#Gamergate, the war on nerds, and the corruption of the left and the free press

[KMFJD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oqyrflOQFc

Don't forget to ignore the genuinely-feminist professor who debunks all your bullshit!

 

[fskimospy]

What's funny is I'm sure the gamergate people LOVED Colbert before he said they were nuts. Now I'm sure he is the enemy too.

 

[brycejones]

What's funny is I'm sure the gamergate people LOVED Colbert before he said they were nuts. Now I'm sure he is the enemy too.

Colbert only said that because "they" got to him. The feminazi oppressor complex strikes again!

 

[Victorian Gray]

 

[blankslate]

but sometimes it's mindbogglingly low...

http://tumblr.maxofs2d.net/post/112394164922

https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=claiming from:_roguest4r&src=typd


in other words "No we don't harrass people that's bullshit... prepare to get harrased..."


or another way "Hey asshole why are you spreading lies that I use too much profanity you fucking fucker!"


I'm sure people can dredge up examples of tweets like this directed at those who are sympathetic to gg...

It is supporting evidence to the statement that there is just too much BS noise being propagated that no meaningful conversation can be had....


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[Harabec]

To be honest, this whole topic looks like a bunch of babies arguing in kindergarten. Seriously, people have actual problems all over the world. Don't these people (from both sides of this...thing) have other things to worry about in life?

tweet wars, he said that, she accused this, and so on.

 

[brycejones]

To be honest, this whole topic looks like a bunch of babies arguing in kindergarten. Seriously, people have actual problems all over the world. Don't these people (from both sides of this...thing) have other things to worry about in life?

tweet wars, he said that, she accused this, and so on.

But its about ethics in gaming journalism.

 

[mikeymikec]

To be honest, this whole topic looks like a bunch of babies arguing in kindergarten. Seriously, people have actual problems all over the world. Don't these people (from both sides of this...thing) have other things to worry about in life?

Perhaps, but bear in mind that this is a very common criticism of any argument position that the person doing the criticising doesn't like.

tweet wars, he said that, she accused this, and so on.

This is basically gamergate in a nutshell. It started with a false accusation and has gone completely meta since then (or "up its own arse" if people prefer that description!).

 

[Smoblikat]

To be honest, this whole topic looks like a bunch of babies arguing in kindergarten. Seriously, people have actual problems all over the world. Don't these people (from both sides of this...thing) have other things to worry about in life?

tweet wars, he said that, she accused this, and so on.

No they dont, thats why we are witnessing a multiple month war about video games.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Sorry, but most will file this under the "who gives a shit" folder. A bunch of manchildren and bitchy women, with anger issues, who spend all day gaming in their parents basement having a social media flame war, shocking! ... afraid this is going to transform gaming as we know it or other such nonsense.

 

[MrPickins]

A vision of the future from sweden...
https://archive.today/C5y9o

Which is basically what Anita is pushing now

I fail to see the problem with this.

 

[blake0812]

As I said before, the crazy gamergate people are their own worst enemy.

Normal people look at what you're doing and are horrified, because it's fucking crazy.

Asking for journalists to disclose their personal relationships with developers is crazy? it's not much to ask for, really.

 

[brycejones]

Asking for journalists to disclose their personal relationships with developers is crazy? it's not much to ask for, really.

Oh you buy the "its about ethics in games journalism" line?

 

[fskimospy]

Asking for journalists to disclose their personal relationships with developers is crazy? it's not much to ask for, really.

That has little to nothing to do with what Gamergate is about.

For most people I think it's just the fascination with watching the train wreck at this point.

 

[sm625]

Zuckergerg isnt and never was a nerd. Facebook wasnt some great geek invention. It was just a pathetic copy of an existing scam which was then marketed as a means to make money off of selling people's personal information. It was always just a scam. Everyone ever involved with facebook in any way is a moron who deserves everything they get. People who use facebook are the same people who would just line up to march into a gas chamber. You dont give a company your personal information for them to make billions off of. You just. dont. do. it. No matter how enticing their product is, it isnt worth it. People cant understand that, just like they cant understand where all the jobs went. They cant understand why we're spending $15k per student and yet education is swirling the drain. They cant understand what makes the healthcare system fail. They cant understand anything that should be common sense. So the scamming and looting just gets bigger and bigger until one day this massive edifice comes crashing down on all our heads. Then everyone is stuck paying for their stupidity.

 

[Aikouka]

That has little to nothing to do with what Gamergate is about.

For most people I think it's just the fascination with watching the train wreck at this point.

GamerGate is about the lunacy of people attempting to define a "movement" by the loudest proponents that use a goddamn Twitter hashtag. There are a good number of people that are very much on the side of fixing the ethics in gaming journalism; however, I've also heard comments from the same people that they do not want to be associated with GamerGate because of said lunacy.

Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with disclosing any personal relationships that people might consider to have an influence. At worst, no one ends up caring, but there's no possibility for an ethics issue, and at best, you're painting a very clear picture. TotalBiscuit made a good remark about it in a Q&A recording that I listened to earlier. Essentially, he did a paid promotion with Guns of Icarus last year, and the developers ended up sending him a Christmas gift. That's not a huge deal in regard to Guns of Icarus, but his comment was, "What about their next game?" He stated that he'll have to disclose the gift because it can create a bias.

As for the whole girls in gaming argument, I'll be pretty clear that I think the culture in our country is a little excessive when it comes to being politically correct. What I dislike is the idea of doing something strictly for the sake of being PC/diverse rather than just giving the person a bit of artistic freedom to create their game regardless of whatever genders and/or sexual orientations they end up with. Unfortunately, we've also seen some cases where publishers are the ones who strong arm (or attempt to strong arm) developers into specific genders, races, and/or sexualities. I know there was that one recent adventure game where Square-Enix was the first publisher that let them have creative control to keep their female protagonist.

As for the presentations on female representation in games, I think that some of the opinions are a bit overblown as they're usually based upon a small "feature" or a short scene that has no real bearing on the game. It's like saying that seeing Kate Winslet's breast for a few seconds in Titanic made the three hour movie a detriment to teens everywhere. (It was rated PG-13 instead of the R rating that one might assume for nudity.)

 

[brycejones]

Zuckergerg isnt and never was a nerd. Facebook wasnt some great geek invention. It was just a pathetic copy of an existing scam which was then marketed as a means to make money off of selling people's personal information. It was always just a scam. Everyone ever involved with facebook in any way is a moron who deserves everything they get. People who use facebook are the same people who would just line up to march into a gas chamber. You dont give a company your personal information for them to make billions off of. You just. dont. do. it. No matter how enticing their product is, it isnt worth it. People cant understand that, just like they cant understand where all the jobs went. They cant understand why we're spending $15k per student and yet education is swirling the drain. They cant understand what makes the healthcare system fail. They cant understand anything that should be common sense. So the scamming and looting just gets bigger and bigger until one day this massive edifice comes crashing down on all our heads. Then everyone is stuck paying for their stupidity.

Wrong thread? but also WTF? Never mind, this post is crazy enough for the gamergate thread.

 

[Nebor]

That has little to nothing to do with what Gamergate is about.

For most people I think it's just the fascination with watching the train wreck at this point.

I dislike the people on both sides, but for different reasons. The fact that there are hundreds of people out there spending literally all day, every day to keep both sides of this thing going pisses me off a little bit. All the people from both sides could probably do with a good beating with a 3 foot piece of 5/8" heater hose.

 

[Aikouka]

I dislike the people on both sides, but for different reasons. The fact that there are hundreds of people out there spending literally all day, every day to keep both sides of this thing going pisses me off a little bit. All the people from both sides could probably do with a good beating with a 3 foot piece of 5/8" heater hose.

I can't really blame you. It's hard to not follow gaming news and see some of this from time to time. I don't watch many of the videos, but the worst had to be this video where this person's biggest problem had to be the fact that those "Gamers Are Dead" articles said mean things about gamers. So, in return, that person wanted an apology from the author(s). I don't get why someone would get so worked up about something as silly as that. If someone wants to profess that gamers are all "basement-dwellers", then let them show off their stupidity for the world to see.

 

[MrPickins]

I can't really blame you. It's hard to not follow gaming news and see some of this from time to time. I don't watch many of the videos, but the worst had to be this video where this person's biggest problem had to be the fact that those "Gamers Are Dead" articles said mean things about gamers. So, in return, that person wanted an apology from the author(s). I don't get why someone would get so worked up about something as silly as that. If someone wants to profess that gamers are all "basement-dwellers", then let them show off their stupidity for the world to see.

That wasn't even what the articles were about. They were about the fact that the stereotype of the gamer as an immature neck-bearded basement-dweller is over.

A big part of the problem is that people either lacked reading comprehension or they identify with the stereotype and are perpetuating it by example.

 

[blake0812]

Oh you buy the "its about ethics in games journalism" line?

Sure I do, there's no hard evidence that gamergate isn't about ethics. Considering that the Escapist, IGN, and other video game media sites revamped their ethics policy supports the cause.

 

[Aikouka]

That wasn't even what the articles were about. They were about the fact that the stereotype of the gamer as an immature neck-bearded basement-dweller is over.

Article:

It’s young men queuing with plush mushroom hats and backpacks and jutting promo poster rolls. Queuing passionately for hours, at events around the world, to see the things that marketers want them to see. To find out whether they should buy things or not. They don’t know how to dress or behave. Television cameras pan across these listless queues, and often catch the expressions of people who don’t quite know why they themselves are standing there.

‘Games culture’ is a petri dish of people who know so little about how human social interaction and professional life works that they can concoct online ‘wars’ about social justice or ‘game journalism ethics,’ straight-faced, and cause genuine human consequences. Because of video games.

...

“Gamer” isn’t just a dated demographic label that most people increasingly prefer not to use. Gamers are over. That’s why they’re so mad.

These obtuse shitslingers, these wailing hyper-consumers, these childish internet-arguers -- they are not my audience. They don’t have to be yours. There is no ‘side’ to be on, there is no ‘debate’ to be had.

If I understand the complaints correctly, the issue that people have is that the negative remarks above are painted with such a large brush that it includes people who aren't a part of the vitriol. My use of the wording "basement-dwellers" is simply to use a typical gamer stereotype. If I wanted to make it worse, I would've added Mountain Dew-guzzling and Hot Pocket-engulfing. Anyway, from what I understood, the people took offense to some of the statements, and they wanted an apology. So, my point is to just call people out on their stereotypical remarks and let the public see them for who they are.

That brings up an interesting question. Why is it okay to make stereotypical remarks about certain groups of people but not others? For example, people make fun of people of different regions (e.g. southerners) all the time, but obviously, if you make a stereotype about a gender or race, that's a huge no-no. Why is that okay?

 

[Nebor]

The reality is that most gamers fit the gamer stereotype. But now you have a bunch of feminists saying that there are tons of girls playing games too (not true outside of the casual\phone gaming market) and that games need to cater to them. And oh by the way, those stereotypical long time gamers are misogynistic jerks because they don't want their games changed to appease an audience that doesn't actually exist.

 

[waggy]

The reality is that most gamers fit the gamer stereotype. But now you have a bunch of feminists saying that there are tons of girls playing games too (not true outside of the casual\phone gaming market) and that games need to cater to them. And oh by the way, those stereotypical long time gamers are misogynistic jerks because they don't want their games changed to appease an audience that doesn't actually exist.

I disagree. I play many games. On all of them There are mmany females. Hell the leader of my last guild in wow was a women. We had about 20% of the roster as female.

I would say the "avarage" gamer has changed too. It seem smost of the people i talk with on WoW are 35+ proffesionals who work all day.

 

[Nebor]

I disagree. I play many games. On all of them There are mmany females. Hell the leader of my last guild in wow was a women. We had about 20% of the roster as female.

I would say the "avarage" gamer has changed too. It seem smost of the people i talk with on WoW are 35+ proffesionals who work all day.

I'd say that WoW's demographics are unique in the PC gaming world due to it's non-competitive nature, "everybody wins" game mechanics, non-penalizing death, etc. Oh, and the cutesy cartoon graphics.

The Sims on PC also attracted a large amount of female players, but has seen dramatic cannibalization due to their mobile versions.

I think if you looked at the people who are buying more than 1 AAA title a year, you'd find that 90% of them are men ages 12-45.

The feminist gamer types are trying to tell us that women are gamers too because they're pouring money into Pop-Cap games on their phones or playing depression quest, but I don't buy it.