#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[CitizenKain]

As I said before, the crazy gamergate people are their own worst enemy.

Normal people look at what you're doing and are horrified, because it's fucking crazy.

You say that like there is some rational sane contingent of gamergate supporters.

 

[blankslate]

For example, people make fun of people of different regions (e.g. southerners) all the time, but obviously, if you make a stereotype about a gender or race, that's a huge no-no. Why is that okay?

The difference is that supposedly people can change behaviors and learn knew things and afaik the making-fun-of-Southerners thing is about the people who refuse to stop saying racist and ignorant (particularly about science) things...

Changing Gender or race is rather hard by comparison.

The feminist gamer types are trying to tell us that women are gamers too because they're pouring money into Pop-Cap games on their phones or playing depression quest, but I don't buy it.

That's the problem... Video games are changing but they're not changing at the expense of established genres of games... just because feminists choose to criticize some games like GTA or Hitman doesn't mean that entire genres of video games are going away.

Some people either believe that or they want to act as if it will happen because it alarms people and brings out the crowd. The only way it might happen (a very small miniscule chance) is if lay-people actually pay more attention to the trolls... they are the loudest voices after all.

All it means is that some devs might experiment with less "hardcore" genres that can be played on other devices than consoles or PCs. An expansion of different genres of video games isn't harmful. Just because something is not a game I would play doesn't mean it isn't a game to someone else.

Look at movies and music. Feminists criticized those as well. It's not like Michael Bay or directors like him stopped making action movies. Music Artists still make explicit music if that is their thing...


Finally this

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I'd say that WoW's demographics are unique in the PC gaming world due to it's non-competitive nature, "everybody wins" game mechanics, non-penalizing death, etc. Oh, and the cutesy cartoon graphics.

The Sims on PC also attracted a large amount of female players, but has seen dramatic cannibalization due to their mobile versions.

I think if you looked at the people who are buying more than 1 AAA title a year, you'd find that 90% of them are men ages 12-45.

I think you'd find that the people who go and see the highest grossing movies every year are also predominantly boys/men ages 12-45, but that doesn't mean that we can't have chick flicks too. Just because someone doesn't consume the exact same media as you doesn't mean they aren't a real fan. I mean, if anyone made the claim that people who didn't see every Michael Bay movie weren't "real movie fans," we'd laugh at them and call them stupid, yet if someone doesn't buy every Call of Duty, they aren't "real gamers?" It's absurd.

Let's consider your list of strikes against WoW. Non-competitive, everybody wins nature... like Minecraft? Non-penalizing death... like Call of Duty or Halo (seriously, basically every game has a non-penalizing death, outside of hardcore games that literally do not let you continue)? Cutesy graphics... like Smash Brothers or Mario Kart? And you're being needlessly reductive when you claim that women only play cutesy games or mobile apps anyway; there are millions of women who play GTA or CoD, along with millions of men who play WoW or Flappy Bird. You're trying to set up an "us versus them" dichotomy when there isn't one, and it's descended beyond laughably insane to just plain sad.

 

[BoberFett]

You say that like there is some rational sane contingent of gamergate supporters.

It's the same as the number of sane social justice warriors.

So tell us CitizenKain, how is your headmate?

 

[Aikouka]

The difference is that supposedly people can change behaviors and learn knew things and afaik the making-fun-of-Southerners thing is about the people who refuse to stop saying racist and ignorant (particularly about science) things...

Changing Gender or race is rather hard by comparison.

I wasn't even thinking about proposed stereotypes dealing with racism or ignorance. My original thought was about more benign and silly things like faking a "southern accent". It's kind of like stereotypes that we have about what certain races eat. They are probably not unfounded, but they don't necessarily represent all people in that demographic; however, they're ultimately harmless.

Anyway, I don't think your example really works, because you would still be performing the same malignant deed: classifying an entire group of people with "evidence" (sometimes just from word of mouth) formulated by a small subset. For example, if you were to say "After the recent ruling, it's apparent that all people in Alabama are homophobes", why shouldn't I take offense since I live in Alabama and I'm not a homophobe? While you're right that it's easier to change certain things, just because I can change locations to remove myself from the group in question doesn't make the deed any more acceptable.

 

[Nebor]

I think you'd find that the people who go and see the highest grossing movies every year are also predominantly boys/men ages 12-45, but that doesn't mean that we can't have chick flicks too. Just because someone doesn't consume the exact same media as you doesn't mean they aren't a real fan. I mean, if anyone made the claim that people who didn't see every Michael Bay movie weren't "real movie fans," we'd laugh at them and call them stupid, yet if someone doesn't buy every Call of Duty, they aren't "real gamers?" It's absurd.

Let's consider your list of strikes against WoW. Non-competitive, everybody wins nature... like Minecraft? Non-penalizing death... like Call of Duty or Halo (seriously, basically every game has a non-penalizing death, outside of hardcore games that literally do not let you continue)? Cutesy graphics... like Smash Brothers or Mario Kart? And you're being needlessly reductive when you claim that women only play cutesy games or mobile apps anyway; there are millions of women who play GTA or CoD, along with millions of men who play WoW or Flappy Bird. You're trying to set up an "us versus them" dichotomy when there isn't one, and it's descended beyond laughably insane to just plain sad.

No there's not. Not even ONE million.

 

[blake0812]

No there's not. Not even ONE million.

Maybe not millions but there are millions who play video games, more or less half of that are female.

 

[Nebor]

Maybe not millions but there are millions who play video games, more or less half of that are female.

LOL just LOL.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

No there's not. Not even ONE million.

According to the publishers, CoD has an estimated 20% female audience, while GTA has a 15% female audience (source). The last CoD game sold over 19 million copies (source), so that's an estimated audience of 3.8 million women playing CoD. GTA 5 sold over 34 million copies (source), so that's an estimated audience of 5.1 million women. But I'm sure your gut feeling trumps actual sales data.

 

[Nebor]

According to the publishers, CoD has an estimated 20% female audience, while GTA has a 15% female audience (source). The last CoD game sold over 19 million copies (source), so that's an estimated audience of 3.8 million women playing CoD. GTA 5 sold over 34 million copies (source), so that's an estimated audience of 5.1 million women. But I'm sure your gut feeling trumps actual sales data.

That's not according to publishers, that's according to EEDAR, a market research firm. I googled extensively for over 40 seconds and couldn't find where they pulled those 20% and 15% numbers from, so I think it's safe to assume they're made up. It doesn't hurt that they sound totally bogus. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they looked at actual sales data but failed to account for the fact that most women buying GTA & CoD are buying it as a gift for their man.

 

[Victorian Gray]

That's not according to publishers, that's according to EEDAR, a market research firm. I googled extensively for over 40 seconds and couldn't find where they pulled those 20% and 15% numbers from, so I think it's safe to assume they're made up. It doesn't hurt that they sound totally bogus. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they looked at actual sales data but failed to account for the fact that most women buying GTA & CoD are buying it as a gift for their man.

Really? Over 40 seconds? Damn but you work hard.

 

[Nebor]

Really? Over 40 seconds? Damn but you work hard.

If it's good enough for my woman it's good enough for you jokers.

 

[Phanuel]

Maybe not millions but there are millions who play video games, more or less half of that are female.

If you're saying 50% of gamers are women, mission accomplished good sir!

Then what's the problem here? Will you be happy when 100% of gamers are women and 0% are men?

 

[werepossum]

lol +1

To be honest, this whole topic looks like a bunch of babies arguing in kindergarten. Seriously, people have actual problems all over the world. Don't these people (from both sides of this...thing) have other things to worry about in life?

tweet wars, he said that, she accused this, and so on.

Quite right. And no, we don't. This is the essence of a first world problem.

I fail to see the problem with this.

Project it out to the point that tech can realistically render breasts. We LIKE breasts. (Although most of us admittedly prefer them somewhat less than head sized.)

 

[0roo0roo]

mark cern, a developer in the industry, tries to help mend the damage that has been done, and for that he has a hitpiece written about him. I'm at a loss for words.

have any links to more of this shit?

Its so much worse then that now.
Btw its Mark Kern
"Mark E. Kern is an American video game designer best known for being team lead on the video game World of Warcraft and a founder of Red 5 Studios"

He's half asian btw.

For speaking out he's now on the blockbot list

http://bb.sarahlicity.co.uk/#Grummz
https:// storify /The_Block_Bot/16906660
Which is effectively a black list.

Even more perverse once you realize Randi Harper of the blockbot is now pushing her anti harassment initiative at the GDC. She's now teamed with Zoe Quinn of all people, queen of hell dump...

 

[0roo0roo]

https://archive.today/qZWDx

Sushilulu
The Hidden Face of Hypocrisy: Randi Harper
http://s2b20blog.mukyou.com/hidden-face-hypocrisy-randi-harper/




UBM has its hands in everything...they fund and promote the agenda

Game developers awards was another debacle with Tim Schafer literally talking through a sock puppet

https://twitter.com/JennOfHardwire/status/573333998480408576

Which of course led to his face being rubbed in the dirt over the fact that huniepop destroys his game in terms of sales and popularity

 

[0roo0roo]

@TimofLegend Mocks Women and Minorities at #GDC2015 #GamerGate #NotYourShield
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjoZK4048aM

Francis Makes a Tim Schafer Sock Puppet
boogie2988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqCTZxPjaM



Thank you @TimOfLegend! #NotYourShield #Gamergate
Queeny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8kUaTHB3Ac

The Internet's Racist and Misogynistic Harassment Campaign
Mr. Strings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeUlNpU3qgA



The GDC has lost the plot on what its about

https://twitter.com/ArsCortica/status/573480573324427265
But I guess when everyone is white you have to give lip service to "diversity" with things like gender neutral bathrooms

Games Are Porn? Gaming Treats Autism, New Clayfighters, Melty Blood Tourney + More!
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUInLgdR_60



Harvard's Humanist of the Year 2014
Sargon of Akkad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDXDrhVpCTA


Free speech on campus
Pat Condell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPHIfgFwsY


Anti #GamerGate's Simplistic View of the Gaming World - and Gaming Journalists aren't Helping
FollowTheCaptain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KzbZm_IP3Y


Δ #GamerGate Update Rollup - 03/01/2015 Δ
Bonn Ortloff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OJDlJ9ES4U


Why I May Not Renew My LootCrate Subscription
Video Culture Replay Blog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm1PvL1R5TY



GAMES are RACIST? - According to PBS
Chris Ray Gun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS37HFTyd1E



Dead Gamers Talking: Mar 04. Gawker vs Google/Battletoads/Batman/GamerGate
NEET LIFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Acb4yy8ID9M


BadgerPod GamerGate 6: Zerg Rush of Stupid
HoneyBadgerRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_9qUeY-Tos


More than a Damsel in a Dress: A Response
KiteTales
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJihi5rB_Ek



Anti's are spinning out of control..
Brianna had "coffee" with someone unacceptable to her side

 

[0roo0roo]

which she instantly walked back

Pixelgoth got suspended or deleted...

On why TB renamed himself for a laugh recently...

https://archive.today/qquxx

 

[0roo0roo]

https://twitter.com/Chriss_m/status/572844120684826624

clickbait culture.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/peter-oborne/why-i-have-resigned-from-telegraph

And even Dan Savage is catching on?

I guess its harder to lie while under oath...

And another example of the ridiculousness of the "blockbot"
http://bb.sarahlicity.co.uk/#_icze4r

Yes..."cankerboot", "blockbyid"?
Level 1 dangerous anti social justice criminal!

 

[blake0812]

If you're saying 50% of gamers are women, mission accomplished good sir!

Then what's the problem here? Will you be happy when 100% of gamers are women and 0% are men?

I have no problem with women playing video games at all. I certainly wouldn't have a problem if it were 100% women.

 

[Nebor]

I have no problem with women playing video games at all. I certainly wouldn't have a problem if it were 100% women.

If someone said the same thing about 100% men playing video games, it'd get retweeted all over the place by these femenist lunatics. Pretty sure you're just an idiot though.

 

[Nebor]

Pretty good content in those massive dumps today. Good to see the feminist side of this thing going after each other.

 

[blake0812]

If someone said the same thing about 100% men playing video games, it'd get retweeted all over the place by these femenist lunatics.

I agree wholeheartedly.

Pretty sure you're just an idiot though.

How so? I think we're not on the same page here. Either that or i'm confused by what you mean. I'm not against women in gaming, but I do not agree with those crazed lunatic feminists. I am in fact Pro Gamergate.

 

[blake0812]

She's now teamed with Zoe Quinn of all people, queen of hell dump...

I'm glad you brought that up, this is something alot of people don't seem to know. The one that cried victim the most was the one that helped drive two people to suicide.

 

[norseamd]

Holy shit. Just wow.

This is just total bullshit. How could you even make this shit up.

This dumbass is a total fake human and I doubt there is any need to be around this festering shitpile.

Cue the bullshit.

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