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Galaxy S7 pre-order numbers breaks records

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Because Achtung's core argument is that Samsung is likely coming back because of these sales records -- this is an explanation as to why that isn't necessarily the case.

I think this only matters if Samsung is subsidizing this or these are carrier promotions to try to grab market share from other carriers.

AFAIK Verizon isn't running a BOGO promotion so it would be incredibly odd that Samsung would be subsidizing it for everyone except the biggest carrier in the US.

I think it's a positive sign if the carriers think this is an effective incentive to get a postpaid customer from another carrier vs. other devices and if Samsung isn't subsidizing it. No one exactly cares if there's a HTC One BOGO deal.
 
I think this only matters if Samsung is subsidizing this or these are carrier promotions to try to grab market share from other carriers.

AFAIK Verizon isn't running a BOGO promotion so it would be incredibly odd that Samsung would be subsidizing it for everyone except the biggest carrier in the US.

I think it's a positive sign if the carriers think this is an effective incentive to get a postpaid customer from another carrier vs. other devices and if Samsung isn't subsidizing it. No one exactly cares if there's a HTC One BOGO deal.

There is that big unknown, although it doesn't necessarily depend on Samsung directly subsidizing BOGO deals. It may hinge on why carriers are making those offers -- is it just to lure you over from another carrier (entirely possible), or because they're worried that their pre-orders and launch sales aren't enough?

The safe statement is that the Gear VR promo is unquestionably an attempt to pump up launch sales (and drive Gear VR adoption, too). You don't give away a $100 device if you're fully convinced that a phone will sell strictly on its own merits.
 
According to this source, preorders for the Galaxy S7/S7 Edge have surpassed 10 MILLION in China, ALONE.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160317000750&cpv=1

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_repor..._s7_s7_edge_preorders_in_china-news-17261.php

Report says Galaxy S7/S7 edge pre-orders in China set to cross 10 million mark

16 MARCH, 2016
Just a week after Samsung's mobile chief Koh Dong-jin said that they are expecting their newest flagships - the Galaxy S7 and S7 edge - will help reverse the firm's fortunes in China, there is some good news for the South Korean tech giant.
According to a new report, pre-orders for the flagships in China are set to cross the the 10 million milestone, and the figure could even hit the 15 million mark by the time the pre-order window closes, something which will happen on March 18.

Keep in mind, however, that pre-orders in China are usually unlike pre-orders elsewhere - it's more of a 'register your interest,' which means that actual sales numbers can be quite different. We'll have to wait for Samsung to confirm these numbers if this is actually the case.

In case you missed it, China - which is the world's largest smartphone market - is one of the few countries where the new Galaxy phones do not have the front Samsung logo, although it's difficult to say whether this has anything to do with the devices' performance in the country.

The report comes just a few days after Samsung revealed that the total number of Galaxy S7/S7 edge pre-orders it received in Europe was over 2.5 times more than what it received for previous Galaxy phones in the region.


http://www.sammobile.com/2016/03/16...xy-s7-and-the-galaxy-s7-edge-placed-in-china/

Over 10 million pre-orders for the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge placed in China

Samsung appears to have a hit on its hands with the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge. The new flagships are outselling their predecessors by quite a margin and from what we gather Samsung’s new flagships are performing very well in one of the most lucrative smartphone markets on the planet. Research conducted by our colleagues over at SamMobile China shows that the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge are on track to net more than 10 million pre-orders in the People’s Republic.

Pre-orders for the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge have been open in China since March 11. There are eight retail channels through which customers in China can pre-order the new handsets. Customers have pre-ordered over 6.35 million units of the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge from one of the biggest online retailers in China, JD.com. Pre-orders at the retailer Suning have crossed 1.3 million units while retailers Gome and Lynx have already sold out of their pre-order inventory. Therefore, it’s likely that total pre-orders for the new Samsung flagships in China will cross 10 million units and may very well reach 15 million by the time pre-orders are closed on March 18. Looks like Samsung mobile chief DJ Koh’s prediction about a return to form in China is right on the money.
Samsung Galaxy S7 preorders exceed 10m in China
Published : 2016-03-17 14:40
Updated : 2016-03-17 14:44

Preorders for Samsung Electronics’ latest flagship smartphone Galaxy S7 and its Edge variant have exceeded the 10 million mark in China over the past week, SamMobile, an online website specializing in Samsung news, said Thursday.

According to SamMobile China, the figure is expected to reach some 15 million on Friday when the week-long preorder period ends.


Samsung Galaxy S7 (Yonhap)

Samsung started receiving preorders for its latest phones from March 11 through eight retailers in China. JD.com, the nation’s largest online retailer, sold some 6.35 million phones over the past week, while orders from Suning exceeded 1.3 million.

Samsung is all-out efforts to elevate its device sales in China. Last year, the company lost more market share as its sales ranking fell to the sixth last year.

Last year, its market share in the Chinese smartphone market was 7.7 percent, outpaced by Chinese budget makers as well as Apple.

SamMobile said Tuesday that preorders for the latest Galaxy phones more than doubled in the U.S. and Europe compared to those for its predecessor Galaxy S6. The website didn’t specify exact numbers.

Samsung didn't even achieve 10 million preorders WORLDWIDE in 2015 for the Galaxy S6/S6 Edge, let alone in China alone.

Also pre-order numbers have doubled in the US for the Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 Edge compared to the Samsung Galaxy S6/S6 Edge a year ago.

So it seems that the pre-orders for the Samsung Galaxy S7/S7 Edge have AT LEAST doubled over the Galaxy S6/S6 Edge, so we can expect total sales to also double or even triple over the year especially as the global economy recovers.
 
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So the 10 million+ pre orders in China aren't really pre orders, they're an indication of interest?
 
Yeah, big red flag on the China figures: these are not necessarily purchases, just indications of interest.

I'd suggest refraining from the "all hail the return of Samsung" proclamations until there are more tangible sales estimates and figures.
 
So the 10 million+ pre orders in China aren't really pre orders, they're an indication of interest?

What makes you think they're not going to be sales?

The China retailers actually SOLD 10 million+ Galaxy S7/S7 Edge so far. Read the article again.

Yeah, big red flag on the China figures: these are not necessarily purchases, just indications of interest.

I'd suggest refraining from the "all hail the return of Samsung" proclamations until there are more tangible sales estimates and figures.

Lol. Seems like some people are actually hurt by the 10 million+ sales of the Galaxy S7/S7 Edge in China. Read the article, don't just imagine your own idealistic scenarios.

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/03/16...xy-s7-and-the-galaxy-s7-edge-placed-in-china/
Over 10 million pre-orders for the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge placed in China

Pre-orders for the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge have been open in China since March 11. There are eight retail channels through which customers in China can pre-order the new handsets. Customers have pre-ordered over 6.35 million units of the Galaxy S7 and the Galaxy S7 edge from one of the biggest online retailers in China, JD.com. Pre-orders at the retailer Suning have crossed 1.3 million units while retailers Gome and Lynx have already sold out of their pre-order inventory. Therefore, it’s likely that total pre-orders for the new Samsung flagships in China will cross 10 million units and may very well reach 15 million by the time pre-orders are closed on March 18. Looks like Samsung mobile chief DJ Koh’s prediction about a return to form in China is right on the money.
 
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What makes you think they're not going to be sales?

The China retailers actually SOLD 10 million+ Galaxy S7/S7 Edge so far. Read the article again.

Because in the other article that you linked to, it said this.

http://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_repor..._s7_s7_edge_preorders_in_china-news-17261.php

Keep in mind, however, that pre-orders in China are usually unlike pre-orders elsewhere - it's more of a 'register your interest,' which means that actual sales numbers can be quite different. We'll have to wait for Samsung to confirm these numbers if this is actually the case.
 
What makes you think they're not going to be sales?

The China retailers actually SOLD 10 million+ Galaxy S7/S7 Edge so far. Read the article again.

Lol. Seems like some people are actually hurt by the 10 million+ sales of the Galaxy S7/S7 Edge in China. Read the article, don't just imagine your own idealistic scenarios.

http://www.sammobile.com/2016/03/16...xy-s7-and-the-galaxy-s7-edge-placed-in-china/


Keep reading this bit from the GSMArena article you quoted until you understand the problem here:

"Keep in mind, however, that pre-orders in China are usually unlike pre-orders elsewhere - it's more of a 'register your interest,' which means that actual sales numbers can be quite different. We'll have to wait for Samsung to confirm these numbers if this is actually the case."

Yes, there's a good chance that a large chunk (if not most) of those registered customers go on to purchase the phone, but you simply can't count them as done-and-dusted pre-orders. Especially since the sourcing for this is questionable -- even the Chinese SamMobile page is quick to note that these aren't concrete figures.

My issue is that you're so eager to reach your predetermined conclusion (that Samsung is destined to dominate smartphones) that you're tossing out the critical thinking and skepticism that are necessary for a good argument. You're taking uncertain sourcing and treating it as absolute fact; you're ignoring disclaimers that could fundamentally change the significance of the data.

Wouldn't you rather wait for either official figures or post-launch estimates, so that you have a firmer leg to stand on? Show that the sales spike is happening, not just that it looks like it's going to happen.
 
I think the S7 Edge variant is a great enthusiast phone (I really want one) wether it can pull massive numbers in a market where it's predicted $300 phones will kick ass and take names remains to be seen.

Remember, this is Samsung, they've been so good at cooking the books in the past, they believed their own fraudulent numbers.
 
It has been suggested it's one in the same 🙂

Keep in mind, I do think the S7 Edge is the best Android phone on the market.

I would argue with you that its not. Its the best looking Android phone out on the market for sure with 1 flaw. Its the same flaw that give the Edge that unique look. I've only had the Edge for 3 days and the curve part for me serve no purpose at all. Its a little bit annoying after a while. To me, you lose the edge part of the screen. Instead of a fully 5.5" screen, its more like a 5.3" width with a 5.5" height.
I mean, Samsung can easily put the edge tab on any other phone if they want to and it works just the same. The edge thing is just a big gimmick. While the curve screen looks fantastic, I wish it was just a flat 5.5" screen so I can make full use of the screen.
 
Hmmm, if sales are good, they typically don't do a BOGO sale, 2 major carriers in the US now offering BOGO...
 
I think the S7 Edge variant is a great enthusiast phone (I really want one) wether it can pull massive numbers in a market where it's predicted $300 phones will kick ass and take names remains to be seen.

Remember, this is Samsung, they've been so good at cooking the books in the past, they believed their own fraudulent numbers.

It would be a great enthusiast phone if the bootloader is unlocked (which the USA versions are not) or had better chipset documentation (which Exynos definitely does not have). So we're left in a situation where the better documented chipset is in the bootloader locked phone (USA versions with SD820) and the poorly documented chipset is in the bootloader unlocked phone (international version with Exynos).
 
Market analysts just boosted Samsung's profit guidance to $5.2 billion USD, up from $4.3 billion USD.

They also increased Samsung's yearly profit guidance from $19 billion USD to 21 billion USD.

It's hard to believe that just one smartphone can make a difference of some $2 billion USD.

Samsung has also recorded a boost in semiconductor sales followed by the release of the iPhone SE. So I guess Apple's rise also translates to Samsung's rise.

Samsung and Apple's relationship hasn't really changed much since 2010. With all the lawsuits in the US and Europe now pretty much settled, I hope these two companies can compete fairly again.

So far, as of 2016, Samsung's superior technology has proved to be 2-3 years ahead of Apple's technology. I seriously doubt Foxconn's takeover of Sharp will help Apple much. Sharp is a tiny company and it's R&D falls aeons behind that of Samsung's R&D. Sharp will need more than just a few billion dollars from Foxconn.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2016/03/133_201495.html
Galaxy S7 to drive up Samsung profits

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Company legal chief says Apple disputes to continue

By Kim Yoo-chul

Samsung Electronics is expected to report boosted profits from the first quarter of this year propelled by brisk sales of its flagship Galaxy S7 (S7) smartphones.

"We can confirm that S7 sales are looking very good," Lee Sang-hoon, chief of Samsung Electronics' management support group, told reporters after his participation in Wednesday's weekly meeting of presidents of Samsung affiliates at Seocho Samsung Tower, southern Seoul.

Market analysts expect the world's top smartphone manufacturer to report a first quarter operating profit over 6 trillion won ($5.2 billion), beating earlier expectations.

Given Samsung's unique supply chain system, brisk sales of its flagship smartphone are also helping other divisions and group affiliates strengthen their bottom line. Samsung Electronics is heavily sourcing key components from its chip divisions, Samsung SDI and Samsung Electro-Mechanics.

"We revised up our target on Samsung Electronics stock from 1.55 million won per share to 1.65 million," said Lee Se-chul, an analyst at NH Securities. "Our estimate for Samsung's combined profit throughout this year is 24 trillion won up from 21.9 trillion won in 2015."

Daishin Securities analyst Kim Kyung-min said operating profit for Samsung Electronics during the January to March period will reach between 6 trillion won and 6.4 trillion won.

The two variants of the S7 _ one rigid and the other curved _ have been commercially available since early this month. So far, more than 10 million S7s have been sold in terms of shipments to Samsung's carrier partners.

In preorders, the S7 has exceeded earlier expectations in its key markets of China, Europe and India. In Europe, Samsung suggested a 250 percent increase in combined preorder sales since the S7 launch over the S6.

Samsung officials say the early success is largely due to its decision to include more features such as the reintroduction of the microSD card slot and increased water resistance, along with a 10 percent price cut in some markets.

Samsung Electronics spokesman Lee Won-ho declined to comment on the company's estimated profit for the first quarter. The company will announce its preliminary first quarter earnings guidance next week.

With stronger sales of the S7, analysts say the weakening won was also attributable for improved quarterly profit.

"Samsung may have benefited from a weakening won against major currencies during the January-March period," said an official.

Apple dispute will continue

In a separate meeting with local reporters, the company's legal chief said its ongoing patent disputes with Apple will continue.

"Apple filed a retrial in courts in the United States," said Kim Sang-hyun, president of Samsung's legal office.

The remarks came after a U.S. appeals court overturned a lower court's decision and ordered Apple to pay Samsung for its infringement of some Samsung patents.

In May 2014, juries in a court in San Jose, California, ruled that Samsung infringed on three Apple patents.

The appeals court nullified two out of the three patents, for which the lower court ordered Samsung to compensate Apple, while the appeals court ruled Samsung didn't infringe on the remaining Apple patent, asking Apple to pay $158,000 to Samsung.

Kim didn't elaborate further. Samsung agreed with Apple to drop all lawsuits outside the U.S.

The company's television chief Kim Hyun-seok said Samsung headquarters in Korea is reviewing why football icon Pele sued the company in the U.S.

"We are closely looking at the case," Kim told reporters.

Pele sued Samsung in a federal court in Chicago, claiming that the consumer electronics giant used a lookalike in a full-page advert for its HDTV that appeared in the New York Times. Pele is seeking $30 million in compensation from Samsung.
 
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