So, because it wasn't technically rape, somehow *I* suck as a human being? Puh-leeeze.
no, you suck as a human being because it was rape and you're failing to empathize with that fact
She didn't just put herself in the situation. She consented and never revoked consent. This isn't The Butterfly Effect.
Either you're sociopathic, trolling, in massive denial, or are just straight up ignorant, maybe a combination of any or some others I might be missing. Sansa never consented to Ramsay's sexual advances, she never needed to revoke any consent because she never gave it. Then her cries of obvious trauma/distress would be enough to convince any jury with any shred of human empathy. Even the dehumanized Reek could see what you fail to.
The assault happened AFTER the scene in question, AFTER the idiots screaming "RAPE!," AFTER the politicians calling for boycotts. If the argument is whether that was rape then or not, it's kinda hard to consider such things.
no, she was raped in that scene and apparently many times after, at best the writers simply failed to convey that fact for people as apparently dense as you
the people calling for boycotts are likely hypocrites for failing to do the same to the crimes enacted upon Theon that are just as bad if not worse, or any of the other horrible things that happen to many other characters in this universe. If anything Sansa hasn't suffered nearly as bad as those who have had it the worst. Heck, this episode (7) is an excellent example of that fact when Theon/Reek shares that what Sansa is experiencing can get
much worse...
She consented and had not revoked her consent by the end of the episode in question and yet you and others were screaming "RAPE!"
wrong, and now it seems possible that your position might simply be one of severe overreaction. I'm not screaming "RAPE!", I'm simply
acknowledging that she got raped. I have no more problem with Sansa getting raped than I had with Theon being brutally tortured.
As far as you know it was every bit as undesirable as she expected and agreed to except for the obviously unexpected presence of Theon.
again, it is entirely possible to consent to rape. If someone presents you with the option of death or sex, not choosing death is not the same as consenting to lawful sex.
If it wasn't technically rape, it wasn't legally rape.
except it was rape, and would legally be rape in our society, although not most of Westeros (although some more civilized characters such as Tyrion would see it for what it really was)
The only way to compare it to our legal system as so many have tried to do is if there were an expectation of intercourse with the choice of marrying him, which could be in a written contract for all I care. It wouldn't be rape in our courts either.
yes it would. In modern society, husbands and wives do not owe each other sex. That simple fact is what people are empathizing with, and some are simply too fragile to be watching Game of Thrones.
For the record, beating your wife is an entirely different crime. Every sexual encounter they have after that can be construed as rape, but that was not a factor in the wedding night no matter how much you wish it were.
this is where you fail to recognize the story being told here, I can only hope its because you are dense and/or in denial to try and protect yourself from imagining the horror of the truth; Sansa was raped, plain and simple, shit happens in this horrible world of Westeros, and Theon is right, it could be worse.
Think about this: if they never showed a single frame of that wedding night scene and we jumped straight to what we see in last night's episode with the spoken implication that they consummated with Theon's forced presence, would we have politicians calling for a boycott? Such BS from sensitive idiots. "Waaaaah! I can't stand to witness unfortunate things happening to a character on a fictional TV show so I'm going to pretend that it means there is something wrong with the show, those who produce the show, and those who don't boycott it along with me! Oh! And I'm also going to FORCE people to agree that it was rape even though it wasn't by any legal definition!"
this is where I think you're pretty badly screwed up, because now it seems like you're in denial that it was rape simply because you're upset with the fact that other people are irrationally upset with it. I'm not upset with it in that way, not at all. Does it suck that Sansa got raped? Sure, I wasn't enjoying that scene, but it happened, and for better or worse it will affect her character moving forward. Sometimes characters just up and die without doing something great like we expect them to (Ned, Renly, Robb, Oberyn...) Sansa getting raped is something I find far less objectionable than Catelyn getting her throat slit after watching her son get murdered right after his pregnant wife (and every other man/woman supporting house Stark)
It was every bit as disturbing as a rape scene, but it wasn't rape. When Edward Norton's character curb-stomped the guy in American History X, it was disturbing, but it wasn't rape (that happened later). Add pragmatic though undesirable consensual sex to it and it doesn't make it "rape."
see its hard to get a read on you, maybe you're just caught up in the semantics of legality, when the simple fact of the matter is that it was and has been made crystal clear that Sansa was
not ok with Ramsay's advances, and any level of consent she had previously given or implied no longer applied.
Once again, this isn't The Butterfly Effect. She was given ANOTHER out just before the wedding. She didn't take it.
Once again, she didn't know she was going to be assaulted on her wedding night. Awkward/uncomfortable sex is not the same thing as sexual
assault.
There was nothing clearly unexpected about the wedding night except Theon's presence, which does not make it "rape." As far as you or I knew, everything else from that night was within her expectations of Ramsay when she agreed to marry/consummate. Got it? You cannot call it "rape." Stop trying so hard. You sound desperate.
not consenting to Ramsay's sexual commands/advances when the time came is all that is necessary for it to be rape when Ramsay then proceeded to take her without that consent. Sex isn't something you sit down and agree to before having it and then there is no take-backs after that "handshake", if you're thrown a curve ball like surprise buttsex...oh but you already "consented", your ass is mine now!
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