#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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Blue_Max

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Laughing stocks for who, exactly? No, really: I want you to provide evidence that they're being ridiculed on a broad level, not just in some self-congratulating GG community. Last I checked, they've been far more influential than someone tweeting rape threats at Quinn or threatening a massacre at a Sarkeesian talk.

Since you went there, it's interesting how most, if not all, threats to Sarky and Pals have been proven false - yet the threats made to gamers by the SJW anti-GG crowd were proven true. REAL bomb threats, REAL even shutdowns, REAL bullying people out of conventions. Your anti-GG heroines are doing all the bad things you accuse gamergaters of... epic hypocrisy. :thumbsup:

Also, what to you is a "fake feminist?" Funny, all three of those examples I gave are pushing for better representation of women in a field they care about. Sure seems like real feminism to me. What do you think a real feminist does? Stay silent and accept an arbitrarily male-dominated status quo?
As usual, their (and your?) idea of pushing for "better representation" is to assume that someone is keeping them out in the first place (which they are NOT.) This justifies their aggression to elbow their way into the crowd and say "WE DEMAND THIS THAT AND MORE!"

A game with too many male characters? They muscle in females THEY approve of for their own benefit, not the game creator or the target audience.

A game creator with too many male staff? Well they WOULD have hired female programmers if there were more applicants with the skills and talent in game creation that would get them to their goal if more applied in the first place. (That gender studies diploma isn't going to make you a game programmer, nor is your C- grade in programming erased by your A+ in Race Relations 101.) The solution? Elbow their way in and demand more women on the team REGARDLESS of qualifications - representation beats skill.

Progressivism in a nutshell.
 

Blue_Max

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Buddy, you have no interest in facts. This whole "scandal" lacked for facts from the start, but it was all you needed to get your feelings validated and you were off to the races.

Right, calling ALL gamers "basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who deserve punishment for being sexist, racist misogynists!"

No reasons, no justification, no real-world examples, no proof; just "listen and believe"... or be punished by your SJW crowd.

If anything, I'd say that's what the majority of Gamergate is all about. Men & women sick of the false accusations and telling you guys to go fuck yourselves and your agendas.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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Right, calling ALL gamers "basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who deserve punishment for being sexist, racist misogynists!"

No reasons, no justification, no real-world examples, no proof; just "listen and believe"... or be punished by your SJW crowd.

If anything, I'd say that's what the majority of Gamergate is all about. Men & women sick of the false accusations and telling you guys to go fuck yourselves and your agendas.

Yeah. You're dumb. That explains your frustration level.
 

jman19

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Since this thread needs some real news to jazz the place up a bit how about some news about GG superhero, Milo Yeahimadumbass? It's known that his presidential candidate (Hair Furor) ran a phony university that bilked people out of their money and it now appears that Milo may be running a university scholarship scam that's bilking people out of their money. One of his own people blew the whistle on him for transferring collected money to a personal account. The poor misunderstood white supremacist says that he's just been overwhelmed by the popularity of his Whitey Scholarship and hasn't had the time to get his ducks in a row, which we are to believe that he is doing now. I note that he states that he has handed out $100,000 in scholarships so far, which would be forty scholarships at the amount he stated ($2,500). Anybody out there know of a scholarship recipient...lol!

Regardless, it's clear that the Milo the Unshaven Skinhead is getting in over his fuzzy skinhead (nothing new) regarding his scholarship for white dudes and applicable state and federal laws.

Hey now he's been very busy crying endlessly about how Twitter is mean to him. No time to actually give out those scholarships.
 

MongGrel

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Dec 3, 2013
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Right, calling ALL gamers "basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who deserve punishment for being sexist, racist misogynists!"

No reasons, no justification, no real-world examples, no proof; just "listen and believe"... or be punished by your SJW crowd.

If anything, I'd say that's what the majority of Gamergate is all about. Men & women sick of the false accusations and telling you guys to go fuck yourselves and your agendas.

If you are an adult and run around in public ranting about Gamergate like you do here, you probably come off as a lunatic.

There is nothing new going on that hasn't been for decades. Just people ranting about it, or trying to exploit a non issue in some way.

The way you post I was probably playing MMO's when you were in diapers, or you need a little reflection in your life.
 

renz20003

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Mar 14, 2011
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If you are an adult and run around in public ranting about Gamergate like you do here, you probably come off as a lunatic.

There is nothing new going on that hasn't been for decades. Just people ranting about it, or trying to exploit a non issue in some way.

The way you post I was probably playing MMO's when you were in diapers, or you need a little reflection in your life.

Most adults don't care about this crap because we have real world problems to worry about.

There is sexism everywhere not just in the gaming industry.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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So what's the bottomline? Have the SJW's been defeated or not? It's unclear what's exactly going on with this thread.

The subject is people hating other people.
And somehow being allowed the free expression thereof.
 

agent00f

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Jun 9, 2016
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Right, calling ALL gamers "basement-dwelling neckbeard losers who deserve punishment for being sexist, racist misogynists!"

No reasons, no justification, no real-world examples, no proof; just "listen and believe"... or be punished by your SJW crowd.

If anything, I'd say that's what the majority of Gamergate is all about. Men & women sick of the false accusations and telling you guys to go fuck yourselves and your agendas.

The gamergate crowd is like (or more than just "is like") the little kids on xbox who call people fags & proclaim coitus with your mother, but when you reply with something that actually stings they go crying, presumably to their mothers. I assure you this is real life.

In this kind of situation it's difficult to be sympathetic, even if those are real tears. And if the behavior persists, people will just resort to mocking it. That's simply how the world works.
 

Roflmouth

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Laughing stocks for who, exactly? No, really: I want you to provide evidence that they're being ridiculed on a broad level, not just in some self-congratulating GG community.

Anyone watching Sarkeesian humiliate herself on Colbert's show, Sarkeesian and Quinn embarrass themselves at the UN, or reading Wu's twitter for five minutes. I never said they were effective or very intelligent.

Last I checked, they've been far more influential than someone tweeting rape threats at Quinn or threatening a massacre at a Sarkeesian talk.

No one said they weren't more influential than those particular lunatics, but good job inventing arguments where none existed.

Also, what to you is a "fake feminist?" Funny, all three of those examples I gave are pushing for better representation of women in a field they care about.

They don't care about the field, they're just low-level con artists bilking money out of idiots.

Sure seems like real feminism to me. What do you think a real feminist does? Stay silent and accept an arbitrarily male-dominated status quo?

It isn't "arbitrarily male-dominated," liar, more men just choose to go into the field than women.
 

Roflmouth

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If you are an adult and run around in public ranting about Gamergate like you do here, you probably come off as a lunatic.

If you are an adult and run around in public ranting about female representation in video games like they do on the internet, you probably come off as a lunatic.

There is nothing new going on that hasn't been for decades. Just people ranting about it, or trying to exploit a non issue in some way.

Like female representation in video games.
 

Roflmouth

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Can't help but enjoy a little bit of schadenfreude. All the GamerGaters treating Milo as a saint are suddenly faced with the prospect of confronting the truth: that he's a consummate liar, and they've been hoodwinked.

Golly, that Anita Sarkeesian was sure a liar who hoodwinked her kickstarter backers, huh? :)
 

agent00f

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But you really do :)

I don't doubt that you believe so, but you believe a lot of nonsense.

The only reason I'm in this thread is some of the people here take to call me sjw elsewhere, presumably because it's the new "i love you", and it seemed fit to come to the source to offer some retorts as with the xbox kids.
 

Commodus

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Since you went there, it's interesting how most, if not all, threats to Sarky and Pals have been proven false - yet the threats made to gamers by the SJW anti-GG crowd were proven true. REAL bomb threats, REAL even shutdowns, REAL bullying people out of conventions. Your anti-GG heroines are doing all the bad things you accuse gamergaters of... epic hypocrisy. :thumbs:

At what point do you determine that a bomb threat or shutdown is real? When they find a bomb? When someone dies? They are real threats. Wu has had to move because people really did try to stalk her. Sarkeesian was threatened by someone who specifically vowed to recreate the anti-feminist Ecole Polytechnique massacre at a talk of hers. Even if these people never intended to follow through... that's something you could go to prison for.

And you've forgotten the inherent problem with internet harassment and threats: if hundreds of people are threatening to kill you or rape you, especially when you know that they're already doxxing you, is it really smart to assume that they're all just kidding? No, never. All it takes is one psychotic person to kill you.



As usual, their (and your?) idea of pushing for "better representation" is to assume that someone is keeping them out in the first place (which they are NOT.) This justifies their aggression to elbow their way into the crowd and say "WE DEMAND THIS THAT AND MORE!"

A game with too many male characters? They muscle in females THEY approve of for their own benefit, not the game creator or the target audience.

A game creator with too many male staff? Well they WOULD have hired female programmers if there were more applicants with the skills and talent in game creation that would get them to their goal if more applied in the first place. (That gender studies diploma isn't going to make you a game programmer, nor is your C- grade in programming erased by your A+ in Race Relations 101.) The solution? Elbow their way in and demand more women on the team REGARDLESS of qualifications - representation beats skill.

Progressivism in a nutshell.

Ah, here's the problem: you're confused. You assume that discrimination and poor representation requires active efforts to keep someone out. No, that's rarely the case. The whole point is that there's a subtle men-favour-men bias. Women are still The Other in the game industry, whether it's as employees or the target audience (see how many first-person shooters are designed as bro-fests), so there's this tendency for male developers to focus on what they know.

Also, please give me a verbatim quote showing that women have asked for more programmers regardless of qualifications. No excuses, no cop-outs.

Oh, that's right... there aren't any quote, because this is what you imagine these women believe, not what they actually believe. Of course women want anyone to get in with proper qualifications. It'd ultimately hurt their cause if sub-par programmers got in. And as for more applications... well, put your money where your mouth is: support efforts to improve computer programming and STEM education for women. When men claim that women aren't "naturally" inclined to program, tell them they're wrong. Will you do that?
 

Roflmouth

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Only in the GG alternate universe, that same place where the false claims from Eron and Milo are worshipped as divine truths.

No, I mean in reality, where Sarkeesian received twenty-six times her requested budget but has completely abandoned the project before finishing it.
 

Roflmouth

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At what point do you determine that a bomb threat or shutdown is real? When they find a bomb? When someone dies? They are real threats.

Yes, those bomb threats called on Gamergate meetups were real, though I doubt you meant to admit that :)

Wu has had to move because people really did try to stalk her.

Right, that's why she continued posting pictures of her "working" inside her house after "fleeing."

Sarkeesian was threatened by someone who specifically vowed to recreate the anti-feminist Ecole Polytechnique massacre at a talk of hers.

Police looked at that threat and determined it wasn't credible. But I suppose you know better than them, huh?

Even if these people never intended to follow through... that's something you could go to prison for. And you've forgotten the inherent problem with internet harassment and threats: if hundreds of people are threatening to kill you or rape you, especially when you know that they're already doxxing you, is it really smart to assume that they're all just kidding? No, never. All it takes is one psychotic person to kill you.

And while you're at it, pretend the only ones who oppose you are the ones sending you threats, and oh by the way, did you know I have a patreon account and poor, oppressed, white upper middle class me, who is the only person who gets threatened on the internet, needs more money, hint, hint?

Ah, here's the problem: you're confused. You assume that discrimination and poor representation requires active efforts to keep someone out. No, that's rarely the case. The whole point is that there's a subtle men-favour-men bias. Women are still The Other in the game industry, whether it's as employees or the target audience (see how many first-person shooters are designed as bro-fests), so there's this tendency for male developers to focus on what they know.

They focus on what the market wants, which doesn't align with the imbecilic political ideologies of social justice keyboard warriors, despite your worst nightmares.

Also, please give me a verbatim quote showing that women have asked for more programmers regardless of qualifications. No excuses, no cop-outs.

Oh, that's right... there aren't any quote, because this is what you imagine these women believe, not what they actually believe.

And you'd know what they really believe, being telepathic and all. BTW, your appeals for evidence are hilarious, since you refuse to provide any for your make-believe "they're all *secretly* discriminating against women" diatribes.

Of course women want anyone to get in with proper qualifications. It'd ultimately hurt their cause if sub-par programmers got in. And as for more applications... well, put your money where your mouth is: support efforts to improve computer programming and STEM education for women.

They exist. They're called "computer programming and STEM" classes. Women are free to take them, just like men are. But since effort and talent are anathema to non-contributing fake feminists, I can see how this would confuse you.
 

jackstar7

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I hope the injury heals up soon, roflmouth. I know it's hard when you feel less than your whole self.
 

werepossum

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Yes, those bomb threats called on Gamergate meetups were real, though I doubt you meant to admit that :)

Right, that's why she continued posting pictures of her "working" inside her house after "fleeing."
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Well, she was clearly fleeing in her mind.

Ought to be an iron clad rule - if you are demanding that "people like you" (whatever that might be) be hired in a particular field, and you yourself cannot be bothered to acquire the skills for that line of work, then you get ridiculed, period.
 

DrDoug

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[... blurted out response attacking the messenger before even reading the article, as usual...]

[EDIT] Misread... but that article only has a clickbait title. The fundraising only just started 5 months ago, but let's see what happens from it.

Read some more, Sparky. Milo the Hairy Skinhead is collecting money for an unregistered charity that is supposed to benefit poor oppressed white men by granting them scholarships. Not only that but there is no way for said poor white guys to apply for a scholarship and yet Milo claims to have already disbursed $100,000 to poor oppressed white guys. Milo said that he was going to have application links up on his site last spring, yet there are none. How did these poor oppressed white guys apply for the hundred grand Milo says that he has already handed out? Are they special friends and supporters whose loyalty he is rewarding with the money from others?

There are a whole lot of questions and Milo better be lawyered up when the state(s) and feds get involved. Yeahimadumbass is running afoul of some very serious state and federal laws that pertain to charities, scholarship grants, tax law and a whole lot more, yet he is blowing it off like it's nothing big. Now it comes out that he was caught transferring collected money into his personal account, and yet drooling idiots like you still rush to his defense.

If Milo is found to be defrauding people I hope his smug ass get smacked down, hard. He's earned it.
 
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