot of tech retailers, are hooked into the database of their distributors, and munging the data and presenting it for a range of secondary products without much manual intervention.

I bet you can probably end up with this product from every large retailer with online presence.

 

[LTC8K6]

Large tech retailers might be dealing with many thousands of products. They don't all get individual attention.

A lot of tech retailers, are hooked into the database of their distributors, and munging the data and presenting it for a range of secondary products without much manual intervention.

I bet you can probably end up with this product from every large retailer with online presence.

I recall checking Newegg and Amazon earlier, and I don't believe I had any trouble with the part numbers as far as knowing the card was DDR4.

 

[PeterScott]

I recall checking Newegg and Amazon earlier, and I don't believe I had any trouble with the part numbers as far as knowing the card was DDR4.

You seem to be missing the point. That you can take the time with 20:20 hindsight, already knowing about the the controversy, to discern the DDR4 parts is irrelevant, to the situation of dealing with massive inventories and direct connections into the distributor databases.

Inventory at large retailers doesn't receive that kind of human, individual attention on each and every part looking for the unexpected. They are often just hooked into distributor inventory systems.

I read that Newegg originally had no indication on their web page, that these parts had DDR4 memory, until they started getting complaints. Staff at newegg were likely oblivious.

This is all 100% NVida sleaze tactics again.

 

[LTC8K6]

Nvidia probably doesn't have much to do with the part numbers or stock codes assigned to video cards by the manufacturers/distributors, though.

If anyone was trying to get one over on the retailers, wouldn't it be the card manufacturer or distributor?

What prevents a retailer from returning cards it doesn't want, or ordered by mistake?

 

[crisium]

Return shipping and restocking fees may apply. Also the downtime where you have no product on the shelf hurts.

And that's if they even notice they are supplying their customers a vastly inferior product, given the very subtle differences with the full names.

Look at the BF1 chart. That's basically the difference between a GTX 1060 and a GTX 1080 Ti. This cannot be justified when the name GT 1020 is fully ready and available.

 

[LTC8K6]

I think I'll buy 5 of these wondrous cards:

https://www.evga.com/Products/App_Themes/Images/ProductOverview/02G-P4-6232.jpg

 

[DeathReborn]

Wow.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1658-geforce-gt-1030-abomination/

EDIT: This bit from the end of the article is pretty damning.



So NVidia didn't just screw the gamers, they screwed their retail partners.

I snipped the image for brevity but expecting a low end card to be a 1080p (even at low settings) gaming card is pretty poor selective posting. At 720p the only title in that review that doesn't hit 30fps at 720p is Far Cry 5, not exactly aimed at the low end that game. I agree the card is bad but then so are pretty much all low end cards to a techie. Comparing the Gigabyte cards that review linked to on Amazon it isn't in the big title but is in the product code and description so the buyer has been informed of the cards memory type before purchase.

As for the last bit, I have done a lot of IT procurement in my career and I have never blindly ordered anything. Nvidia has NO responsibility for shoddy procurement by retailers/organisations, even though GeForce is not among my procurement (Quadro, Tesla, Xeon etc are) remit I checked and could easily identify the DDR4 codes from the GDDR5 ones. You can say 20/20 hindsight etc but I always make sure I only get what is required as going over budget could be extremely expensive to me and my associates. If a retailer is that shoddy at procuring products for sale they probably don't deserve to be in business, they certainly don't deserve mine.

 

[PeterScott]

I think I'll buy 5 of these wondrous cards:

https://www.evga.com/Products/App_Themes/Images/ProductOverview/02G-P4-6232.jpg

That must be Intel integrated, because AMDs kicks it to the curb. I'd actually like to see a real Intel IGP comparison, as I wonder if current Intel IGPs are closer than that graphic suggest.

Judging by this comparison of the Intel HD 630 IGP to the regular GT 1030, the IGP looks about as far behind the GT1030, as the GT1030 DDR4 is. Which should make 1030 DDR4 and HD 630 IGP something of a contest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0MeI0sQfy4

I have to wonder why any business with integrity would be involved with this product at all. It's such garbage, that no customer would buy it if properly informed, so it really only sells via some level of deception.

I wonder if board partners are required by contract to build every variation that NVidia churns out.

I'd give high marks to the board partner that said: "No thanks, we aren't building that variation because it's garbage we won't sully our name with". Note that definitely is not you EVGA.

 

[SlowBox]

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwrevie...1030-gddr5-benchmark-worst-graphics-card-2018

Wow, what a turd of a product. If it was called 1020 and priced a bit cheaper, I could see the value of it as a card solely to power monitors and decode video... but instead it's going to trick gamers looking for a 1030 into buying a card worse than integrated graphics.

Your not supposed to play games with the 1050 GTX . It's sole purpose is the 2D desktop and it does a great job at that. They put this junk on ready made system from costco or Fry's and what not. Its a POS or else it would be called 1080 hehhe.