#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

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werepossum

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My parents bought a house because my mom wanted a house. My friend bought a condo because his wife wanted a condo. Lots of men buy minivans because their wife wants a minivan. Men work more hours and earn more money than women, but women control a larger percentage of disposable income than men. If men were running everything, there would be an awful lot of rusted out cars on the road. Men like shiny things too, but it seems to be less important. Men, on average, seem more concerned about whether or not something works. Going back to that thing about men being happier (easier to please), it seems like a lot of men would be totally fine with using milk crates as chairs and a cable spool as a table. Try to throw out a guy's not-a-real-table. They'll seriously argue over keeping something that isn't a real table. Men don't buy stuff because men want stuff. They buy stuff because women want stuff. Advertisers don't even waste their time trying to market things to men. They know men don't care if something looks nice or smells nice.



How many of your male friends offered to beat the hell out of your girlfriend because your girlfriend disrespected you or hit you? I'm guessing zero. I could find dozens of men willing to kick my boyfriend's ass if he slapped me. I would probably need to talk my dad out of beating my boyfriend with a baseball bat in such a scenario. If you were hit by your girlfriend, and I mean hit hard with a frying pan or something, would any of your male friends or family members immediately jump on your girlfriend and kick her into a coma? My guess is that they wouldn't. I am a first class citizen. You are a second class citizen. Men will risk jail time to defend me. If you're in trouble, they'll tell you to "deal with it" or something equally dismissive.



There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.

Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we all secretly openly hope she gets hit by a train)

I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.


Feminism being a hate group is why most women are not feminists. Apparently 82% of Americans do not consider themselves feminists.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...ont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/
If we assume it's close to 0% of men, and men are half the population, that 18% of all people being feminists would become about 36% of women saying they are feminists. It's a big number, but it's not a majority. I'm guessing even fewer women would identify as feminists if they actually knew what feminists do and say.
I don't agree with every single bit of all that, but well said. I'll make two small points. First, the reason for the strong difference in reactions between male battering and female battering is the unequal force available. It is very seldom that a man cannot whip a woman's ass, so if she gets away with physically attacking him, it's because he chose to accept it without retaliating. It is also very seldom that a woman can whip her man's ass since even powerful women tend to choose larger, stronger mates, so if he gets away with it, it just may be because she could not physically stop it. Nonetheless you and BoberFett have a point; our culture is strongly supportive of and deferential to women. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Second, one big reason that so few people describe themselves as feminists is because those feminists who weren't a hate group were so successful. If women still lacked equal rights, there would be a lot more feminists. Now it's not so necessary.
 

MrPickins

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...and yet, if they ARE legitimate problems, why are those who try to talk about it lumped with shame and called "hatemongering shitlords" for just wanting to talk about these issues? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 (<- particularly at 3:45)
...because the feminist/SJW crowd (usually hanging together if not synonymous) want to pretend these are NOT legitimate problems or don't even exist. Google "misandry isn't real".

They also don't want public discussion about men getting the short end of the stick... ruins the narrative that only women are supposed to be the victims... keeps that publicly-funded money and social programs flowing in their direction.

For the same reason that anyone that argues against the gamergaters is labelled a feminist white knight pussy.

Both sides love to vilify their opponents and refuse to listen to their arguments, valid or not.
 

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So... yeah... there are shitty people who label themselves as feminists. Based on basically all group dynamics not all feminists are shitty though -- odds are that they are just the loudest idiots among them.

The problem is less about the individuals (be they quiet or vocal) but the ideals shared by them all. Feminist theories are taught by professors and circulated as much as possible, and taught as "truth".

Such truths as "1 in 20/10/6/3 women have been raped", "paid 77c to the man's dollar", patriarchy theory, rape culture, you name it.

99% of it conjecture, exaggeration, misrepresentation or complete and baseless falsehood.

Why am I harping on feminism when discussing SJWs? Because they share the same set of ideals and use the same methods. The only big difference I see between them at all is that SJWs accept men into their fold more readily and respect them a more from within the movement.

To be honest, I don't know how someone can be so negative all day long without getting sick from it. Maybe that explains the college "safe space" with bubbles, cookies, crayons and puppies... *sigh*


I'm just glad that people everywhere are starting to finally see the beasts for what they are and are starting to distance themselves from it.
 

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The problem is less about the individuals (be they quiet or vocal) but the ideals shared by them all. Feminist theories are taught by professors and circulated as much as possible, and taught as "truth".

Such truths as "1 in 20/10/6/3 women have been raped", "paid 77c to the man's dollar", patriarchy theory, rape culture, you name it.

99% of it conjecture, exaggeration, misrepresentation or complete and baseless falsehood.

Why am I harping on feminism when discussing SJWs? Because they share the same set of ideals and use the same methods. The only big difference I see between them at all is that SJWs accept men into their fold more readily and respect them a more from within the movement.

To be honest, I don't know how someone can be so negative all day long without getting sick from it. Maybe that explains the college "safe space" with bubbles, cookies, crayons and puppies... *sigh*


I'm just glad that people everywhere are starting to finally see the beasts for what they are and are starting to distance themselves from it.

... I'm guessing you don't see the irony.
 

Blue_Max

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For the same reason that anyone that argues against the gamergaters is labelled a feminist white knight pussy.

I don't see that accusation being thrown around nearly as much. I see more people on the GG side try to use a sensible, factual argument several times before giving up and tossing an insult as they exit the non-debate.

I see the anti-GG side (here and elsewhere) avoid using factual arguments and go immediately to playing on emotions; inciting anger and revulsion, calling shame, implying their rival is stupid/sexist/insane/evil, etc.

Both sides love to vilify their opponents and refuse to listen to their arguments, valid or not.

I've seen some from both sides, but I see a lot MORE of that vilification coming from the SJW anti-GG crowd since that seems to be the first line of attack/defense in every engagement.
 

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I don't see that accusation being thrown around nearly as much. I see more people on the GG side try to use a sensible, factual argument several times before giving up and tossing an insult as they exit the non-debate.

I see the anti-GG side (here and elsewhere) avoid using factual arguments and go immediately to playing on emotions; inciting anger and revulsion, calling shame, implying their rival is stupid/sexist/insane/evil, etc.



I've seen some from both sides, but I see a lot MORE of that vilification coming from the SJW anti-GG crowd since that seems to be the first line of attack/defense in every engagement.

You see? That sounds like confirmation bias, you know?
 

MrPickins

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I don't see that accusation being thrown around nearly as much. I see more people on the GG side try to use a sensible, factual argument several times before giving up and tossing an insult as they exit the non-debate.

I see the anti-GG side (here and elsewhere) avoid using factual arguments and go immediately to playing on emotions; inciting anger and revulsion, calling shame, implying their rival is stupid/sexist/insane/evil, etc.



I've seen some from both sides, but I see a lot MORE of that vilification coming from the SJW anti-GG crowd since that seems to be the first line of attack/defense in every engagement.

Confirmation bias.


Hell, in this thread you're one of the first to start flinging insults when someone disagrees with a post of yours. Of course those insults are met with responses in kind.

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You see? That sounds like confirmation bias, you know?

Beat me to it.
 

werepossum

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The problem is less about the individuals (be they quiet or vocal) but the ideals shared by them all. Feminist theories are taught by professors and circulated as much as possible, and taught as "truth".

Such truths as "1 in 20/10/6/3 women have been raped", "paid 77c to the man's dollar", patriarchy theory, rape culture, you name it.

99% of it conjecture, exaggeration, misrepresentation or complete and baseless falsehood.

Why am I harping on feminism when discussing SJWs? Because they share the same set of ideals and use the same methods. The only big difference I see between them at all is that SJWs accept men into their fold more readily and respect them a more from within the movement.

To be honest, I don't know how someone can be so negative all day long without getting sick from it. Maybe that explains the college "safe space" with bubbles, cookies, crayons and puppies... *sigh*


I'm just glad that people everywhere are starting to finally see the beasts for what they are and are starting to distance themselves from it.
I think it's important to make the distinction between radical, progressive feminism and original feminism. I don't always agree with Camille Paglia of course, but I find her positions reasonable, well articulated, and worthy of respect. Feminism in its purest sense is completely reasonable:
Don't pay me less because "a man has to support a family".
Don't relegate me to secretarial or clerical positions just because I'm a girl if I can do more.
Don't tell me I can't vote because I lack a penis; I have a vagina and can get all the penises I want.
Don't tell me something is "a man's job" if I can do it.
Don't set up artificial barriers to keep me down.
Don't make my worth to society equal to my attractiveness to men.

There is the same drive at the heart of every civil rights movement: Just be fair. Of course they get taken to unreasonable lengths; they are full of people, and we all know what stinkers they are.
 

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I don't agree with every single bit of all that, but well said. I'll make two small points. First, the reason for the strong difference in reactions between male battering and female battering is the unequal force available. ....

I've heard Sargon explain it the same way, the transgression of a man hitting a woman is deemed worse because its an abuse of advantage, an abuse of a power imbalance. But this is also why society judges women who abuse their sexual power more harshly. Feminists like to protect imbalances in their favor while pretending men and women are blindly the same to avoid having to take responsibility for their own advantages.

This denial of gender difference is so extreme they are more than happy to distort history to claim female warriors were a common occurrence.

Shieldmaidens and Feminism Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9vcRzerT2E
Shieldmaidens Continue to Undermine Feminism Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-nLz-2OHbI

A Study in the Dunning-Kruger Effect Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAmuOXlQu4

A Conversation with a Male Feminist Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57borHqmeU

Fireside Chat: Male feminist Kevin Logan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQkKIfNbCLo


Atheism+ was really what made me sit up and take notice. ....[/url]



Wow. That's from an atheist. Someone who considers himself above religious rhetoric. It's rather frightening, and this same group wants to infect everything with their brand of "justice".

SJW's and feminists have been working the same play for some time now.
But they are finally turning on one another in atheism+, accusations of
transphobia or transmisogyny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ief0WshpY
accusations of male atheists being "creeps"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKU6FVNrUA

Its no surprise they now denigrate atheists as misogynists, constantly attacking Dawkin's as racist and sexist without a shred of evidence. Atheists and skeptic's are the natural enemies of feminism and SJW's since they demand sound reasoning and evidence, and those groups knew if atheists directed attention their way, they would not be friends.


https://www.youtube.com/user/MykeruMedia
Also a good channel. These types destroyed Occupy...they destroy anything they infiltrate

Social Justice Warrior is a fairly well-defined theme in the Internet world. It has perhaps seven central components:
1. A radical progressive (as opposed to liberal) viewpoint.
2. Division of everyone into sometimes overlapping groups. (aka Identity politics.)
3. Allocation of rights and guilt based not on individual actions, but on membership in those groups.
4. Vitriolic and prolonged attacks on anyone perceived to not agree with the SJW.
5. Poorly thought-out, often illogical views which must be defended to the death. (aka More heat than light.)
6. Suspicion by virtually everyone except the SJWs that the opinions so viciously promulgated are for the SJW's self-aggrandizement within his or her peer group, and/or for the SJW's own advancement, rather than any particular feeling for the individuals being discussed.
7. A totalitarian viewpoint, so that the SJW is 100% correct on every issue and therefore any opinion diverging in the slightest is 100% wrong.

The rise of these SJW's coincides with the ever increasing cries of misogyny and racism we see since Obama's election. Who would have thought it would have got this bad under a black president.

Most notable with the recent #blacklivesmatter issue and the incredibly hostile reaction to anyone using #alllivesmatter. The truth is these people don't believe in justice, they believe in "social justice" which is justice + injustice of their choice which they will rationalize in order to reach their utopian vision. Its why #alllivesmatter triggers them so much, because the truth is they believe they have the right and demand the power to choose which lives matter.

Its why what BoberFett says below is a truth, yet universally ignored.

The statistics say otherwise. The homeless population is overwhelmingly made up of men.
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Again, men aren't even allowed to discuss these problems without being called a hate group by radical feminists and having their meetings shut down.

Just suck it up, and be a man!

Aka, even feminists demand men fulfill their "gender role".
 

Blue_Max

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Hell, in this thread you're one of the first to start flinging insults when someone disagrees with a post of yours.

Show. Me. Examples.


Just because you feel insulted because I didn't agree with you doesn't mean I hurled an insult.

Lies and damned lies.
 

werepossum

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I've heard Sargon explain it the same way, the transgression of a man hitting a woman is deemed worse because its an abuse of advantage, an abuse of a power imbalance. But this is also why society judges women who abuse their sexual power more harshly. Feminists like to protect imbalances in their favor while pretending men and women are blindly the same to avoid having to take responsibility for their own advantages.

This denial of gender difference is so extreme they are more than happy to distort history to claim female warriors were a common occurrence.

Shieldmaidens and Feminism Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9vcRzerT2E
Shieldmaidens Continue to Undermine Feminism Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-nLz-2OHbI

A Study in the Dunning-Kruger Effect Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAmuOXlQu4

A Conversation with a Male Feminist Sargon of Akkad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y57borHqmeU

Fireside Chat: Male feminist Kevin Logan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQkKIfNbCLo




SJW's and feminists have been working the same play for some time now.
But they are finally turning on one another in atheism+, accusations of
transphobia or transmisogyny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0ief0WshpY
accusations of male atheists being "creeps"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKU6FVNrUA

Its no surprise they now denigrate atheists as misogynists, constantly attacking Dawkin's as racist and sexist without a shred of evidence. Atheists and skeptic's are the natural enemies of feminism and SJW's since they demand sound reasoning and evidence, and those groups knew if atheists directed attention their way, they would not be friends.


https://www.youtube.com/user/MykeruMedia
Also a good channel. These types destroyed Occupy...they destroy anything they infiltrate

The rise of these SJW's coincides with the ever increasing cries of misogyny and racism we see since Obama's election. Who would have thought it would have got this bad under a black president.

Most notable with the recent #blacklivesmatter issue and the incredibly hostile reaction to anyone using #alllivesmatter. The truth is these people don't believe in justice, they believe in "social justice" which is justice + injustice of their choice which they will rationalize in order to reach their utopian vision. Its why #alllivesmatter triggers them so much, because the truth is they believe they have the right and demand the power to choose which lives matter.

Its why what BoberFett says below is a truth, yet universally ignored.

Just suck it up, and be a man!

Aka, even feminists demand men fulfill their "gender role".
Sorry, I only watch Youtube links if Shorty posts them, but I'm pretty sure that Sargon is that floating head that ruled the Power Rangers.

Yes, BoberFett has a valid point about the lack of support for men. We are still in many ways and "Just suck it up, and be a man" is part and parcel of that. We expect more from men; we protect women.

I completely agree that the reason the SJWs are so offended by #alllivesmatter is because they believe they have the right and demand the power to choose which lives matter. I will however again make the point that while I think booing it was tactically stupid, I can understand the feeling that if they allow this to be about everyone victimized by police, they're still going to end up being worse off than everyone else. I don't think it's morally supportable, but that's certainly debatable. I can also understand the concept that if black people are unjustly killed 6% of the time and white people are unjustly killed 3% of the time, they would rather see the numbers dropped to 5% and 3% than to 4% and 1% because if they can achieve parity, eventually when white people get pissed about unnecessary police violence then the rate for black people will drop with everyone else's.
 

MrPickins

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Show. Me. Examples.


Just because you feel insulted because I didn't agree with you doesn't mean I hurled an insult.

Lies and damned lies.

How many times have you called someone in this thread a SJW when they disagreed with you?


Also, why should I provide examples, when you ignored the exact same request earlier in the thread from me? :hmm:
 

Blue_Max

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How many times have you called someone in this thread a SJW when they disagreed with you?

So, SJW is officially an insult now? These changes happen so quick... what's the new acceptable term now? Social-fighters-of-colour?

Also, why should I provide examples, when you ignored the exact same request earlier in the thread from me? :hmm:

Fine. I went back about 500 posts before figuring I'd wasted enough time on it. Not a lot of direct insults, just very positive support to the ones that did. The most direct, and nastiest, was when you showed your full support for someone to take my kids away back in #1644, the rest were just casual dismissals and teasings (like #1232, #1237, #1753 and #1934) without being direct insults easy to point out. Pretty skillful there in patting the appropriate heads to avoid most of the return fire.
So, yeah, you've been nasty in the rebuttals but haven't made the same "stupid" "woman-hater" type comments the other 4-5 have. You just agreed with them.

Okay, I've done my part. You do yours - point out where I've given you a direct insult or called you names, etc.

(No, SJW doesn't count as "SJW" and "feminist" are how these people identify themselves when talking to themselves and others.)
 

MrPickins

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So, SJW is officially an insult now? These changes happen so quick... what's the new acceptable term now? Social-fighters-of-colour?



Fine. I went back about 500 posts before figuring I'd wasted enough time on it. Not a lot of direct insults, just very positive support to the ones that did. The most direct, and nastiest, was when you showed your full support for someone to take my kids away back in #1644, the rest were just casual dismissals and teasings (like #1232, #1237, #1753 and #1934) without being direct insults easy to point out. Pretty skillful there in patting the appropriate heads to avoid most of the return fire.
So, yeah, you've been nasty in the rebuttals but haven't made the same "stupid" "woman-hater" type comments the other 4-5 have. You just agreed with them.

Okay, I've done my part. You do yours - point out where I've given you a direct insult or called you names, etc.

(No, SJW doesn't count as "SJW" and "feminist" are how these people identify themselves when talking to themselves and others.)

Oh I'll admit that I can be a bit nasty with my arguments in P&N, but I have thought further about my comments in regards to your divorce (well before this). They were uncalled for, and I apologize.

As for "SJW", when you're using as a label for anyone who disagrees with you, it's hard to see it as anything but an insult.

If you want to continue the discussion, we can take it to PMs, but we should probably stop with it in this thread.
 
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For the same reason that anyone that argues against the gamergaters is labelled a feminist white knight pussy.

Isn't that kind of a straw man though? Or at least a big generalization on your part?

I don't know if I'm a gamergater per se but I sympathize with some of their issues and think they've been highly unfairly treated by a really spectacularly shitty media. But if someone argues against them I don't label them a "feminist white knight pussy", I figure they're someone who is going off of the information they've been given without having any reason to really want to dig deeper.
 

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This is all anecdotes and what I take to be your experiences. They do not really match mine, so without I guess anthropological data to back these things up, I have no idea how common your experiences are compared to mine.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/04/16/its-time-that-we-end-the-equal-pay-myth/
Average man's full time work day is 8.14 hours. Average woman's full time work day is 7.75 hours.
That pay gap number of about 80% is a real number. Women work fewer hours and generally work easier jobs, so women get paid less. Despite this, women control the majority of all spending.

http://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2...ats-you-need-to-know-when-marketing-to-women/
5. Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases including everything from autos to health care
6. Women make 80% of healthcare decisions and 68 percent of new car purchase decisions
10. Women buy more than half of the new cars in the U.S., and influence up to 80% of all car purchases
11. Women request 65% of the [car] service work done at dealerships
25. Women account for 58% of all total online spending

These are just numbers to describe how society works. Men work so they can buy things for women. This will probably never change. When researchers trained monkeys to use money, the monkeys immediately used the money for prostitution - males buying sex from females. It was always in one direction. Female monkeys do not buy sex from male monkeys. video summary




So... yeah... there are shitty people who label themselves as feminists. Based on basically all group dynamics not all feminists are shitty though -- odds are that they are just the loudest idiots among them.
You could say this about any group. Not all nazis wanted mass executions. Not all communists want mass executions (all self-labelled communists say this). Not all KKK members want to hang black people from trees. It's still important to recognize patterns. It doesn't matter if some nazis are nice people and some communists believe in democracy. The group as a whole is still evil.


All this grouping to dismiss and dehumanize these things, trying to simplify what is a complicated and complex issue... it all gets things further and further from getting to answers. Instead... more team sports.
Feminists deserve to be treated as subhuman creatures. It's actually against the law to disagree with them. Greg Elliot was arrested because he disagreed with feminists. He didn't harass them, he didn't threaten them. All he did was disagree with them. That was enough to have him thrown in jail.
https://www.youtube.com//watch?v=oNb7W8ZbjI0
I'm sorry, but any group that allows this behavior should be publicly shamed until they cease to exist. Can you imagine throwing black people in jail because they disagreed with white people? The second wave feminists like Christina Hoff Sommers are now considered enemies of third wave feminism because they criticize third wave feminism. A lot of second wave feminists are now considered anti-feminist because modern feminism is nothing more than a hate mob.


Oh! And what makes you say that my guy friends have been victims of abuse? Are there stats to support that? Or has data just not been collected on that subject to support or refute that notion?
I already posted it, but I'll post it again.
http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
The numbers start around PDF page 48, which is labelled as page 38 in the top left.
Physical violence, female victim: 32.9% lifetime, 4% last 12 months.
Physical violence, male victim: 28.2% lifetime, 4.7% last 12 months.
On page 29 (19), it says 22% of men have been victims sexual violence, 4.8% of which were rape (it actually says "forced to penetrate," but most people just refer to that as rape).
So a little less than 1/3 of the men you know have likely been victims of domestic violence, and 1/20 of the men you know have been victims in the last year. That number showing women having higher lifetime violence and men having higher recent violence would seem to imply it's getting better for women, which is good, but it's getting worse for men, which is bad. Instead of having an open discussion about these issues, feminists try to shut down the conversation. In that one case, have a guy thrown in jail because he disagreed with feminists over twitter.
 

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While I appreciate you trying to provide some info, your opinions are so extreme as to make me discount the efforts you put into providing worthwhile information. You should know this. While you're not using all caps, the nazi comparison and sub-human talk both come off as the equivalent of yelling at me which makes me tune out whatever salient points you might try to make.

Also... and this is more general, why is just about every video from Canada?
 

MrPickins

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Isn't that kind of a straw man though? Or at least a big generalization on your part?

Not really,. I've seen it happen over and over (in this thread even).

I don't know if I'm a gamergater per se but I sympathize with some of their issues and think they've been highly unfairly treated by a really spectacularly shitty media. But if someone argues against them I don't label them a "feminist white knight pussy", I figure they're someone who is going off of the information they've been given without having any reason to really want to dig deeper.

What about those people who have delved into it and still think the movement is a bunch of shit?
 

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Not really,. I've seen it happen over and over (in this thread even).

You said "anyone who argues against a gamergater", is that not saying all of them? I'm not even sure if the people saying things like that in this thread are even the ones hanging out in the GG communities in the first place.

Look at all of the people in this thread who call "gamergaters" virgins, basement dwelling losers, etc. How is that better? Oh I know, you say in your posts that there's bad shit on both sides, but it's only one side you actually say anything to on this thread.

What about those people who have delved into it and still think the movement is a bunch of shit?

There's a really broad realm that can cover. I think a lot of it is a bunch of shit too. But the popular narrative is that it's about hating women and trying to keep them out of games which I don't think can be supported rationally by looking into it, at least not without some really strained and biased logic.
 

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Oh I'll admit that I can be a bit nasty with my arguments in P&N, but I have thought further about my comments in regards to your divorce (well before this). They were uncalled for, and I apologize.

That's big of you and it's appreciated.

As for "SJW", when you're using as a label for anyone who disagrees with you, it's hard to see it as anything but an insult.

A bit of an assumption on my part, but considering my stance against the lies told regularly by the SJW and feminist camps, it's usually those same people being most vocal in their response. When someone starts hurling insults about me being a "woman-hater" etc, it's usually because I've challenged their cherished beliefs and called them out on the specific lies told and the truths that counteract them (they hate that.) ;)

A personal insult is never a successful counter-argument, no matter how often they're used. (Not accusing you of doing so - it's far more the other usual suspects.)
 

0roo0roo

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Eceleb stream
TheRalphRetort LIVE: Gawker, Hogan, GamerGate & More
The Ralph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhltDRxN0ys
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Milo Yiannopoulos and Dean Cain Geek Out and Talk #GamerGate || Louder With Crowder
StevenCrowder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJRtvyfBBss
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SUPERMAN ACTOR DEAN CAIN ON GAMERGATE: I&#8217;M ON THE GAMERS&#8217; SIDE
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollyw...dean-cain-on-gamergate-im-on-the-gamers-side/



Dean Cain, Mount & Blade Composer, AAA Dev Support #GamerGate
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...aa-dev-support-gamergate/#D0SWTzgpgyyjLSKq.99



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Why #Gawker is so Awful
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ih2OuqKXQ


Games and Gaming Memories #CelebrateGaming
GameDiviner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFiST8UG0sI

Wammyrambles 1: Gamergate; Ethics Only vs Staying the Course
Wammy Gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNl3_YZqbPU



Harmful News - Misogyny Went Viral
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNKUT25HYE

Harmful Opinion - Game Journalists Are Dead
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZOGuBVJQNU






From &#8220;Gamers Are Dead&#8221; to &#8220;We&#8217;re All Gamers&#8221; in less than a year
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/07/29/from-gamers-are-dead-to-were-all-gamers-in-less-than-a-year/


CBC Fell Short Of Journalistic Standards Regarding #GamerGate, Says Ombudsman
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...gamergate-says-ombudsman/#7leAQ8m8327tXdrb.99


Techraptor [Updated] Culture of Fear: Interview with a Triple A Developer
http://techraptor.net/content/culture-fear-interview-triple-developer


Indie Developers: Ouya Owes Us Thousands Of Dollars
http://techraptor.net/content/ouya-owes-indie-developers





IGF Chairman Brandon Boyer Steps Down Amidst Corruption Allegations
http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/20...t-corruption-allegations/#RsRzKvk7DLTUEQue.99
IGF corruption covered in the "Indie-fensible" series.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkq5lqVabDjzWHB4E30T2W76Yhd_O5R2l



ANITA TRIED TO SMEAR GAMERS WITH ELLIOT RODGER, WHEN IN REALITY SHE&#8217;S TIED TO HIS FAMILY
http://theralphretort.com/anita-tri...n-in-reality-shes-tied-to-his-family-7031015/
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Gamers Are Doubleplus Dead! o (&#8807; &#9661; &#8806;) o [Part 1 of 2]
Louis Le Vau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onqhIFdYjrw


TheRalphRetort LIVE: #GamerGate, Trump, Milo, & More
The Ralph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82nA3Ib6fCw

Remember when I was wrong about GamerGate? Well, I was wrong about feminism too [PSA]
Top Hats and Champagne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0wXv5migh4

What is a Social Justice Warrior?
Max Derrat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuTCMRrC_ww&list=PLDYqIK_NYzw51_e4Ud9ajnLbgPmEnF6I9&index=2



Gunning for GAWKER: A Rant
The Rageaholic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj1v9BWZG3c


Post #GamerGate AMA Stream with Starius
GameDiviner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BiiMJj6mFo

GamerGate 52.0
TheAndredal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szq0koSpe8Q

Indie Developers: Ouya Owes Us Thousands Of Dollars
http://techraptor.net/content/ouya-owes-indie-developers


Ethics, SJWs, and the wider Culture War beyond #GamerGate
GameDiviner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2aj0e3mhIw


No, Video Games Do Not Need To Grow Up
GamingAnarchist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RnMhvWalXc


and another instance of the crazed threat narrative being sold
&#8216;All feminists should be gang-raped&#8217;: Inside the murky world of online misogyny - The Daily Telegraph
https://archive.is/Ee7aQ#selection-1807.0-1807.154
"Video game developer Zoe Quinn was subject to 18 months of online harassment in what was known as &#8216;Gamer Gate&#8217; after releasing her game, Depression Quest."


The Closet Otaku: The embedded misogyny of Sword Art Online - The George Town Voice
https://archive.is/B88Rp
"In the last ten years, Voice staffers have gone on to work full time at a variety of publications, including the Washington Post, Washington City Paper, Quartz, The New Republic, New York Daily News, In These Times, MarketWatch, Agence France-Presse,The American Prospect, and The Atlantic."
https://archive.is/of3aW






Python Cuba mailing list where some sjw tried to smear someone to drive them out of a community without a shred of evidence. Interesting to see how they work.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAc...rto_rosario_siloraptor_getting_messages_from/
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/000071.html just keep hitting next post...



DERANGED WU BLAMES GAMERGATE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND BIRTH PARENTS
http://theralphretort.com/deranged-...not-being-able-to-find-birth-parents-7028015/






Atheism+ was really what made me sit up and take notice. Gamergate? Pfft, I honestly couldn't give a damn. I still get to play Witcher 3, even if it's problematic.

But Gamergate got me reading about the whole SJW phenomenon. What SHOULD be a logical, fact driven community was being torn apart intentionally by these people. I started reading about PZ Myers and the FreeThoughtBlogs hugbox, where only "right" thinking is allowed. Atheism+ and the likes of Carrier who sound EXACTLY like intolerant right wingers.
http://www.richardcarrier.info/AtheismPlus2013Transcript.pdf
Wow. That's from an atheist. Someone who considers himself above religious rhetoric. It's rather frightening, and this same group wants to infect everything with their brand of "justice".

Yes atheism was hit hard by these folks, and still are under constant attack.
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http://archive.is/7lF26

The SJW left has shifted so far to the left that its starting to label everyone else as right wing, which is why Dawkins is now regularly accused of being a racist and misogynist, casually and without any evidence at all.

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@Sargon_of_Akkad, @Kflogan and the Atheist Shift Right(?)
James Desborough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj4DC8rU8AA

The Atheist Shift
Nick Carroll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rozWu3_VDrU





While I appreciate you trying to provide some info, your opinions are so extreme as to make me discount the efforts you put into providing worthwhile information. You should know this. While you're not using all caps, the nazi comparison and sub-human talk both come off as the equivalent of yelling at me which makes me tune out whatever salient points you might try to make.

Also... and this is more general, why is just about every video from Canada?

You've literally brought nothing to counter his claims other than the assertion that he is "extreme".
Ask yourself what is the truly extreme belief.
This is the feminist depiction of reality for women in colleges, a 1 in 5 chance
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What kind of callous parents would subject their daughters to that kind of risk? What women's groups wouldn't make armed guards for women a priority if this were true?

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PROBLEMATIC
DarkAntics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSPwHn0ugkQ


Black Hitler Speaks
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up7b2d12OBs
 
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jackstar7

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You've literally brought nothing to counter his claims other than the assertion that he is "extreme". Ask yourself what is the truly extreme belief.

You bring nothing to the discussion at all... so I will try to get off of your level.

Also, just because it's obvious you're not paying attention: it's a she.