game cube production halted

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: SSP

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: SSP

lol!

Well after trying all three, I want..... all three!! Well, realistically only Xbox and a PS2. PS2 has the best soccer game known to man kind (winning eleven) and Xbox has boobies.... but I can afford neither at the moment (its an expensive addiction for a university student ).

Yea I want all 3 too. I guess I could afford all 3 if I really wanted but I don't think I'd ever play it enough to justify the purchases. The best soccer game known to mankind was World Cup Soccer for the NES (iirc it was called WCS) - it was the one where you could do special powerup bicycle kicks that were unstoppable. Slide tackling people on ice sent them flying across the field, it was the most bad ass soccer game I've ever played

Ok, I mean modern games, not dinosaur games!

I was never in to soccer in the nes days.

You play WCS once and you'll never play Winning 11 or whatever it's called ever again JK, but WCS was like the first NBA Jam of sports games, and the funnest one imho to boot. International Superstar Soccer 64 for the N64 was a pretty good soccer game, other than the magnet ball that stuck to the players.

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: AunixM3

Originally posted by: HiTek21
oh man i hope nintendo doesn't go the way Sega did.

Hahah! That will never happen. Their GameBoy is the number one selling console (albeit handheld) in the world. They'll never pull a Sega.

/me loves his GameCube

~Aunix

 

[orion7144]

I know a developer/production mangager that used to work for Nintendo (helped design the N64 and GC). He is now part of the XBox developement team and loving life.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

I told you guys the Gamecube was going to fail.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=975799&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=arc

 

[Regs]

I had little faith with Game Cube. Considering how much software support the original PS one got, I had no doubts the PS2 was going to beat the cube in sales. It is sad though knowing the PS2 is just crap hardware compared to the Gamecube. PS2 has a Higher hardware fail rate, a confusing and over complex graphics engine, and just piss poor developer support. However still the PS2 sells more.

And I can't even argue who has the better games. Game Cube with Zelda, Metroid Prime, and Resident Evil. And then PS2's long list of hits including GTA 3/Vice and GT 3. And hell, the cube was always cheaper then the X-Box and PS2.

I think Game Cube targeted the wrong age group at the wrong time.

 

[Spudd]

This makes me happy I didn't waste money on the Cube. I've been buying consoles since the Atari days, and one thing I always got pissed about was the fact that Nintendo and Sega used to come up with a new console and drop it shortly thereafter for something "new." I gave Nintendo a chance, again, and bought an N64 way back when, and was sorely disappointed with what happened with that console. I realized that it was the new companies like Sony and now Microsoft, who appeared to be sticking by their products for the long haul. That's why I gave them my greenbacks. Nintendo should just focus on their handhelds, since that's where they make their profit. Going the way of cartridges and kiddie games won't rake in the kind of money from adult gamers that they need.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I told you guys the Gamecube was going to fail.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=975799&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=arc

Yes you did tell us all, but it's too bad your logic sucks.

It's the design. It's not lack of good games or processing power (the N64 did well with E rated games). It's the Fisher Price design. The controller looks like one of my 4 year old niece's educational toys and the Gamecube itself is almost as bad!!
Look at the Playstation 2. It's sleek, and simple. There are no yellow, green, blue, and red buttons and no child safe rounded edges. And it doesn't come in "indigo", the color that the Gamecube was somehow advertised in...
Maybe now electronics manufacturers will pay more attention to design and less to target audiences that don't buy games.

Do you really think video gamers care about the design of it? Have you felt how big and heavy the XBox is? Their controllers? Yet it's beating the GC out? It's quite the eye sore in a home entertainment unit, more so than the GC was when I had mine. It takes up too much damn space, it has to have proper ventilation on both sides for intake/exhaust fans, yet it still outsells the GC, which is compact and sleek. To think that video gamers who play video games for the games choose their console of choice because of the aesthetics of the physical dimensions of the console is ridiculous. Go up to 100 video gamers and ask them what was their major preference towards their current console: the games, the hype, or the design. 99/100 of those people will say the games or the hype. The only person who would say design is YOU!

From my post on page 3:
Whether it failed, is failing, or just selling slowly is not the point. The point is that people are stupid and driven immensly by marketing.

Consider the fact that design is a part of marketing before spouting off how games matter and design doesn't. If that were true, the Gamecube with its awesome games would outsell PS2 wouldn't it?

Yet again, flawed logic. You're making the assumption the PS2 has NO awesome games. Count the A list titles for the GC and the PS2. I'll bet the number of A list titles for the PS2 outnumbers the games for the GC by 4:1. People are sick of the same recycled Mario/Nintendo crap. I know I was. The XBox was a breath of fresh air with a different style of games, which was one of the main reasons why I was attracted to it.

The problem with your logic is that you make video game consoles out to be cars. With cars, physical aesthetics is a very important factor. WTF kind of stuck up snotty video gamer gives a sh!t about the aesthetics of their console to sway their preference?

 

[Regs]

People are sick of the same recycled Mario/Nintendo crap. I know I was. The XBox was a breath of fresh air with a different style of games, which was one of the main reasons why I was attracted to it.

lol. I stopped playing Mario games when I was 10 years of age! And I do agree, Sony does have the longer list of games. I rather play vice city on my ps2 then pc, just like madden 2003.

And once all these FPS shooters like HL2 get ported onto the x-box I'm sure to see their jump in sales.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Regs

People are sick of the same recycled Mario/Nintendo crap. I know I was. The XBox was a breath of fresh air with a different style of games, which was one of the main reasons why I was attracted to it.

lol. I stopped playing Mario games when I was 10 years of age! And I do agree, Sony does have the longer list of games.

And once all these FPS shooters like HL2 get ported onto the x-box I'm sure to see their jump in sales.

Mario has a certain ingenuity though - Mario 64 I enjoyed immensely. But come on, Mario Sunshine? He has a frickin' water gun of some kind. Seriously, Miyamoto can do MUCH better than that. The hype surrounding the pre-cell shaded Zelda: WW was huge, but then the bomb dropped when it demoed as cell shaded at E3. Most Nintendo a-list games have magic and a long history but in recent years have lost originality.

Yep, I can't wait for HL2 among other games Halo2 is baking my noodle though.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis
I told you guys the Gamecube was going to fail.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=975799&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=arc

Yes you did tell us all, but it's too bad your logic sucks.

It's the design. It's not lack of good games or processing power (the N64 did well with E rated games). It's the Fisher Price design. The controller looks like one of my 4 year old niece's educational toys and the Gamecube itself is almost as bad!!
Look at the Playstation 2. It's sleek, and simple. There are no yellow, green, blue, and red buttons and no child safe rounded edges. And it doesn't come in "indigo", the color that the Gamecube was somehow advertised in...
Maybe now electronics manufacturers will pay more attention to design and less to target audiences that don't buy games.

Do you really think video gamers care about the design of it? Have you felt how big and heavy the XBox is? Their controllers? Yet it's beating the GC out? It's quite the eye sore in a home entertainment unit, more so than the GC was when I had mine. It takes up too much damn space, it has to have proper ventilation on both sides for intake/exhaust fans, yet it still outsells the GC, which is compact and sleek. To think that video gamers who play video games for the games choose their console of choice because of the aesthetics of the physical dimensions of the console is ridiculous. Go up to 100 video gamers and ask them what was their major preference towards their current console: the games, the hype, or the design. 99/100 of those people will say the games or the hype. The only person who would say design is YOU!

From my post on page 3:
Whether it failed, is failing, or just selling slowly is not the point. The point is that people are stupid and driven immensly by marketing.

Consider the fact that design is a part of marketing before spouting off how games matter and design doesn't. If that were true, the Gamecube with its awesome games would outsell PS2 wouldn't it?

Yet again, flawed logic. You're making the assumption the PS2 has NO awesome games. Count the A list titles for the GC and the PS2. I'll bet the number of A list titles for the PS2 outnumbers the games for the GC by 4:1. People are sick of the same recycled Mario/Nintendo crap. I know I was. The XBox was a breath of fresh air with a different style of games, which was one of the main reasons why I was attracted to it.

The problem with your logic is that you make video game consoles out to be cars. With cars, physical aesthetics is a very important factor. WTF kind of stuck up snotty video gamer gives a sh!t about the aesthetics of their console to sway their preference?

Well, the fact that I hear arguments like his about buyers not liking the way the console look, would seem to indicate that there are people out there who wouldn't buy the Cube because it looks like a child's toy.

In anycase, I always felt that the 2 biggest problems with Nintendo were: 1. refusing to leave cartridge technology back in 1989 where it belongs and 2. rehashing the same Mario, Zelda characters in various incarnations over and over. Just how many times can we play Super Mario World? By we, I mean the adult gamers who've been playing Mario since he was a pixelated chub chub in his incarnation on our Apple IIe's. We're the one's with the money to blow on video game crap. The Cube has awesome games on it, but they are few and far between (quite literally, it's the same problem as the N64, where the breakthrough games take years before they're done).

 

[thraashman]

PS2 has it's problems with the lack of real multi player ability. The 2 controller ports thing is something they should have fixed. And just because GameCube is the only company that has virtually ANY children's games, you're all calling it a kiddie system. And just because Zelda had cel shaded graphics, does not mean it was a children's game. That game was more fun to play, and the detail the cel shading allowed for made it the best game I've played in the last 5 years. X-Box is a worthless piece of crap. Any half-way decent "exclusive" game they get ends up on the PC in less than a month. So why bother getting an X-Box, I'll wait 2 months and get it on PC. What GC needs to do to get their market share back up is put out some really good third party exclusive RPG's. PS2 is the only system that has any decent 3rd party RPG's. Gamecube has a very unique and ecclectic game library. And the best first party games of any of the systems. It's simply not enough to keep them alive for long. I own a GC and no other system. If the GC dies, I'll consider getting a PS2. But I don't see how any even remotely intelligent person could buy an X-Box.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: thraashman
PS2 has it's problems with the lack of real multi player ability. The 2 controller ports thing is something they should have fixed. And just because GameCube is the only company that has virtually ANY children's games, you're all calling it a kiddie system. And just because Zelda had cel shaded graphics, does not mean it was a children's game. That game was more fun to play, and the detail the cel shading allowed for made it the best game I've played in the last 5 years. X-Box is a worthless piece of crap. Any half-way decent "exclusive" game they get ends up on the PC in less than a month. So why bother getting an X-Box, I'll wait 2 months and get it on PC. What GC needs to do to get their market share back up is put out some really good third party exclusive RPG's. PS2 is the only system that has any decent 3rd party RPG's. Gamecube has a very unique and ecclectic game library. And the best first party games of any of the systems. It's simply not enough to keep them alive for long. I own a GC and no other system. If the GC dies, I'll consider getting a PS2. But I don't see how any even remotely intelligent person could buy an X-Box.

You sound like a Nintendo fanboy. Hehe.

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Well, the fact that I hear arguments like his about buyers not liking the way the console look, would seem to indicate that there are people out there who wouldn't buy the Cube because it looks like a child's toy.

In anycase, I always felt that the 2 biggest problems with Nintendo were: 1. refusing to leave cartridge technology back in 1989 where it belongs and 2. rehashing the same Mario, Zelda characters in various incarnations over and over. Just how many times can we play Super Mario World? By we, I mean the adult gamers who've been playing Mario since he was a pixelated chub chub in his incarnation on our Apple IIe's. We're the one's with the money to blow on video game crap. The Cube has awesome games on it, but they are few and far between (quite literally, it's the same problem as the N64, where the breakthrough games take years before they're done).

I've yet to meet a gamer who cares what the console looks like, but I'm sure the ones that do make up a very small minority, not enough to explain the discrepency in sales. Regarding cartridges, 1989 was pre-SNES. At the time CD technology was far too expensive to successfully implement. Especially back then, the rage was FMV - Sega CD was nothing more than a short video clip player, more of a novelty than a potential competitor. But youre right - the 64 should have been non-cartridge based, and the GC probably DVD based instead of optical drive.

 

[Evadman]

I want a gamecube. I will buy one when prices go down a bit. It can be hooked up to my TV with my Dreamcast & TurboGraffix 16.

 

[thraashman]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: thraashman
PS2 has it's problems with the lack of real multi player ability. The 2 controller ports thing is something they should have fixed. And just because GameCube is the only company that has virtually ANY children's games, you're all calling it a kiddie system. And just because Zelda had cel shaded graphics, does not mean it was a children's game. That game was more fun to play, and the detail the cel shading allowed for made it the best game I've played in the last 5 years. X-Box is a worthless piece of crap. Any half-way decent "exclusive" game they get ends up on the PC in less than a month. So why bother getting an X-Box, I'll wait 2 months and get it on PC. What GC needs to do to get their market share back up is put out some really good third party exclusive RPG's. PS2 is the only system that has any decent 3rd party RPG's. Gamecube has a very unique and ecclectic game library. And the best first party games of any of the systems. It's simply not enough to keep them alive for long. I own a GC and no other system. If the GC dies, I'll consider getting a PS2. But I don't see how any even remotely intelligent person could buy an X-Box.

You sound like a Nintendo fanboy. Hehe.

I was actually about to buy a PS2 until I played Zelda. It's just such a fun game. Sony has Square, but Nintendo is getting back to having Square. I'm also very much in need of multiplayer on consoles to enjoy them, and PS2 jsut doens't have that.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: Spudd

Well, the fact that I hear arguments like his about buyers not liking the way the console look, would seem to indicate that there are people out there who wouldn't buy the Cube because it looks like a child's toy.

In anycase, I always felt that the 2 biggest problems with Nintendo were: 1. refusing to leave cartridge technology back in 1989 where it belongs and 2. rehashing the same Mario, Zelda characters in various incarnations over and over. Just how many times can we play Super Mario World? By we, I mean the adult gamers who've been playing Mario since he was a pixelated chub chub in his incarnation on our Apple IIe's. We're the one's with the money to blow on video game crap. The Cube has awesome games on it, but they are few and far between (quite literally, it's the same problem as the N64, where the breakthrough games take years before they're done).

I've yet to meet a gamer who cares what the console looks like, but I'm sure the ones that do make up a very small minority, not enough to explain the discrepency in sales. Regarding cartridges, 1989 was pre-SNES. At the time CD technology was far too expensive to successfully implement. Especially back then, the rage was FMV - Sega CD was nothing more than a short video clip player, more of a novelty than a potential competitor. But youre right - the 64 should have been non-cartridge based, and the GC probably DVD based instead of optical drive.

In 1989 I was happily playing Duckhunt and Super Mario Bros. on my cartridge based Nintendo with the two button controllers. Hehe. I almost jumped on the Sega CD bandwagon back when it came out. Luckily, I went down to my Blockbuster and they had one on display. I played that game where you're flying down some sort of sewer shooting at rats and bats?? It's a first person fighter. Anyway, I've met and seen lots of people who make fun of the cubes looks, but that didn't mean they wouldn't buy it for that specific reason-- it just adds to the list of reasons not to buy it for them I guess, that's all. Personally, I think it's one of the ugliest consoles ever, but by no means is it a bad console. The worst console ever would probably be the 32x add-on for the SegaCD and Genesis...talk about overpriced, overhyped, unsupported crap. Bleh.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: thraashman
PS2 has it's problems with the lack of real multi player ability. The 2 controller ports thing is something they should have fixed. And just because GameCube is the only company that has virtually ANY children's games, you're all calling it a kiddie system. And just because Zelda had cel shaded graphics, does not mean it was a children's game. That game was more fun to play, and the detail the cel shading allowed for made it the best game I've played in the last 5 years. X-Box is a worthless piece of crap. Any half-way decent "exclusive" game they get ends up on the PC in less than a month. So why bother getting an X-Box, I'll wait 2 months and get it on PC. What GC needs to do to get their market share back up is put out some really good third party exclusive RPG's. PS2 is the only system that has any decent 3rd party RPG's. Gamecube has a very unique and ecclectic game library. And the best first party games of any of the systems. It's simply not enough to keep them alive for long. I own a GC and no other system. If the GC dies, I'll consider getting a PS2. But I don't see how any even remotely intelligent person could buy an X-Box.

You sound like a Nintendo fanboy. Hehe.

I was actually about to buy a PS2 until I played Zelda. It's just such a fun game. Sony has Square, but Nintendo is getting back to having Square. I'm also very much in need of multiplayer on consoles to enjoy them, and PS2 jsut doens't have that.

If you want multiplayer, your only real honest choice is an Xbox. I've had all the consoles at one point, and the Xbox is the best overall in my opinion-- although I do think the "mature" games on the PS2 are superior (ie. the Onimusha games, Silent Hill games, RPGs, fighters and the like.) But, the Xbox is making good progress in it's library, I must admit.

 

[ROTC1983]

Originally posted by: Zugzwang152
dreamcast 4 life!

RIIIGGGHHTT

 

[Angrymarshmello]

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: Spudd

Well, the fact that I hear arguments like his about buyers not liking the way the console look, would seem to indicate that there are people out there who wouldn't buy the Cube because it looks like a child's toy.

In anycase, I always felt that the 2 biggest problems with Nintendo were: 1. refusing to leave cartridge technology back in 1989 where it belongs and 2. rehashing the same Mario, Zelda characters in various incarnations over and over. Just how many times can we play Super Mario World? By we, I mean the adult gamers who've been playing Mario since he was a pixelated chub chub in his incarnation on our Apple IIe's. We're the one's with the money to blow on video game crap. The Cube has awesome games on it, but they are few and far between (quite literally, it's the same problem as the N64, where the breakthrough games take years before they're done).

I've yet to meet a gamer who cares what the console looks like, but I'm sure the ones that do make up a very small minority, not enough to explain the discrepency in sales. Regarding cartridges, 1989 was pre-SNES. At the time CD technology was far too expensive to successfully implement. Especially back then, the rage was FMV - Sega CD was nothing more than a short video clip player, more of a novelty than a potential competitor. But youre right - the 64 should have been non-cartridge based, and the GC probably DVD based instead of optical drive.

In 1989 I was happily playing Duckhunt and Super Mario Bros. on my cartridge based Nintendo with the two button controllers. Hehe. I almost jumped on the Sega CD bandwagon back when it came out. Luckily, I went down to my Blockbuster and they had one on display. I played that game where you're flying down some sort of sewer shooting at rats and bats?? It's a first person fighter. Anyway, I've met and seen lots of people who make fun of the cubes looks, but that didn't mean they wouldn't buy it for that specific reason-- it just adds to the list of reasons not to buy it for them I guess, that's all. Personally, I think it's one of the ugliest consoles ever, but by no means is it a bad console. The worst console ever would probably be the 32x add-on for the SegaCD and Genesis...talk about overpriced, overhyped, unsupported crap. Bleh.

Yea, the 32x was pretty much crap. The saddest part was Sega's pathetic attempt to market the aftermarket add-ons for the Genesis. (The 32x and Sega CD) The CDX, the all in one 32x/Sega CD/Genesis player, etc. What a waste of R&D and marketing money. That started Sega's downfall right there. Then came the Saturn, then the DC. I'd have to say the ugliest console ever was the redesigned NES. It was top loading, looked like an anorexic SNES. Same with the controllers. Man that was one ugly console

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Design of the console does play a role. It's called marketing. If design didn't matter, game companies wouldn't even bother hiring designers. The console looking like a toy, combined with alot of "kiddie" games turned off alot of gamers.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: Spudd

Originally posted by: Angrymarshmello

Originally posted by: Spudd

Well, the fact that I hear arguments like his about buyers not liking the way the console look, would seem to indicate that there are people out there who wouldn't buy the Cube because it looks like a child's toy.

In anycase, I always felt that the 2 biggest problems with Nintendo were: 1. refusing to leave cartridge technology back in 1989 where it belongs and 2. rehashing the same Mario, Zelda characters in various incarnations over and over. Just how many times can we play Super Mario World? By we, I mean the adult gamers who've been playing Mario since he was a pixelated chub chub in his incarnation on our Apple IIe's. We're the one's with the money to blow on video game crap. The Cube has awesome games on it, but they are few and far between (quite literally, it's the same problem as the N64, where the breakthrough games take years before they're done).

I've yet to meet a gamer who cares what the console looks like, but I'm sure the ones that do make up a very small minority, not enough to explain the discrepency in sales. Regarding cartridges, 1989 was pre-SNES. At the time CD technology was far too expensive to successfully implement. Especially back then, the rage was FMV - Sega CD was nothing more than a short video clip player, more of a novelty than a potential competitor. But youre right - the 64 should have been non-cartridge based, and the GC probably DVD based instead of optical drive.

In 1989 I was happily playing Duckhunt and Super Mario Bros. on my cartridge based Nintendo with the two button controllers. Hehe. I almost jumped on the Sega CD bandwagon back when it came out. Luckily, I went down to my Blockbuster and they had one on display. I played that game where you're flying down some sort of sewer shooting at rats and bats?? It's a first person fighter. Anyway, I've met and seen lots of people who make fun of the cubes looks, but that didn't mean they wouldn't buy it for that specific reason-- it just adds to the list of reasons not to buy it for them I guess, that's all. Personally, I think it's one of the ugliest consoles ever, but by no means is it a bad console. The worst console ever would probably be the 32x add-on for the SegaCD and Genesis...talk about overpriced, overhyped, unsupported crap. Bleh.

Yea, the 32x was pretty much crap. The saddest part was Sega's pathetic attempt to market the aftermarket add-ons for the Genesis. (The 32x and Sega CD) The CDX, the all in one 32x/Sega CD/Genesis player, etc. What a waste of R&D and marketing money. That started Sega's downfall right there. Then came the Saturn, then the DC. I'd have to say the ugliest console ever was the redesigned NES. It was top loading, looked like an anorexic SNES. Same with the controllers. Man that was one ugly console

Yeah, that was a pretty ugly looking SNES incarnation. Dang, looks like Nintendo didn't learn anything about the looks of the thing seeing as how the Cube is so weird. Maybe it has to do with catering to the Japanese market? I mean, the controller is small, the Cube is small, and it's got a funky color scheme. But aren't those all things that the Japanese like in their consoles?? LOL. Remember when the Xbox first hit shelves over there? One of the biggest complaints was the "massive" controller for the Xbox. hehe. I think it's perfect for adults, and not some tiny little thing you can hardly get your hands around. :beer:

 

[Maximus96]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
consoles come and go yet the pc endures forever

yes, my 486 DX2 with 4mb of ram and 150mb HD still endures the spiders and dust in my basement.

 

[Spudd]

Originally posted by: zaku

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
consoles come and go yet the pc endures forever

yes, my 486 DX2 with 4mb of ram and 150mb HD still endures the spiders and dust in my basement.

roflmao...exactly. :beer:

 

[skace]

I have a GC and a PS2 and I will never regret buying either system. See, XBox is the superior system, but it will never have the most original games out there. It just won't. The best party games are still Mario Party / Smash Bros. PS2 will always dominate the rpgs. Zelda & Metroid will always be worth buying a console system for. Eternal Darkness is the best survival horror game on the market.

If you saw my library of PS2/GC/PSX games you would sht a brick. They've got their own bookcase.

I can't wait to get: Xenosaga Episode 2, FFX-2, FF Crystal Chronicles, F-Zero GX, Harvest Moon, Chaos Legion, Silent Hill 3, Soul Caliber 2 w/ Link and a few others.

As far as Halo goes. When it comes to the PC in the upcoming month, you will see it flourish far more than it ever did on the Xbox. It will have competition similar to counter-strike. It will be big. It was simply a neat game on the Xbox, on the PC it will be its own world.

 

[Citadel535]

For whom the bell tolls....