I think that's too kind, since it implies he's more than a simple tool which can easily be replaced by a trivial script.
Meghan54
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Well, UnderRoos has been working hard to gather up all his links for his latest rant. It's lotsa work, esp. since Yiannopoulos got banned from Twitter and UnderRoos lost his premade rant/link fests.
WelshBloke
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- Jan 12, 2005
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You don't seem to understand what's going on here.
This isnt a debate.
People are pointing and laughing at you for cheap entertainment because you're ranting at them over something they couldn't give a shit about.
If you want a debate you'll need to go somewhere where people care about both sides of your argument.
Ok, but let's be fair to him, too. He's obviously frustrated at these perceived slights, but that crowd tends to lack the tools to articulate their grievances, which is why milo was such a popular figurehead for putting together coherent sentences.
So as a public service akin to an internet public defender, I'll try my best to argue their side of the case. Most these guys aren't exactly rico suave, so there's a lot of pent up sexual resentment as they see women (at least the ones they desire) pass them over. Then they have to watch their social stock drop even more as women and even minorities get elevated by contemporary society. In their mind if we're all about equality now, where's the social movement to advance their cause? So some huckster comes along and tells them it's not their fault, that if they just band together and rant about feminists/sjw/cucks the world will recognize their importance again. Sounds like a pretty good deal, but of course they only get mocked instead.
In that sense they're basically victims of a scam, and as such don't deserve excessive ridicule or worse, since gullibility is a common character flaw rather than willful attempt at injury or anything which warrants a stronger response.
Frankly it's unfortunate they don't recognize that fat acceptance or such is in their self-interest, because if they at least get laid once in a while by a chick previously inflicted w/ low self esteem who puts herself back on the market again this is a problem which probably solves itself.
jackstar7
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- Jun 26, 2009
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Buddy, you have no interest in facts. This whole "scandal" lacked for facts from the start, but it was all you needed to get your feelings validated and you were off to the races.
Commodus
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As the saying goes: you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.
The hilarious thing to me is that people like the OP are absolutely terrified of women who didn't have a huge amount of power until GamerGate harassment campaigns thrust them into the spotlight. Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu? Indie game developers. Anita Sarkeesian? Posting games-and-feminism YouTube videos every now and then with modest success. They were not (and still aren't) eeeeevil masterminds controlling the media.
That's not to diminish the efforts of those women, just that GG paradoxically makes them more important by trying to silence them. Sarkeesian gets dramatically more media exposure, including a guest spot on Colbert's show. Quinn and Wu not only get more evidence to support their claims, but become de facto spokeswomen for inclusion in games. And so on.
For that matter, how many equality initiatives actually got started as a reaction to all this? Intel responded to GG's attempt to 'punish' Leigh Alexander and Gamasutra with a $300 million campaign fighting online harassment and encouraging diversity. Twitter has better abuse controls. If it weren't for the terrible real-world effects of GG on women, I'd almost suggest that they keep it up... we'll have harassment-free environments and truly improved gender representation in games before you know it!
The hilarious thing to me is that people like the OP are absolutely terrified of women who didn't have a huge amount of power until GamerGate harassment campaigns thrust them into the spotlight. Zoe Quinn and Brianna Wu? Indie game developers. Anita Sarkeesian? Posting games-and-feminism YouTube videos every now and then with modest success. They were not (and still aren't) eeeeevil masterminds controlling the media.
That's not to diminish the efforts of those women, just that GG paradoxically makes them more important by trying to silence them. Sarkeesian gets dramatically more media exposure, including a guest spot on Colbert's show. Quinn and Wu not only get more evidence to support their claims, but become de facto spokeswomen for inclusion in games. And so on.
For that matter, how many equality initiatives actually got started as a reaction to all this? Intel responded to GG's attempt to 'punish' Leigh Alexander and Gamasutra with a $300 million campaign fighting online harassment and encouraging diversity. Twitter has better abuse controls. If it weren't for the terrible real-world effects of GG on women, I'd almost suggest that they keep it up... we'll have harassment-free environments and truly improved gender representation in games before you know it!
thraashman
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- Apr 10, 2000
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I think Blue_Max would actually throw a hissy fit so hard he died if gender representation equality and harassment ceasing happen. His life is pretty much dedicated to crying like a child about the evil feminists and social justice warriors.
Now I can truly empathize with real public defenders. What I wrote is about the best rational argument your side is going to get; notice that people aren't pointing and laughing at it like all the previous defenses.
GG-Netscape
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Mombot, the doxing "victim," just wrote an article about how she tricked anti-GamerGate into doxing her: https://medium.com/@mombot/zachatta...ocates-into-doxing-me-4d9f055e2738#.5sd3bapwt
True. And the fact is that your three favorite fake feminists are now laughing stocks. That's got to hurt
So what's the bottomline? Have the SJW's been defeated or not? It's unclear what's exactly going on with this thread.
MongGrel
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GG-Netscape
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That's all anti-GamerGaters have. As it turns out, basing your entire ideology on feelings isn't healthy or productive.
jman19
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- Nov 3, 2000
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"Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
Trying to forget my feelings of love."
Sure you do, no reason to lie
As mentioned the core issue here is the incels believe others (should) care; whether it's women or folks clowning them. They really don't.
DrDoug
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Since this thread needs some real news to jazz the place up a bit how about some news about GG superhero, Milo Yeahimadumbass? It's known that his presidential candidate (Hair Furor) ran a phony university that bilked people out of their money and it now appears that Milo may be running a university scholarship scam that's bilking people out of their money. One of his own people blew the whistle on him for transferring collected money to a personal account. The poor misunderstood white supremacist says that he's just been overwhelmed by the popularity of his Whitey Scholarship and hasn't had the time to get his ducks in a row, which we are to believe that he is doing now. I note that he states that he has handed out $100,000 in scholarships so far, which would be forty scholarships at the amount he stated ($2,500). Anybody out there know of a scholarship recipient...lol!
Regardless, it's clear that the Milo the Unshaven Skinhead is getting in over his fuzzy skinhead (nothing new) regarding his scholarship for white dudes and applicable state and federal laws.
Regardless, it's clear that the Milo the Unshaven Skinhead is getting in over his fuzzy skinhead (nothing new) regarding his scholarship for white dudes and applicable state and federal laws.
Commodus
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True. And the fact is that your three favorite fake feminists are now laughing stocks. That's got to hurt
Laughing stocks for who, exactly? No, really: I want you to provide evidence that they're being ridiculed on a broad level, not just in some self-congratulating GG community. Last I checked, they've been far more influential than someone tweeting rape threats at Quinn or threatening a massacre at a Sarkeesian talk.
Also, what to you is a "fake feminist?" Funny, all three of those examples I gave are pushing for better representation of women in a field they care about. Sure seems like real feminism to me. What do you think a real feminist does? Stay silent and accept an arbitrarily male-dominated status quo?
Commodus
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Can't help but enjoy a little bit of schadenfreude. All the GamerGaters treating Milo as a saint are suddenly faced with the prospect of confronting the truth: that he's a consummate liar, and they've been hoodwinked.
Blue_Max
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He's just trying to attack Milo by attacking Trump. Because Milo is a Trump supporter, the sins of Trump are also the sins of Milo.... a strange and weak argument, really...
[EDIT] Misread... but that article only has a clickbait title. The fundraising only just started 5 months ago, but let's see what happens from it.
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