#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[Moonbeam]

Gamergaters in a nutshell...

Short version: Gamergaters = low-ranking males who are shitty gamers and feel their social status threatened by the arrival of women in the gaming scene. Yup, they're little boys who think girls have cooties...lol! It seems that competent male gamers don't feel threatened by the arrival of women in gaming.

Gamergate, it's about little boys fear of women gamers beating them.

What this study also points out, and from which we can extrapolate so much in regard to the hostility we see in different threads in P & N, is the attempt at verbal bullying and put down that goes on in the interactions between players, the product, as I have said a million times is the result of the fact that competition is hate. Once ones status and self worth are judged by externals, how much money you have, how good you are at playing games, envy and lust and social striving from insecurity begins. The competitors without natural ability or gift acquired by skill use bullying and hostility to attempt to acquire their aims

The article put this in these words:

"In other words, like your mother always said, bullies just feel bad about themselves."

 

[KMFJD]

Gamergaters in a nutshell...

Short version: Gamergaters = low-ranking males who are shitty gamers and feel their social status threatened by the arrival of women in the gaming scene. Yup, they're little boys who think girls have cooties...lol! It seems that competent male gamers don't feel threatened by the arrival of women in gaming.

Gamergate, it's about little boys fear of women gamers beating them.

 

[Phanuel]

You can't deny that women are harassed more than men, though.

[Citation needed]

You're clearly not a gamer nor have you ever played an MMO.

Women are revered, regardless of how low skill they are.

Also, in regards to that article about women being harassed online and their example of 130ish Halo games.

As they watched the games play out and tracked the comments that players made to each other, the researchers observed that — no matter their skill level, or how the game went — men tended to be pretty cordial to each other.

El oh el? This one bit tells anyone who has ever played online all they need to know that it is complete bull.

 

[MrPickins]

[Citation needed]

You're clearly not a gamer nor have you ever played an MMO.

Women are revered, regardless of how low skill they are.

Yeah, I started with atari in the early 80's and online with MUDs in the 90's...

Yes, women are revered by some in the games, but they are often stalked and harassed by overbearing dweebs. Hell, you don't even have to be a woman, just play a female character and watch the creeps come out.

 

[Phanuel]

I've never experienced any creepy behavior, and I play female characters primarily. I'm talking over a decade at this point. Multiple MMOs, shooters, etc. I've never been hit on or offered free shit. I also don't say anything unless I have to.

If a chick is being stalked online in a game, it's because she made it perfectly clear that she was a female and wanted attention.

Why would you tell the world what sex you are if you can remain anonymous and fly under the radar?

 

[MrPickins]

I've never experienced any creepy behavior, and I play female characters primarily. I'm talking over a decade at this point. Multiple MMOs, shooters, etc. I've never been hit on or offered free shit. I also don't say anything unless I have to.

Then you're lucky or have your head in the sand, because I've seen/experienced it a ton not only with myself, but with friends in the past 20 years online.

Seriously... This is been going on so long it's pretty much a trope by now.

If a chick is being stalked online in a game, it's because she made it perfectly clear that she was a female and wanted attention.

Why would you tell the world what sex you are if you can remain anonymous and fly under the radar?

Very often they are stalked by their own guild members that find out they are female through casual conversation. Should they be forced to hide their gender or lie about it just to avoid harassment?

 

[Phanuel]

Oh, no shit? They're stalked by people THEY TOLD THAT THEY WERE FEMALE?

Alert the presses that men vie for the attention of women. And that men who are seen as repulsive are considered creepers/stalkers but men who are attractive are not.


And no, female avatars don't typically get stalked unless they say something. You've got your head in the sand or are clearly not an actual gamer. I've been online since AoL and still nothing on my end.

The actual trope is "There are no women on the internet". So if you're being harassed and stalked by men who think your'e a female, you did something to make them think that.

 

[Chiropteran]

Should they be forced to hide their gender or lie about it just to avoid harassment?

Point the first: there is no avoiding harassment, even guys get harassed in ways.

Point the second: "should they?" It is entirely their choice. Some women want the attention, so of course they should not hide their sex, while others don't want the attention, and obviously they should hide gender. It's pretty basic logic.

If X is revealed, Y might happen. I don't want Y to happen, should I reveal X or not?!

 

[MrPickins]

Oh, no shit? They're stalked by people THEY TOLD THAT THEY WERE FEMALE?

Alert the presses that men vie for the attention of women. And that men who are seen as repulsive are considered creepers/stalkers but men who are attractive are not.

Any unwanted attention is creepy. And if you think that women should be forced to hide their gender online to avoid stalking than you're part of the problem.

And no, female avatars don't typically get stalked unless they say something. You've got your head in the sand or are clearly not an actual gamer. I've been online since AoL and still nothing on my end.

Again, you're lucky. I've seen/experienced it countless times.

The actual trope is "There are no women on the internet". So if you're being harassed and stalked by men who think your'e a female, you did something to make them think that.

It's almost like there is more than one trope out there! :hmm:

Look, I'm done arguing with you about something the vast majority of people agree is true.

Point the first: there is no avoiding harassment, even guys get harassed in ways.

Point the second: "should they?" It is entirely their choice. Some women want the attention, so of course they should not hide their sex, while others don't want the attention, and obviously they should hide gender. It's pretty basic logic.

If X is revealed, Y might happen. I don't want Y to happen, should I reveal X or not?!

Victim blaming, pure and simple.

Don't want to be harassed? Be sure to filter every conversation you have to ensure that nobody can guess your gender!

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Ah yes, the old "of course you'll get harassed if people find out you're a woman, so just keep it a secret" tactic... Seems reasonable.

 

[Chiropteran]

Ah yes, the old "of course you'll get harassed if people find out you're a woman, so just keep it a secret" tactic... Seems reasonable.

Except of course the flip side- guys get harassed too. And then there is the fact that some women just love the attention and wouldn't have it any other way. So what is your idea of a solution?

 

[CitizenKain]

Oh, no shit? They're stalked by people THEY TOLD THAT THEY WERE FEMALE?

Alert the presses that men vie for the attention of women. And that men who are seen as repulsive are considered creepers/stalkers but men who are attractive are not.


And no, female avatars don't typically get stalked unless they say something. You've got your head in the sand or are clearly not an actual gamer. I've been online since AoL and still nothing on my end.

The actual trope is "There are no women on the internet". So if you're being harassed and stalked by men who think your'e a female, you did something to make them think that.

So you are saying women deserved to be stalked because they acknowledged they are women? And that they are somehow seeking attention for doing something like speaking in a Teamspeak server?

What a sad little manchild you are. Typical for a gamergate loser right there.

 

[Chiropteran]

Victim blaming, pure and simple.

You asked a question, I answered. Whether you *should* do something or not has little to do with who is at blame.

If a robber has a gun pointed at you, he is breaking the law and he isn't right to take your money, but should you hand it over? Absolutely.

"Harassment" has dozens of forms and everyone has their own opinion about it. for instance, a guy asking a girl in a game personal questions, her phone number, trying to get to know her etc- maybe the girl views it as harassment.

Flip the situation around- a single guy playing an online game, getting messages from girls in his guild asking for his phone number, or asking to meet in real life- most of the gamer types I know would love that sort of attention, and would never even remotely consider it to be harassment, even though it's the exact same thing.

So yes- if the victim is making something occur by needlessly drawing attention to themselves, they are absolutely to blame.

 

[JSt0rm]

So, if someone is physically disabled, they should be given a free pass?

Sounds like SJW talk to me...



You can't deny that women are harassed more than men, though.

I think if someone has horrible genetic problems and is horribly disfigured and has soft bones and whatever they should be allowed to look at big titties bouncing in video games.

 

[MrPickins]

You asked a question, I answered. Whether you *should* do something or not has little to do with who is at blame.

If a robber has a gun pointed at you, he is breaking the law and he isn't right to take your money, but should you hand it over? Absolutely.

Just to be clear, you're saying that women should never let their gender be known online?

"Harassment" has dozens of forms and everyone has their own opinion about it. for instance, a guy asking a girl in a game personal questions, her phone number, trying to get to know her etc- maybe the girl views it as harassment.

Flip the situation around- a single guy playing an online game, getting messages from girls in his guild asking for his phone number, or asking to meet in real life- most of the gamer types I know would love that sort of attention, and would never even remotely consider it to be harassment, even though it's the exact same thing.

As simple test to ensure that attention is not harassment: is the attention welcomed? If so, its not harassment.

So yes- if the victim is making something occur by needlessly drawing attention to themselves, they are absolutely to blame.

When outing yourself is as simple as talking on a voip server, it's hard to avoid "needlessly drawing attention to [yourself]" in the normal course of gameplay.

I think if someone has horrible genetic problems and is horribly disfigured and has soft bones and whatever they should be allowed to look at big titties bouncing in video games.

If that's all he had done, nobody would every have heard his name. Instead he facilitated the harrasment/doxxing of several people.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

So yes- if the victim is making something occur by needlessly drawing attention to themselves, they are absolutely to blame.

Needlessly drawing attention to the fact that they happen to have been born a specific sex? That's like saying I deserve to get robbed if I leave my house. It's fucking absurd.

You asked me how I would handle situations like this. I happen to be an administrator on a popular CS server that caters to a mature clientele. We get girls and women playing on the server fairly frequently, and we try to provide a welcoming environment for everyone. If a player starts harassing someone because they're a woman, that player is told in no uncertain terms that such behavior is unacceptable; if it continues, they are banned. That's it. Simple. There's no bullshit about "well maybe you shouldn't let people know you're a lady," because that's fucking ludicrous. Women have every right to enjoy a harassment-free gaming experience as men, and having the gall to blame them for calling attention to themselves would be laughable if it weren't such a tragically common occurrence. Being a woman is not "needlessly drawing attention" to one's self unless one is dealing with an asshole.

 

[Skel]

Yeah, I started with atari in the early 80's and online with MUDs in the 90's...

Yes, women are revered by some in the games, but they are often stalked and harassed by overbearing dweebs. Hell, you don't even have to be a woman, just play a female character and watch the creeps come out.

I'm always fascinated by the groups of gamers who declare people to be non-gamers, which spawns the even more interesting need to talk about how long they've been playing them to prove any credibility. You never hear anyone say they've been playing basketball since Air Jordans were first released.

 

[MrPickins]

I'm always fascinated by the groups of gamers who declare people to be non-gamers, which spawns the even more interesting need to talk about how long they've been playing them to prove any credibility. You never hear anyone say they've been playing basketball since Air Jordans were first released.

Dude, I started in Chuck Taylors.

It's true. I see it in a lot of other hobbies, but it's especially true with gamers.

 

[Chiropteran]

Just to be clear, you're saying that women should never let their gender be known online?

Nope, I didn't say that and I am not saying that.

I'm saying this. If there is some private aspect of yourself that you don't want to discuss in a given situation, don't bring it up in that situation.

Some woman do want to discuss their sex. Some love the attention, some might actually be looking for an "online boyfriend" or something. So I am obviously not telling them to keep their gender private.

But if a girl brings up gender, and then the response is gender related, then she is a god damned idiot to complain about the situation she put herself into.

As simple test to ensure that attention is not harassment: is the attention welcomed? If so, its not harassment.

Yeah, that is bullshit. You can't tell for sure if attention is welcomed or not until AFTER it has been given.

Besides, whether attention is welcomed or not is entirely a choice of the receiver. Essentially you are saying right here is that the only time there is a victim of harassment is when someone wants to be a victim. Not sure I completely disagree, but it seems contrary to your previous stance.

When outing yourself is as simple as talking on a voip server, it's hard to avoid "needlessly drawing attention to [yourself]" in the normal course of gameplay.

It's so incredibly hard to not purchase and speak into microphone, I know. The poor struggles of the modern gamer!

 

[fskimospy]

It's so incredibly hard to not purchase and speak into microphone, I know. The poor struggles of the modern gamer!

Holy shit.

'If women don't want to be harrassed online they can just never speak to anyone.'

 

[Chiropteran]

You asked me how I would handle situations like this.

So your solution is that female gamers shouldn't play anywhere except on your personal moderated CS server? What a messed up attitude. They deserve to play anywhere they want, you have no right to tell them where they can or can't play. Chauvinist pig!

 

[Chiropteran]

Holy shit.

'If women don't want to be harrassed online they can just never speak to anyone.'

Correct. Just like how an low-confidence guy with a timid voice has to do the same to avoid ridicule. Or a kid playing a game where there is a certain level of kid stigma.

Easy solution, or you can just deal with the consequences of being "harassed".

 

[MrPickins]

Nope, I didn't say that and I am not saying that.

I'm saying this. If there is some private aspect of yourself that you don't want to discuss in a given situation, don't bring it up in that situation.

Some woman do want to discuss their sex. Some love the attention, some might actually be looking for an "online boyfriend" or something. So I am obviously not telling them to keep their gender private.

But if a girl brings up gender, and then the response is gender related, then she is a god damned idiot to complain about the situation she put herself into.

So she needs to stay closeted or it's her fault.

Yeah, that is bullshit. You can't tell for sure if attention is welcomed or not until AFTER it has been given.

Besides, whether attention is welcomed or not is entirely a choice of the receiver. Essentially you are saying right here is that the only time there is a victim of harassment is when someone wants to be a victim. Not sure I completely disagree, but it seems contrary to your previous stance.

It's not harassment until it is made known that the attention is unwanted. This is the same for both sexes and is so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be mentioned.

It's so incredibly hard to not purchase and speak into microphone, I know. The poor struggles of the modern gamer!

See the lolwut image above.


You guys make it really hard to believe that GG isn't about mysogyny.

 

[JSt0rm]

If that's all he had done, nobody would every have heard his name. Instead he facilitated the harrasment/doxxing of several people.

To be clear I dont care. Its just funny that the guy exposed by sjw life is so horrible that there cant be a person alive that must know what its like to live like that. If that was me I would spend a shit ton of time online and probably have an affinity to a "gamer" culture. Anyways it was funny as hell to see this guy drooling on himself in toddler pjs as the offensive guy. lol.

 

[JSt0rm]

Correct. Just like how an low-confidence guy with a timid voice has to do the same to avoid ridicule. Or a kid playing a game where there is a certain level of kid stigma.

Easy solution, or you can just deal with the consequences of being "harassed".

You could say the same thing about gamers. They should just accept being harassed by some fembots.