#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[brycejones]

I've tried to have an actual conversation,

That's a pretty funny line. The only "conversation" you've tried to have is with those who agreed with you. Everyone else you've instantly labeled "feminist".

 

[CitizenKain]

...or maybe that it's only the same 5-6 accounts that are saying it over and over hoping to convince others despite evidence to the contrary.

I've tried to have an actual conversation, the only thing to ever come of out those said accounts is shame-and-blame tactics. No actual conversation, merely wild accusations regarding my skin colour, sexual orientation, sexual activity, weight, living arrangements, skin quality, mental health, penis size, "victim" claims, and more.

All I've done is point out your hypocrisy. :twisted:

Except you've never tried to have an actual conversation. All you do is scream and shout about feminists and parrot rightwing talking points.

 

[Nebor]

Don't let them get you down Blue_max. They only showed up in the last couple pages. The first 40 pages or so were dominated by GG supporters. I still stop by to read\watch Orooroos posts, but I don't see any point in arguing with these feminists.

 

[MrPickins]

It's really hard to convince myself that gamergate is anything other than an anti-feminist circle-jerk when anyone with that disagrees with them is labelled as one...


(as if being a feminist is a bad thing)

 

[norseamd]

It's really hard to convince myself that gamergate is anything other than an anti-feminist circle-jerk when anyone with that disagrees with them is labelled as one...

Who cares about GG. Keep in mind that I am not against GG nor do I identify as GG. What do you think of all the developers, publishers, and journalists in this debacle?

 

[MrPickins]

Who cares about GG. Keep in mind that I am not against GG nor do I identify as GG. What do you think of all the developers, publishers, and journalists in this debacle?

I think the whole thing is blown way out of proportion and is way too focused on the small fries (mostly women) instead of taking issue with the shit that the huge publishers (you know, the ones with actual clout) do to ensure good reviews.

As for feminists "taking over" gaming, look at the movie industry and tell me how well it worked there.

But mostly, I find the whole thing to be a laughable waste of time. It's entertainment media, FFS.

 

[mikeymikec]

...or maybe that it's only the same 5-6 accounts that are saying it over and over hoping to convince others despite evidence to the contrary.

Here's my "favourite" post of yours:

Hey, I'm not the one who wants to subjugate, sterilize, and/or euthanize the other gender. Not all feminists may want this, but some of their biggest leaders sure do.

It speaks volumes regarding what you consider to be fact and the quality of evidence required to back up your beliefs, as well as how much time you spend critically analysing your views, or seeking information to help critically analyse your views.

Not to mention you and Nebor stating that both of you have derived pleasure from a woman "losing their looks".

 

[blankslate]

As for feminists "taking over" gaming, look at the movie industry and tell me how well it worked there.

That point has been made before and they will ignore it as always... music has also been criticized as well and that hasn't changed the amount of music with explicit ("sexist") lyrics available.

It's also funny that there were was at least one major instance of a reviewer separating from his publisher after a low review on a game that spent advertising dollars with the publisher under questionable circumstances... which would've been a catalyst that wouldn't make people go :hmm: about some GG proponents.

But mostly, I find the whole thing to be a laughable waste of time. It's entertainment media, FFS.

Yeah, if they were really interested in ethics in journalism this clip would be a wake up call for them to expand their "official purpose" to include all journalism and not just "gaming journalism"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vZ3mWuBAbY&t=0m50s
^Chuck Todd admits that he can't call out BS fed to him by his guests...

No outrage over that because it is not salacious enough although it falls under journalism ethics and impacts everyone far more than feminists' complaints about video games.

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[DrDoug]

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Like I said, it takes a truly delusional person to have a whole bunch of people telling him he's crazy and then decide that they must all be the problem, not him.

Some crazy people claim to hear many voices talking to them. Ol' Maxi here has his crazy fine-tuned to the point that he thinks all of the voices he hears are from one person...lol!

 

[fskimospy]

Here's my "favourite" post of yours:

It speaks volumes regarding what you consider to be fact and the quality of evidence required to back up your beliefs, as well as how much time you spend critically analysing your views, or seeking information to help critically analyse your views.

Not to mention you and Nebor stating that both of you have derived pleasure from a woman "losing their looks".

Yeah but at least Nebor's just trolling people. I'm pretty sure the other guy means it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Don't let them get you down Blue_max. They only showed up in the last couple pages. The first 40 pages or so were dominated by GG supporters. I still stop by to read\watch Orooroos posts, but I don't see any point in arguing with these feminists.

You're attempting to lighten the situation with humour. That's nice of you.

 

[Nebor]

You're attempting to lighten the situation with humour. That's nice of you.

Could this situation get any lighter? You're arguing about video games and women. I'd have a hard time thinking of two things that are of less consequence or should be taken less seriously.

 

[zinfamous]

Could this situation get any lighter? You're arguing about video games and women. I'd have a hard time thinking of two things that are of less consequence or should be taken less seriously.

~51% of humanity is of little to no consequence?

:hmm:

 

[Nebor]

~51% of humanity is of little to no consequence?

:hmm:

Yes. And true on so many levels. Look at the bottom economic 51% of humanity. If they were gone tomorrow, your life would roll on with only temporary minor changes.

 

[MongGrel]

feminist!

 

[norseamd]

Alright going by the last few comments this is going to just plain go fucking nowhere.

 

[norseamd]

I think the whole thing is blown way out of proportion and is way too focused on the small fries (mostly women) instead of taking issue with the shit that the huge publishers (you know, the ones with actual clout) do to ensure good reviews.

Have you noticed that less time is spent on Zoe Quinn now then on Sarkeesian, Randi, Phil Fish, and other ones who are not small fires considering they are involving themselves as much as is possible in this political conflict.

 

[norseamd]

As for feminists "taking over" gaming, look at the movie industry and tell me how well it worked there.

But they have not taken over those industries and they are not allowed to oppress any films that are not directly supporting their dogmatic platforms.

 

[brycejones]

But they have not taken over those industries and they are not allowed to oppress any films that are not directly supporting their dogmatic platforms.

Exactly.

Honest question - what significant games have been modified at the request of these women and their supporters?

Is the next Grand Theft Auto going to be some kind of feminist love fest?

 

[norseamd]

what significant games have been modified at the request of these women and their supporters?

Honestly I am not one who is keeping track of every minor occurance in the world of mainstream games like EA, Activision-Blizzard, Take Two, Ubisoft, Etc.

One thing to note is I am fine with Bioware putting gay romances in as options as long as they are not forcing us to use them. And if they want to make niche video games with a full gay theme then I support them to do so. However I have seen lots of these "SJW" for lack of another word and also developers who suggest games like GTA need to be outlawed and prevented from being made ever anywhere. There was an interview with RPS and Blizzard where despite the general moderate tone they were lamblasted as evil misogynists and shit. So there is this major pressure and I would not be surprised if there was some movement in that direction. And also keep in mind as much violence that there is from feminists towards men sometimes there is often just as much if not more violence from feminists towards sluts, prostitutes, sexuality, etc. Sluts and prostitutes are some of the most oppressed, discrimintaed, and scapegoated of any caste, group, and label in human history. And many feminists continue to support the hate and violence towards them. And yes all those evil heels spreading their oppression throughout humanity.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/22/blizzard-on-heroes-of-the-storm-female-designs-in-mobas/

 

[DrDoug]

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However I have seen lots of these "SJW" for lack of another word and also developers who suggest games like GTA need to be outlawed and prevented from being made ever anywhere.

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This line really made me lol. Why? Because who gives a shit what a few crazy people say? Do you think a company is going to take a successful game and wreck it because a few people are calling for changes? Hit the TF2 section of SPUF and you will see endless people demanding changes in a game, not getting them and then incessantly whining about it. Hell, I bet every game forum has people demanding this or that change in the name of whatever (balance, fairness, etc...). Why the teen angst over what amounts to less than a hill of beans? By attacking these women, not only is gg is bringing attention to their demands but they are also generating sympathy for these women because of the attacks (both real and imagined). The women claim (and show) harassment and the guys call false flag to make them look bad. The problem is that people are going to see the gg attacks, see proof (or whatever) and see denial by those alleged to been the attackers.

It's lose-lose, no matter how you look at it. This whole fight with the so-called "SJW"s is nothing more than a forum fight among gamers about what features a game should, or should not, have that has spread to the internet...lol! Congratulations? It's a fruitless endeavor and a waste of time. Game companies are going to try to make what sells.

End of story.

 

[Nebor]

Alright going by the last few comments this is going to just plain go fucking nowhere.

That's a shame since this thread was so promising up until now.

 

[Blue_Max]

It speaks volumes regarding what you consider to be fact and the quality of evidence required to back up your beliefs, as well as how much time you spend critically analysing your views, or seeking information to help critically analyse your views.

You really going to deny Valerie Solanis is not one of the great heroines and shapers of the feminist movement? Your wymmmyn's studies professor is going to want to talk to you after class...

Not to mention you and Nebor stating that both of you have derived pleasure from a woman "losing their looks".

Nice try. It's a gender-neutral criticism. If I went into the public spotlight and aged ten years in only two, the criticism of it would be honest and accurate.
Additionally, it's somewhat amusing when someone who was the center of attention because they flaunted their sexuality and used it to secure unwarranted benefits - then quickly loses that attractiveness? Well, that kind of thing makes me consider karma may be real after all. Female, or male, makes no difference - could be Fabio becoming Flabbio - the comment still stands.

 

[mikeymikec]

You really going to deny Valerie Solanis is not one of the great heroines and shapers of the feminist movement? Your wymmmyn's studies professor is going to want to talk to you after class...

So a woman who identified as a radical feminist and ended up in a mental hospital is your basis for judging "almost all" feminists"? Seriously?

If I wanted to achieve a similar level of stupidity to what you wrote, I would believe that I could accurately judge "most Christians" by the actions of the Westborough Baptist Church, "most pro-gun Americans" by the actions of those who have engaged in shooting sprees, or "most Muslims" by the actions of ISIS.

Nice try. It's a gender-neutral criticism.

It wasn't intended to point out any "sexist" views of yours, it was simply was a criticism of your mean, small-mindedness of taking pleasure in another "losing their looks" with age (though it's not in any way a stretch of the imagination for you to be making a sexist statement, partly due to your use of the word "princess").

Additionally, it's somewhat amusing when someone who was the center of attention because they flaunted their sexuality and used it to secure unwarranted benefits.

WTF are you on about now? AS "flaunted her sexuality"? How about Zoe Quinn "flaunting her sexuality" by having sex with a journalist (this is "flaunting your sexuality"? Did she do it on live TV or something?) supposedly in exchange for non-existent positive game reviews?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_controversy#History

Shortly after the Steam release of Depression Quest in August 2014, Quinn's former boyfriend, Eron Gjoni, wrote a blog post, described by The New York Times as a "rambling online essay",[7] alleging, among other things, that Quinn had an affair with Kotaku journalist Nathan Grayson.[8] Quinn's detractors falsely alleged that the relationship had induced Grayson to publish a favorable review of Depression Quest.[8][9][10][11][12][13][14] Kotaku's editor-in-chief, Stephen Totilo, affirmed the existence of a relationship, but clarified that Grayson had not written anything about Quinn after the relationship had commenced and had never reviewed her games, though he did acknowledge a piece written before the two began their relationship.[10][15] Commentators both in and outside the gaming industry denounced the attacks on Quinn as misogynistic and unfounded.[5][16][17]

Here's what you originally wrote:

I chuckle to myself about how quickly Sarky is aging, and how Zoe has doubled in size over the last couple years.

 

[0roo0roo]

Internet trolling gets you everywhere...

but the usual is happening on the tag
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