#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[BoberFett]

This all seems too hostile and counter-productive.

I mean... we know why women have shelters right? That came about due to the way in which they were treated over generations and that infrastructure of support was needed and slowly came to exist. If domestic abuse swings the other way dramatically, I'm sure shelters will exist for men. Considering abuse of men was simply labeled as "hen-pecked" for so long, I think it's going to take time for the validity of that phenomenon to take hold. But a big part of that problem is machismo and ego that tell guys that not being able to handle their women or family completely demeans them in the myopic view of society.

But in my experience, the people I know having issues with their exes and support and the like all had preexisting psychological issues that likely contributed to their situation. So if men want their pain to be treated with some dignity, it might serve them well to start recognizing the long-standing validity of psychological study and introspection and analysis.

Little by little shit keeps happening showing how important psychological study is. Maybe a shift will happen to take it more seriously and start addressing our individual and collective problems...

The statistics say otherwise. The homeless population is overwhelmingly made up of men. Actual studies of domestic abuse (not poorly done studies designed to show how awful men are) show that women are more often the aggressor. Of all pairings (M/M, M/F, F/F) lesbian relationships have the highest rates of domestic abuse.

And your attitude is entirely dismissive. If men's problems aren't being treated with dignity, it's their fault? Christ, can you imagine if the same was said of women's problems?

Again, men aren't even allowed to discuss these problems without being called a hate group by radical feminists and having their meetings shut down.

 

[BoberFett]

Can you offer some examples of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

Wut.

Do I need to use smaller words?

 

[BoberFett]

It's amusing how easy it is to prove your retarded as fuck ass wrong.
http://www.allsaints.us/MensNightShelter
http://www.druidhillspresbyterian.org/?page_id=1369
http://stjudeatlanta.net/mens-shelter
http://hopegospelmission.org/shelters/mens.php

I'll stop before I post all of the 23 million results on Google for "men's shelter". Glad to see you put the same thought and effort into fact checking this statement as you do into every post you make, exactly zero.

Oh, a bunch of private charities. According to shit eating left wingers such as yourself, those don't count. So where are the state funded supports for men?

 

[jackstar7]

The statistics say otherwise. The homeless population is overwhelmingly made up of men. Actual studies of domestic abuse (not poorly done studies designed to show how awful men are) show that women are more often the aggressor. Of all pairings (M/M, M/F, F/F) lesbian relationships have the highest rates of domestic abuse.

And your attitude is entirely dismissive. If men's problems aren't being treated with dignity, it's their fault? Christ, can you imagine if the same was said of women's problems?

Again, men aren't even allowed to discuss these problems without being called a hate group by radical feminists and having their meetings shut down.

I'm not being dismissive. I'm being pragmatic. And as with just about anything, the fringe of men's groups are fucking over the legitimate discussions that could be happening because the fringe feminist groups are also dickheads. You used the word radical to describe them. Who gives a shit what they say? The fringe is always crazy vocal and more so via the internet.

You want to work on the problem, or complain about who is working against solutions?

 

[jackstar7]

Oh, a bunch of private charities. According to shit eating left wingers such as yourself, those don't count. So where are the state funded supports for men?

If you really stoop down to meet every goddamn petty insult, then it's clear this is just entertainment for you.

I misunderstood.

 

[BoberFett]

If you really stoop down to meet every goddamn petty insult, then it's clear this is just entertainment for you.

I misunderstood.

But now you see the problem. There can be no civil discussion about these topics. The social justice movement is FULL of people like thraashman (and yes, it's coming from both sides) for whom it's not enough to have a discussion, it's a war and the enemy must be crushed.

 

[jackstar7]

But now you see the problem. There can be no civil discussion about these topics. The social justice movement is FULL of people like thraashman (and yes, it's coming from both sides) for whom it's not enough to have a discussion, it's a war and the enemy must be crushed.

Except this is a message board and you don't have to take the bait that's placed in front of you.

This isn't contextual to this topic. It's part of any discussion.

When did being the bigger person stop being an ideal? Days gone by, I suppose.

 

[fskimospy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qodygTkTUYM

Oh a youtube video from a clearly objective source. haha. Do you have any actual examples?

Do I need to use smaller words?

No need! It was more a question as to how anyone could actually hold that opinion, because it seems insane.

 

[jhbball]

Let me guess. Bober is single. <3

 

[jackstar7]

No need! It was more a question as to how anyone could actually hold that opinion, because it seems insane.

It's not insane if you judge based on the worst examples of the worst actors in those movements.

Willfully disingenuous is how I would describe it.

 

[Spungo]

I acknowledge the stats you're posting, but men being more prone to suicide... I'm not sure what that has to do with "rights" or what is supposed to be done about it.

Just stop treating men as second class citizens. As Dave Foley said on Rogan's podcast, a lot of men simply kill themselves when put in that situation. Child support is set higher than you can possibly pay, and you're facing life in jail, the logical thing to do is kill yourself. That kid who invented RSS killed himself when the government threatened life in jail for some piracy thing. You can't put people in that situation then act shocked when they kill themselves.

What if that's just an evolutionary defect in men? To me, I don't see a correlation to anything because suicide is just a phenomenon that affects both sexes. One being more prone doesn't tell me anything.

The stats are fairly consist when it comes to mental health. Women are about twice as likely to suffer from depression, and men are generally happier than women (story). It seems like more than a coincidence that this suddenly flips around right after a divorce happens.

I mean if women are abusing societal power I'd have to put money down that it is because this is the first time they actually had any leverage. It doesn't excuse disgusting awfulness in those situations where power is abused, but it does seem a lot like comeuppance, no?

Women have pretty much always been indirectly equal to men, and sometimes superior to men. Men run the world, but men are controlled by women. Social justice warriors and internet white knights are an interesting example of this. If a woman ever needs help, 10 white knights are eager to help. Sure those men only do it because they are lonely, but they get the job done. Most men don't have that kind of power. The stereotype of the fat and ugly feminist exists for a reason. Those women don't have power.

A lot of the stuff said by feminists about voting rights is intentionally misleading. Getting women the right to vote was a huge accomplishment, and I think we all agree on that, but things start getting sketchy when feminists act like that kind of inequality always existed - where the common man could vote, but the common woman could not. The fact of the matter is that men couldn't vote either in most countries for most of our history. Even in democratic countries, voting was reserved for wealthy land owners, and female land owners did have the right to vote when that was the case. You didn't just need some land to vote. You needed quite a bit of land. A very tiny percentage of all people were allowed to vote. It's very important to understand this concept because it's the foundation of modern feminism. Women in the past had no political power, therefore, we need to treat men like shit, etc. If someone admits men didn't have power either, that whole feminist line of reasoning goes out the window.

True feminists are interested in equality, not a war between sexes.

(This is not a "no true Scotsman" fallacy, because that is the literal definition of feminism).

Then I've never met a true feminist in my life. All I ever hear are ones asking for special treatment.

Okay, can you source this, please?

I agree that would be detrimental, but I'd like to know where not to live.

The UK. Do not move to the UK. Also, their police do not carry guns. That's a great combo. Female police officer with no gun. I'm sure chavs are scared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_WYGtZ7K4
Strangely, lowering the strength requirements to let tiny women be firefighters is happening at a time when obesity is becoming a huge problem, and people are heavier than they've ever been (and UK is fattest country in Europe). I'm a little chunky (5'7", 150lbs) and I really doubt that woman could carry me or even drag my limp body more than a couple feet.

 

[BoberFett]

Let me guess. Bober is single. <3

More examples of the new "liberal" discourse.

Jackstar, are you starting to understand?

 

[BoberFett]

Oh a youtube video from a clearly objective source. haha. Do you have any actual examples?

It's a video. How much more objective can you get?

No need! It was more a question as to how anyone could actually hold that opinion, because it seems insane.

http://jezebel.com/294383/have-you-ever-beat-up-a-boyfriend-cause-uh-we-have

If you don't think modern feminism has a problem, that's simply willful denial, and I can't help you there.

 

[werepossum]

Okay, can you source this, please?

I agree that would be detrimental, but I'd like to know where not to live.

lol That would be pretty much everywhere. It's the new trend, complete with numerous lawsuits alleging that if women fail a test at a higher level, then that test is gender biased.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-tests-relaxed-allow-women-firefighters.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...ers-physical-abilities-test-firefighter-exams

http://dailyoftheday.com/fdny-drops-physical-test-requirement-amid-low-female-hiring-rate/

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/05/...ed-physical-test-to-join-fdny/comment-page-1/

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/da...fdny-female-firefighters-blog-entry-1.2040918

http://openjurist.org/881/f2d/382/evans-v-city-of-evanston

https://law.resource.org/pub/us/case/reporter/F2/881/881.F2d.382.88-2995.88-2923.html

We have also seen evidence of this mindset in many other places. For instance, in the Army physical standards were greatly reduced to allow most healthy women to pass. (Which was amusing because the Army's own study found that although most female recruits could not pass the required strength test, the vast majority of them could pass it after a special three week conditioning and training course. A lot of lifting is knowing how to lift; another big factor is developing those specific muscles.) The Army even considered (thankfully eventually deciding not to do so) developing a less lethal fragmentation grenade after learning that the majority of Army women could not throw the standard frag grenade farther than its lethal radius.

Of course, this isn't necessarily as ridiculous as it sounds. Sometimes standards exist which preclude most women but aren't necessarily sound requirements to do the job. BUt when the fireman's carry becomes "any safe method of dragging", we've lost some function.

Interestingly, the door can swing both ways. Had a buddy who tested to be an electrician's apprentice for TVA (Tennessee Valley Authority.) Having been an electrician's mate in the Navy he was pretty sure he would pass with flying colors. The actual test was standing and placing many variously shaped very small pegs into the corresponding holes on a 24" tall table. Took a couple of hours. Being a very large man with large fingers he found this difficult and backbreaking since he had to perform this work leaned partway over. However, the women testing loved it. Almost everyone who passed the test and was accepted was a woman.

 

[jackstar7]

Just stop treating men as second class citizens. As Dave Foley said on Rogan's podcast, a lot of men simply kill themselves when put in that situation. Child support is set higher than you can possibly pay, and you're facing life in jail, the logical thing to do is kill yourself. That kid who invented RSS killed himself when the government threatened life in jail for some piracy thing. You can't put people in that situation then act shocked when they kill themselves.



The stats are fairly consist when it comes to mental health. Women are about twice as likely to suffer from depression, and men are generally happier than women (story). It seems like more than a coincidence that this suddenly flips around right after a divorce happens.



Women have pretty much always been indirectly equal to men, and sometimes superior to men. Men run the world, but men are controlled by women. Social justice warriors and internet white knights are an interesting example of this. If a woman ever needs help, 10 white knights are eager to help. Sure those men only do it because they are lonely, but they get the job done. Most men don't have that kind of power. The stereotype of the fat and ugly feminist exists for a reason. Those women don't have power.

A lot of the stuff said by feminists about voting rights is intentionally misleading. Getting women the right to vote was a huge accomplishment, and I think we all agree on that, but things start getting sketchy when feminists act like that kind of inequality always existed - where the common man could vote, but the common woman could not. The fact of the matter is that men couldn't vote either in most countries for most of our history. Even in democratic countries, voting was reserved for wealthy land owners, and female land owners did have the right to vote when that was the case. You didn't just need some land to vote. You needed quite a bit of land. A very tiny percentage of all people were allowed to vote. It's very important to understand this concept because it's the foundation of modern feminism. Women in the past had no political power, therefore, we need to treat men like shit, etc. If someone admits men didn't have power either, that whole feminist line of reasoning goes out the window.

Then I've never met a true feminist in my life. All I ever hear are ones asking for special treatment.

The UK. Do not move to the UK. Also, their police do not carry guns. That's a great combo. Female police officer with no gun. I'm sure chavs are scared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_WYGtZ7K4
Strangely, lowering the strength requirements to let tiny women be firefighters is happening at a time when obesity is becoming a huge problem, and people are heavier than they've ever been (and UK is fattest country in Europe). I'm a little chunky (5'7", 150lbs) and I really doubt that woman could carry me or even drag my limp body more than a couple feet.

Help me understand the bolded, please. How do women control men? Your example doesn't really add up because if you see someone in distress you need not be a "white knight" to help someone, especially when you make the behavior a negative (motivated by loneliness), rather than it being a civilized thing to do. And in reality few people stop to help anyone. People are reasonably self-absorbed.

This comes off as loaded with a lot of generalizations that don't add up for me as I try to approach this whole thing as objectively as I'm able.

I will say that my background is that I've had friendships or more serious relationships with a fair number of women and out of them, the vast majority had been victims of sexual assault in one form or another. Very few of the guys I am friends with have had an issue with abuse.

I don't say that to say that one is legit and one is not. Simply that in my experience male victimization is not as prevalent. I still take it just as seriously though and would not just tell a guy to "handle it" or whatever. I abhor all abusive behaviors and try to always address them when presented to me in whatever way I can oblige.

Hmm. I will continue to think on this.

 

[jackstar7]

More examples of the new "liberal" discourse.

Jackstar, are you starting to understand?

You're saying that like it's not just internet behavior. It has no political leaning. It's your own example that anonymity breeds shitheadedness.

And people who have no interest in a discussion... I mean, there's no reason to expect anything from them or take anything from them.

I avail myself of the ignore list for this reason.


To speak to your video... it's an anecdote. That means all it takes is a counter-anecdote to negate it. Here's an article: http://time.com/2949435/what-i-learned-as-a-woman-at-a-mens-rights-conference/

Honestly, all of this sounds much more like people economically screwed and then just angry and fearful. Might as well be religion on all sides.

 

[Spungo]

Help me understand the bolded, please. How do women control men?

My parents bought a house because my mom wanted a house. My friend bought a condo because his wife wanted a condo. Lots of men buy minivans because their wife wants a minivan. Men work more hours and earn more money than women, but women control a larger percentage of disposable income than men. If men were running everything, there would be an awful lot of rusted out cars on the road. Men like shiny things too, but it seems to be less important. Men, on average, seem more concerned about whether or not something works. Going back to that thing about men being happier (easier to please), it seems like a lot of men would be totally fine with using milk crates as chairs and a cable spool as a table. Try to throw out a guy's not-a-real-table. They'll seriously argue over keeping something that isn't a real table. Men don't buy stuff because men want stuff. They buy stuff because women want stuff. Advertisers don't even waste their time trying to market things to men. They know men don't care if something looks nice or smells nice.

Your example doesn't really add up because if you see someone in distress you need not be a "white knight" to help someone, especially when you make the behavior a negative (motivated by loneliness), rather than it being a civilized thing to do. And in reality few people stop to help anyone. People are reasonably self-absorbed.

How many of your male friends offered to beat the hell out of your girlfriend because your girlfriend disrespected you or hit you? I'm guessing zero. I could find dozens of men willing to kick my boyfriend's ass if he slapped me. I would probably need to talk my dad out of beating my boyfriend with a baseball bat in such a scenario. If you were hit by your girlfriend, and I mean hit hard with a frying pan or something, would any of your male friends or family members immediately jump on your girlfriend and kick her into a coma? My guess is that they wouldn't. I am a first class citizen. You are a second class citizen. Men will risk jail time to defend me. If you're in trouble, they'll tell you to "deal with it" or something equally dismissive.

I will say that my background is that I've had friendships or more serious relationships with a fair number of women and out of them, the vast majority had been victims of sexual assault in one form or another. Very few of the guys I am friends with have had an issue with abuse.

There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.

Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we all secretly openly hope she gets hit by a train)

I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.


Feminism being a hate group is why most women are not feminists. Apparently 82% of Americans do not consider themselves feminists.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...ont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/
If we assume it's close to 0% of men, and men are half the population, that 18% of all people being feminists would become about 36% of women saying they are feminists. It's a big number, but it's not a majority. I'm guessing even fewer women would identify as feminists if they actually knew what feminists do and say.

 

[MrPickins]

My parents bought a house because my mom wanted a house. My friend bought a condo because his wife wanted a condo. Lots of men buy minivans because their wife wants a minivan. Men work more hours and earn more money than women, but women control a larger percentage of disposable income than men. If men were running everything, there would be an awful lot of rusted out cars on the road. Men like shiny things too, but it seems to be less important. Men, on average, seem more concerned about whether or not something works. Going back to that thing about men being happier (easier to please), it seems like a lot of men would be totally fine with using milk crates as chairs and a cable spool as a table. Try to throw out a guy's not-a-real-table. They'll seriously argue over keeping something that isn't a real table. Men don't buy stuff because men want stuff. They buy stuff because women want stuff. Advertisers don't even waste their time trying to market things to men. They know men don't care if something looks nice or smells nice.

Lots of anecdotes, stereotypes and generalizations there.

How many of your male friends offered to beat the hell out of your girlfriend because your girlfriend disrespected you or hit you? I'm guessing zero. I could find dozens of men willing to kick my boyfriend's ass if he slapped me. I would probably need to talk my dad out of beating my boyfriend with a baseball bat in such a scenario. If you were hit by your girlfriend, and I mean hit hard with a frying pan or something, would any of your male friends or family members immediately jump on your girlfriend and kick her into a coma? My guess is that they wouldn't. I am a first class citizen. You are a second class citizen. Men will risk jail time to defend me. If you're in trouble, they'll tell you to "deal with it" or something equally dismissive.

The real question is would one of my female friends or family members kick her ass. I know a few who would.

There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.

Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we all secretly openly hope she gets hit by a train)

I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.

These are legitimate problems.

 

[Exophase]

Are there rights that men don't have that others enjoy outside of the biological? That's always been my issue with the MRA folks. I don't understand what rights have been taken away, or are otherwise lacking to them.

My outsider experience with the few MRA people I've met is that they simply have a desire to indulge in uncivilized and immature behaviors and not be shamed or otherwise reprimanded for them.

Okay, but this is all outside of the point of the question. It wasn't about what you think about MRAs or whether or not they're legitimate, it's about how the stigma behind the term is a lot like the stigma behind "SJW."

 

[jackstar7]

I gotta break this up a bit.

My parents bought a house because my mom wanted a house. My friend bought a condo because his wife wanted a condo. Lots of men buy minivans because their wife wants a minivan. Men work more hours and earn more money than women, but women control a larger percentage of disposable income than men. If men were running everything, there would be an awful lot of rusted out cars on the road. Men like shiny things too, but it seems to be less important. Men, on average, seem more concerned about whether or not something works. Going back to that thing about men being happier (easier to please), it seems like a lot of men would be totally fine with using milk crates as chairs and a cable spool as a table. Try to throw out a guy's not-a-real-table. They'll seriously argue over keeping something that isn't a real table. Men don't buy stuff because men want stuff. They buy stuff because women want stuff. Advertisers don't even waste their time trying to market things to men. They know men don't care if something looks nice or smells nice.

This is all anecdotes and what I take to be your experiences. They do not really match mine, so without I guess anthropological data to back these things up, I have no idea how common your experiences are compared to mine.

Cars and houses... I mean... what are you talking about? This is a message board for people who chase shiny tech. Almost no one here works with the "good enough" solution. That's hardly a trait exclusive to women OR men. That's a trait in people. Of course there are different kinds of people who have different thresholds for their feelings of satisfaction and security when it comes to their possessions and homes and cars and whatever... but I would bet you anything those are vastly more influenced by their socio-economic background and cultural upbringing than their sex. The American Dream is all about being aspirational and chasing more and better and faster and shinier and that certainly includes everyone without regard for their sex.

How many of your male friends offered to beat the hell out of your girlfriend because your girlfriend disrespected you or hit you? I'm guessing zero. I could find dozens of men willing to kick my boyfriend's ass if he slapped me. I would probably need to talk my dad out of beating my boyfriend with a baseball bat in such a scenario. If you were hit by your girlfriend, and I mean hit hard with a frying pan or something, would any of your male friends or family members immediately jump on your girlfriend and kick her into a coma? My guess is that they wouldn't. I am a first class citizen. You are a second class citizen. Men will risk jail time to defend me. If you're in trouble, they'll tell you to "deal with it" or something equally dismissive.

Honestly anyone making that offer better be just saying it as a gesture, otherwise those people are misguided fucking idiots. Nice intentions, maybe, but terrible fucking outcomes and so stupid short-sighted. As for my friends, they've always been honest and helpful when I talk to them about my relationships and they do offer to help me out... but I've never had to deal with someone being abusive... so I just don't fit this scenario... and so perhaps I am just living a different kind of life out in the world. I have no other way to explain the disconnect I am experiencing here.

There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.

Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we all secretly openly hope she gets hit by a train)

I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.


Feminism being a hate group is why most women are not feminists. Apparently 82% of Americans do not consider themselves feminists.
http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenint...ont-consider-themselves-feminists-poll-shows/
If we assume it's close to 0% of men, and men are half the population, that 18% of all people being feminists would become about 36% of women saying they are feminists. It's a big number, but it's not a majority. I'm guessing even fewer women would identify as feminists if they actually knew what feminists do and say.

So... yeah... there are shitty people who label themselves as feminists. Based on basically all group dynamics not all feminists are shitty though -- odds are that they are just the loudest idiots among them.

All this grouping to dismiss and dehumanize these things, trying to simplify what is a complicated and complex issue... it all gets things further and further from getting to answers. Instead... more team sports.



Oh! And what makes you say that my guy friends have been victims of abuse? Are there stats to support that? Or has data just not been collected on that subject to support or refute that notion?

 

[jackstar7]

Okay, but this is all outside of the point of the question. It wasn't about what you think about MRAs or whether or not they're legitimate, it's about how the stigma behind the term is a lot like the stigma behind "SJW."

Fair enough. I just didn't know enough about MRAs to understand the ideals behind the movement and how they are effectively buried by the few morons in that movement that end up making everyone look at men's rights as a purely negative thing. I appreciate provoking me to investigate and those who have explained a bit about it.

 

[jackstar7]

I just want to take a moment to thank everyone that's been willing to reasonably engage in this conversation. Please know that I genuinely appreciate it. It's too rare to find on the internet and even more precious in P&N and even MORE rare... in this weird thread.

 

[Blue_Max]

There's definitely a real problem with women being abused. Like you, my experience is that a disturbingly high percentage of women have been sexually assaulted in some way. Sigmund Freud found it so widespread that he concluded all female emotional problems were somehow related to sexual abuse. That issue deserves all of the attention it receives, and we should keep trying to make that better. I just think feminists are screwing it up when they bring up crap like "rape culture" and say all men are rapists. If you keep using that word, it loses all meaning. More time wasted on preventing imaginary rapes means less time can be spent preventing actual rapes.

Your guy friends probably have been victims of violence, but they never talk about it. Ever been slapped by a woman? That's domestic violence, and it's a serious problem. Has a woman ever screamed at you? Followed you around the house? Make threats about harming you, harming themselves, or calling the police? Threatening to have someone else assault you? According to the CDC, it happens a hell of a lot. If you ask men if they've been assaulted, they will say no. Ask if they've ever been slapped, and they will say yes. Ask if a girlfriend has ever thrown things at them, and some some will say yes. They'll even try to justify it, just like battered women do. "He's not abusive! He's just emotional!"
"It's my fault she called me half a man and humiliated me in front of everyone." (one of my friends has a relationship like this, and we all secretly openly hope she gets hit by a train)

I wouldn't expect feminists to bring it up since it's more a problem men face, but it's shocking how feminists actively try to shut down the conversation about this issue. Examples: calling in bomb threats to MRA meetings, pulling the fire alarm at MRA meetings, protesting MRA meetings. Can you imagine men calling in a bomb threat when women try to get together and talk about the problem of men hitting women? Those guys would be called pieces of shit, and they would be shunned. They might even be arrested. Feminists do the exact same thing and nobody cares.

These are legitimate problems.

...and yet, if they ARE legitimate problems, why are those who try to talk about it lumped with shame and called "hatemongering shitlords" for just wanting to talk about these issues? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0 (<- particularly at 3:45)
...because the feminist/SJW crowd (usually hanging together if not synonymous) want to pretend these are NOT legitimate problems or don't even exist. Google "misandry isn't real".

They also don't want public discussion about men getting the short end of the stick... ruins the narrative that only women are supposed to be the victims... keeps that publicly-funded money and social programs flowing in their direction.

 

[0roo0roo]

"Sexist gamers are losers" study is bogus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK8NwZPLqBw

TL;DR just knocks it out of the park on that one, but its not hard considering just how bad the study was.

The amount of tax money wasted on this bad agenda driven science is incredible.

complaint email...
researchintegrity@arc.gov.au

I think this is his next study, I don't know who would sign up for such a thing.
Video Games and Sexual Attitudes
http://gamingattitudes.*************/

https://archive.is/rQlcd

looks like these types have invaded "evolutionary biology"...

Harmful has a different perspective as always..

Harmful Opinion - Proof Gamers Are Sexist
Harmful Opinions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Kzy7sdb7k






Just a few of the countless outlets which reported this, first 3 tax funded...


The BBC
Video game study finds losers more likely to harass women
https://archive.is/P7LJ8

ABC AU
Male gamers who bully female players are literal losers, study finds
https://archive.is/TpNSb

CBC
Study finds men who harass women online are losers... at video games
https://archive.is/3B1dY

Washington Post
Men who harass women online are quite literally losers, new study finds
https://archive.is/x3zvK

BuzzFeed News
Study Finds Men Who Harass Women Online Are, Quite Literally, Losers
https://archive.is/zGskp

MIC
New Study Finds Men Who Harass Women Online Are Literally Losers
https://archive.is/oW687


International Business Times
Men who harass women online are losers offline study finds
https://archive.is/x0zHU

Huffington Post
Male Video Game Losers Are More Likely To Harass Women Online
https://archive.is/j9fux

Time
Study Finds That Men Who Attack Women Online Are, Literally, Losers
https://archive.is/MAhPw







and Dean Cain and Milo were on Crowder today

Milo Yiannopoulos and Dean Cain Geek Out and Talk #GamerGate || Louder With Crowder
StevenCrowder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJRtvyfBBss

SUPERMAN ACTOR DEAN CAIN ON GAMERGATE: I&#8217;M ON THE GAMERS&#8217; SIDE
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollyw...dean-cain-on-gamergate-im-on-the-gamers-side/

 

[BxgJ]

I just want to take a moment to thank everyone that's been willing to reasonably engage in this conversation. Please know that I genuinely appreciate it. It's too rare to find on the internet and even more precious in P&N and even MORE rare... in this weird thread.

I agree. Though I haven't participated, I have read most of this thread over time, and the recent discussion here is the last thing I would have expected to find.