[gamegpu.ru] Tomb Raider Benchmarks GPU / CPU

[MeldarthX]

Huh? If you're talking performance differences, let's face it - that will happen sometimes. However with regard to stability which is apparently a big issue - I kinda think that developers should look out for PC gamers as a whole. For their customers it shouldn't be a matter of what hardware they have, they should have a stable gameplay experience regardless of what brand GPU they have.

Now performance differences will happen. I'm referring to crashes and stability issues, I don't for a second think that is good for anyone. Square Enix should look out for their customers as a whole with extensive play testing IMO.....the fact that all GTX 600 cards are crashing periodically in the game, I find that to be an incredible failing on the part of Square Enix. This should not happen. Regardless of which GPU brand sponsors the title!

I see your point Blackened; but at the same point when this has and does happen in the past with Nvidia most didn't blame the gaming company but AMD/ATI for their drivers fault.

Now Nvidia's playing catch up its now the game companies fault? They developed it on AMD's hardware; worked with AMD *which people bitched about for years for them to do* to bring features that's not vendor locked unlike another company we know for a fact would of vendor locked it. Yet Square's the bad guy.

This will be fixed - its not going to be polorize the market as such but Nvidia's now playing by the rules they set for years.


Now for those that seem to be a bit surprised as core usage goes up better AMD's cpus do really shouldn't be; because its not relying on the highest IPS to brute force......threads IPS comes more into its own.

 

[boxleitnerb]

All is not fine since Nvidia users experience crashed and graphics glitches when tessellation and/or vsync is enabled. There is still room for improvement in that department. But performance wise there seem to be no particular problems.

I don't know what gamegpu.ru benchmarked, I don't understand Russian. I rather trust PCGH because they document everything so well, from the benchmark scene to used boost clocks.

 

[KompuKare]

Strange I looked at PCGH yesterday when the article was up but missed the benchmarks. Did they only post them today? Anyway, don't PCGH do CPU scaling too? They certainly did for Crysis3; guess it's coming. Still, could be worse: computerbase's 'test' was not much more than a press release.

 

[Souv]

NVIDIA GPU Performance Issues in the new Tomb Raider
The new Tomb Raider reboot was released last night, and has so far been praised as a good game that brings back that nostalgia of the old Tomb Raider games. However, in our testing today, we have become aware of performance issues on NVIDIA GPUs while playing this game. We reached out to NVIDIA for answers and some information for you if you are experiencing slower than expected performance, it is not just you. We asked NVIDIA what the best driver for the game is right now, and NVIDIA's response is as follows:

"Hi Brent. You can try using the latest beta driver however, please note that we are aware of major performance and stability issues with GeForce GPUs running Tomb Raider with maximum settings. Unfortunately, NVIDIA didn't receive final code until this past weekend which substantially decreased stability, image quality and performance over a build we were previously provided. We are working closely with Crystal Dynamics to address and resolve all game issues as quickly as possible. In the meantime, we would like to apologize to GeForce users that are not able to have a great experience playing Tomb Raider, as they have come to expect with all of their favorite PC games."

We then followed up asking about an ETA for the new driver, and got this response:

"Hi Brent, this isn't solely a driver issue. The developer needs to make some changes on their end to fix their issues on GeForce GPUs. This will require code changes to the game."

So there you go, it is not only going to take a driver update, but also a patch update for the game to get the most out of NVIDIA GeForce GPUs. I myself am experiencing slow performance, (R.E. 20's FPS) with GTX 680 SLI at maxed out in-game settings, with FXAA. There is definitely a performance issue that needs resolving. The only thing you can do right now, if you are experiencing slow performance, is turn TressFX off, back to Normal, and try lowering in-game setting, starting with SSAO, to try and improve performance. We will have a full evaluation of this game, and its performance and IQ next week with tips on how to get the most out of it performance wise.


(after all these talks PCGH showing nvi performing neck and neck!!!haa it's again the same old underhand magic hmm///)

 

[boxleitnerb]

Strange I looked at PCGH yesterday when the article was up but missed the benchmarks. Did they only post them today? Anyway, don't PCGH do CPU scaling too? They certainly did for Crysis3; guess it's coming. Still, could be worse: computerbase's 'test' was not much more than a press release.

They posted it just today, yes.

 

[sontin]

So according to PCGH, NV has no problems with Tomb Raider, so they won't have to blame the game's poor code (requiring a patch) or their lack of driver support because its a GE title. All is fine?

That game is crushing left and right and the performance in the game benchmark is way to low. So, right there is no game problem with nVidia cards...

BTW: After Hitman and Sleeping Dogs is now the third time that AMD optimized for an internal benchmark in a "Gaming Evolved" title. Wow, so they really starting to cheat their way to the top.

 

[Gikaseixas]

what was nvidia doing all this time? Optimizing for both?

 

[sontin]

I think they don't care about the internal benchmarks.

In Sleeping Dogs the last scene in the house runs much better in the game than in the benchmark. Hitman's internal benchmark giving AMD cards a advantage over nVidia. Real ingame benchmarks on the other hand showing not even the same result.

It seems that AMD is pushing that kind of cheat to show that they are faster.

 

[Silverforce11]

It seems that AMD is pushing that kind of cheat to show that they are faster.

Indeed, it seems like AMD is up to dirty tricks! Those evil tricksters!!

Its not even halloween yet...

 

[g3n3ticlyg3nius]

I think they don't care about the internal benchmarks.

In Sleeping Dogs the last scene in the house runs much better in the game than in the benchmark. Hitman's internal benchmark giving AMD cards a advantage over nVidia. Real ingame benchmarks on the other hand showing not even the same result.

It seems that AMD is pushing that kind of cheat to show that they are faster.

And they are no Nvidia optimized games ?

Talk about cheating !

 

[boxleitnerb]

Generally optimizing for a game and specifically optimizing for a benchmark (in a game) are two very different things.

 

[g3n3ticlyg3nius]

I don't see what the hue and cry is about.

When Physx came out, it was totally proprietary. It still is.

Now AMD comes out with something that's better optimized to run on their cards,

It's cheating.

Lord save me !

 

[boxleitnerb]

No that is not what was said and you know it. Read more carefully.

 

[Souv]

linus tech tips crysis 3 bench-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S9qrWh20QU

.....amd wins the deal

amd on forward note-
Forward+ Push for DirectCompute, OpenCL Full GPGPU capabilities, including FP64.



Kepler often gets killed by Fermi Unhindered GPU overclocking, overvolting. GPUs scale with high settings/AA/resolutions
TressFX
(better in fp64,bitcoin mining,direct compute applications than kepler way overpriced counterparts........as gcn is balance in between both gaming and scientific uses with better compute power)


a gamer on geforce forum rightly talks on nv crap-


TXAA - artificially locked to Kepler (seriously? ) 4 supported titles so far. Blur incurred still unacceptable to most users. Performance issues.


PhysX - remains fringe technology after all these years. 1-2 titles per year. Borderlands 2, F2P Hawken and ...?


hell even 7870 beating hungarian overpriced gtx 680....shame on nvi,so much their false & money looting hype in toilet paper...forum rules restricting me to use slangs on those nvidiots

 

[Imouto]

Souv dude, you're embarrassing yourself with every single post.

Stop it, I'm begging you.

 

[DiogoDX]

I think they don't care about the internal benchmarks.

In Sleeping Dogs the last scene in the house runs much better in the game than in the benchmark. Hitman's internal benchmark giving AMD cards a advantage over nVidia. Real ingame benchmarks on the other hand showing not even the same result.

It seems that AMD is pushing that kind of cheat to show that they are faster.

Wow.

Anandtech: biult in benchmark (chinatown level)

Harwarecanucks: in game test (terminus level)

 

[joszkobroda666]

I found a better article than the one on gamegpu.ru - just look HERE: Compare 20 GPU in Tomb Raider.

 

[Souv]

I found a better article than the one on gamegpu.ru - just look HERE: Compare 20 GPU in Tomb Raider.

after all these benches on different games funny thing is nvi will still charge way higher prices and apple like nvidiots will go and buy faithfully :whiste:

 

[boxleitnerb]

Are you able to discuss like an adult or can you only troll and call people names?

 

[Silverforce11]

Are you able to discuss like an adult or can you only troll and call people names?

And you are a bit quick to throw around accusations of cheating, no?

Benches vary depending on rig and reviews, nothing new. Lets see what [H] comes up with, or TPU or AT etc, other reputable sites.

The interesting thing to see here is that TressFX incurs a 28% perf hit across all gpus, that seems like its in the same ballpark as MSAA hit in deferred rendering games.

 

[boxleitnerb]

And you are a bit quick to throw around accusations of cheating, no?

Benches vary depending on rig and reviews, nothing new. Lets see what [H] comes up with, or TPU or AT etc, other reputable sites.

The interesting thing to see here is that TressFX incurs a 28% perf hit across all gpus, that seems like its in the same ballpark as MSAA hit in deferred rendering games.

That was sontin, not me. I never said a word about cheating.

 

[tviceman]

That was sontin, not me. I never said a word about cheating.

I'll say it then. BOTH COMPANIES CHEAT one way or another. Right now AMD is getting more high profile titles to the market than Nvidia so little things here and there (like built in benchmarks, GPU vendor not getting final code until the game is a week from coming out) add up to make one particular set of GPU's look unusually better than the other set of GPU's. The people who bitched in 2008-2009-2010 about TWIMTBP being cheating should now be saying the exact same things about GE sponsored games, because the exact same things are happening with a reversal of roles. But hypocrites will be hypocrites.

 

[The Alias]

I'll say it then. BOTH COMPANIES CHEAT one way or another. Right now AMD is getting more high profile titles to the market than Nvidia so little things here and there (like built in benchmarks, GPU vendor not getting final code until the game is a week from coming out) add up to make one particular set of GPU's look unusually better than the other set of GPU's. The people who bitched in 2008-2009-2010 about TWIMTBP being cheating should now be saying the exact same things about GE sponsored games, because the exact same things are happening with a reversal of roles. But hypocrites will be hypocrites.

TBH it doesn't even matter if one company cheats or the other the only thing that matters is when the game comes out, who gives the better experience . These video cards are for gaming and if you can't play the titles you want to on launch day and have to wait because of a video card then it may be time to switch whether it's nvidia or amd .

 

[Souv]

I'll say it then. BOTH COMPANIES CHEAT one way or another. Right now AMD is getting more high profile titles to the market than Nvidia so little things here and there (like built in benchmarks, GPU vendor not getting final code until the game is a week from coming out) add up to make one particular set of GPU's look unusually better than the other set of GPU's. The people who bitched in 2008-2009-2010 about TWIMTBP being cheating should now be saying the exact same things about GE sponsored games, because the exact same things are happening with a reversal of roles. But hypocrites will be hypocrites.

bribing crytek 2 million dollars,tesellation 17% hit on thier own cards for 30% hit in radeons in cry2,arkham asylum aa lock for radeons ...the list of cheatery goes on for nvi
amd has not cheat atleast on their own customers as tesellation hit ,etc...gcn has better compute power than kepler and as a result getting higher fps in dirt showdown,hitman,TR,nexuiz,selitev2,etc etc as simple as that.....nvi been cheating since days forlong and first caught in 2003 by skewing 3d marks heavily and since then the trend follows...

http://gamingbolt.com/rumour-crytek-was-paid-money-to-delay-support-of-directx-11-for-crysis-2

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1087045

http://www.aggressivewarriors.com/showthread.php?tid=4146

http://www.androidauthority.com/jen-hsun-huang-nvidia-intel-68612/

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33626

http://www.semiaccurate.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-839.html

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...rove-that-the-geforce-gtx-590-is-the-fastest/

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=N...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

(and the nv cheat list goes on and on-they do anti-consumer marketing and real-time gpu marketing mafias/mofos)

 

[VulgarDisplay]

I'll say it then. BOTH COMPANIES CHEAT one way or another. Right now AMD is getting more high profile titles to the market than Nvidia so little things here and there (like built in benchmarks, GPU vendor not getting final code until the game is a week from coming out) add up to make one particular set of GPU's look unusually better than the other set of GPU's. The people who bitched in 2008-2009-2010 about TWIMTBP being cheating should now be saying the exact same things about GE sponsored games, because the exact same things are happening with a reversal of roles. But hypocrites will be hypocrites.

Just like we should all be saying Nvidia has horrible drivers now that the shoe is on the other foot.