werepossum
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I don't agree with every single bit of all that, but well said. I'll make two small points. First, the reason for the strong difference in reactions between male battering and female battering is the unequal force available. It is very seldom that a man cannot whip a woman's ass, so if she gets away with physically attacking him, it's because he chose to accept it without retaliating. It is also very seldom that a woman can whip her man's ass since even powerful women tend to choose larger, stronger mates, so if he gets away with it, it just may be because she could not physically stop it. Nonetheless you and BoberFett have a point; our culture is strongly supportive of and deferential to women. I don't think that's a bad thing.My parents bought a house because my mom wanted a house. My friend bought a condo because his wife wanted a condo. Lots of men buy minivans because their wife wants a minivan. Men work more hours and earn more money than women, but women control a larger percentage of disposable income than men. If men were running everything, there would be an awful lot of rusted out cars on the road. Men like shiny things too, but it seems to be less important. Men, on average, seem more concerned about whether or not something works. Going back to that thing about men being happier (easier to please), it seems like a lot of men would be totally fine with using milk crates as chairs and a cable spool as a table. Try to throw out a guy's not-a-real-table. They'll seriously argue over keeping something that isn't a real table. Men don't buy stuff because men want stuff. They buy stuff because women want stuff. Advertisers don't even waste their time trying to market things to men. They know men don't care if something looks nice or smells nice.
How many of your male friends offered to beat the hell out of your girlfriend because your girlfriend disrespected you or hit you? I'm guessing zero. I could find dozens of men willing to kick my boyfriend's ass if he slapped me. I would probably need to talk my dad out of beating my boyfriend with a baseball bat in such a scenario. If you were hit by your girlfriend, and I mean hit hard with a frying pan or something, would any of your male friends or family members immediately jump on your girlfriend and kick her into a coma? My guess is that they wouldn't. I am a first class citizen. You are a second class citizen. Men will risk jail time to defend me. If you're in trouble, they'll tell you to "deal with it" or something equally dismissive.
There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.
Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we allsecretlyopenly hope she gets hit by a train)
I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.
Feminism being a hate group is why most women are not feminists. Apparently 82% of Americans do not consider themselves feminists.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...ont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/
If we assume it's close to 0% of men, and men are half the population, that 18% of all people being feminists would become about 36% of women saying they are feminists. It's a big number, but it's not a majority. I'm guessing even fewer women would identify as feminists if they actually knew what feminists do and say.
Second, one big reason that so few people describe themselves as feminists is because those feminists who weren't a hate group were so successful. If women still lacked equal rights, there would be a lot more feminists. Now it's not so necessary.