G70

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: impemonk
whoawhaowhoahwo SHHIMMARRING YOU SAY?! like I give a damn... hahahahahaha. Seriously people: ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. If I see a small dent in my car am I going to shun it off and say it sucks? Big whoop life is beautiful please move on

So by your analogy, if you buy a new $50,000 Corvette, it's ok if there's a few small dents in it because they're 'barely noticeable', right?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: impemonk
whoawhaowhoahwo SHHIMMARRING YOU SAY?! like I give a damn... hahahahahaha. Seriously people: ITS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL. If I see a small dent in my car am I going to shun it off and say it sucks? Big whoop life is beautiful please move on

So by your analogy, if you buy a new $50,000 Corvette, it's ok if there's a few small dents in it because they're 'barely noticeable', right?

Oh hell no.
I'd be bitching about the dents and ask the dealer to fix them for free and pay for my rental car.

In the case of video cards however, you don't need a rental video card while waiting for the drivers to become ready. And the fix is free anyway's, if the driver does its job, or the programmers.

 

[Matt2]

This thread is funny.

Can someone post a screenshot from THEIR game experience to show texture shimmering? I'm not interested in specific IQ tests that show the problem like some of the links from the OP. I want to see this problem in a real life game situation as you G70 owners see it.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: MBrown
I dont understand what simmering textures is fully. The article doesnt explain it well. Can somebody explain what it is in different words?

There are sample videos in the article. They're actually pretty bad examples- way too short, the files are too large and you have to install FRAPS to view them. But if you do download and view them, the shimmering is pretty easy to see. It just looks like sporadic flickering/shimmering of patches of pixels. Once you see it you'll be like WTF, that looks like crap.

 

[Matt2]

Also, did anyone else get the feeling that the 3DCenter article was a bit bias towards ATI? I dunno, maybe it's just me.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Acanthus
I hope they fix it in an up and coming driver release.

But its not nearly as bad as anyone makes it out to be.

Nvidia fan = "You really have to look for it to even barely see any shimmering if it is even there at all."

ATI fan = "It's so bad, it hurts my eyes and gives me headaches if I look at my screen for more than 10 minutes."

Which one are you BlingBling! LMAO!!!!!!

Iam a CS:S fan

And i cant remember that G70s fukced up texture quality of the anisotropic filters was a part of their: the power of three campaign...http://forum.counter-strike.de/bb/img/smilies/smiley-pillepalle.gif

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Matt2
This thread is funny.

Can someone post a screenshot from THEIR game experience to show texture shimmering? I'm not interested in specific IQ tests that show the problem like some of the links from the OP. I want to see this problem in a real life game situation as you G70 owners see it.

It's not something that you can see in screenshots normally. If you want to see an example of it in-game, go to this thread and download the videos:

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1028104148&postcount=11

Look at the areas marked on this screenshot: Text

In the distance you will see the shimmering. It's kind of like the same effect as when you see a mirage. The line on the front of the jeep looks horribly jagged and also shimmers. The ugly jaggies on that line can be seen right in the screenshot: Text

Keep in mind, this is just a mild example, since this was taken from a 6800GT in high quality mode where there isn't supposed to be much texture shimmering to speak of. But it's still there. On the 7800 it would be even worse.

PS. I didn't write that thread and I didn't make those videos, I'm just pointing them out.

 

[Ackmed]

Once again, its bad in some games, and not in others. If you dont have the drivers on "High Quality" it can be very bad, but again, only in certain games. Its very easy to spot under certain circumstances. At least for me.

Out of all the games I currently am playing right now, BF2 is the only game I notice it in. But thats also the game I play the most. I also noticed it in Farcry, but I dont play that anymore. Driving fast makes it worse to for me. It is noticable, and annoying, but its not that bad that I cant play with it.

Im excited for these drivers that are supposed to fix it.

edit, btw BlingBlingArsch. If you want anyone to take you seriously, try being less of a obvious trouble maker. Use the search, and otherwise act like you have some sense.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Once again, its bad in some games, and not in others. If you dont have the drivers on "High Quality" it can be very bad, but again, only in certain games. Its very easy to spot under certain circumstances. At least for me.

Out of all the games I currently am playing right now, BF2 is the only game I notice it in. But thats also the game I play the most. I also noticed it in Farcry, but I dont play that anymore. Driving fast makes it worse to for me. It is noticable, and annoying, but its not that bad that I cant play with it.

Im excited for these drivers that are supposed to fix it.

edit, btw BlingBlingArsch. If you want anyone to take you seriously, try being less of a obvious trouble maker. Use the search, and otherwise act like you have some sense.

Ackmed, thank god for people like you that are rational and will acknowledge that there is a problem and not put on their Nvidia blinders pretending that it doesn't exist. I don't think it's too much to ask, when you're buying a $400-500 video card, that the AA/AF works as it's supposed to. After all, that is why people buy these high-end cards, so that they can run with full AA/AF and get that increased image quality. There's no way we should accept blatant errors like shimmering textures. If everyone just ignores it and says 'no big deal', then Nvidia has no incentive to fix the problem.

 

[fstime]

Unacceptable.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Once again, its bad in some games, and not in others. If you dont have the drivers on "High Quality" it can be very bad, but again, only in certain games. Its very easy to spot under certain circumstances. At least for me.

Out of all the games I currently am playing right now, BF2 is the only game I notice it in. But thats also the game I play the most. I also noticed it in Farcry, but I dont play that anymore. Driving fast makes it worse to for me. It is noticable, and annoying, but its not that bad that I cant play with it.

Im excited for these drivers that are supposed to fix it.

edit, btw BlingBlingArsch. If you want anyone to take you seriously, try being less of a obvious trouble maker. Use the search, and otherwise act like you have some sense.

Ackmed, thank god for people like you that are rational and will acknowledge that there is a problem and not put on their Nvidia blinders pretending that it doesn't exist. I don't think it's too much to ask, when you're buying a $400-500 video card, that the AA/AF works as it's supposed to. After all, that is why people buy these high-end cards, so that they can run with full AA/AF and get that increased image quality. There's no way we should accept blatant errors like shimmering textures. If everyone just ignores it and says 'no big deal', then Nvidia has no incentive to fix the problem.

I have a 7800 GTX, only see the shimmering in certain games under certain conditions. It appears to happen when there is a long draw distance, something Far Cry and BF2 have... The draw distance is enormous. I have never seen the shimmering in anything up-close.

Anyway, it isn't a huge deal to me, but it should be fixed.

 

[MBrown]

Well I can't see it in any pics. Does somebody have any pics that shows the difference even more?

 

[Elfear]

I notice the shimmering too. I played CS:Source last night and it was quite noticeable in Aztek and a few other maps. Kind of annoying so I hope that Nvidia fixes the problem ASAP. I'll test out FarCry and see how that looks.

 

[Marsumane]

Is this really the case or is this likely 3dCenter's/author's assumption?: "Nvidia cards are using general undersampling which can (and does) result in texture shimmering" I dont know much about their code, but im thinking that 3dCenter may not either and this could just be one of many reasons to explain what is happening here.

-If this is the case, then i would be more inclined to think it was intentional. I doubt it is night and day for fps if they do end up fixing this, but still if i had one of these cards, id want the option to fix this even if it did make my frames drop drastically. Personally, from the pics i really cant see that big of an issue. It's more like having 8x aa when i expect 16x aa. Aka i could live with it easy and wouldnt pass up a deal on these cards if i needed it, but would like it fixed for when i play older games dispite the performance hit.

-Did they ever say that they would fix the major optimizations when they were discovered in the FX series? (fp16 instead of fp32 for example) I dont remember saying that they would ever fix them, and instead pummeling us with their perception of "optimizations like those in the fx series are legal and barely noticable". My thoughts are that because they said they would fix the issue in the next driver release, that they really will fix it without too much of a performance hit if any. Perhaps they may have been working on it all this time but didnt feel like doing much about it until our recent fuss over it.

-In any case, im eager to see the results of the fix

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Once again, its bad in some games, and not in others. If you dont have the drivers on "High Quality" it can be very bad, but again, only in certain games. Its very easy to spot under certain circumstances. At least for me.

Out of all the games I currently am playing right now, BF2 is the only game I notice it in. But thats also the game I play the most. I also noticed it in Farcry, but I dont play that anymore. Driving fast makes it worse to for me. It is noticable, and annoying, but its not that bad that I cant play with it.

Im excited for these drivers that are supposed to fix it.

edit, btw BlingBlingArsch. If you want anyone to take you seriously, try being less of a obvious trouble maker. Use the search, and otherwise act like you have some sense.

Ackmed, thank god for people like you that are rational and will acknowledge that there is a problem and not put on their Nvidia blinders pretending that it doesn't exist. I don't think it's too much to ask, when you're buying a $400-500 video card, that the AA/AF works as it's supposed to. After all, that is why people buy these high-end cards, so that they can run with full AA/AF and get that increased image quality. There's no way we should accept blatant errors like shimmering textures. If everyone just ignores it and says 'no big deal', then Nvidia has no incentive to fix the problem.

I have news for you. Doesn't matter what the card costs. If it is a 250 dollar card and advertised to perform AA/AF, it supposed to work correctly then also. Don't you agree? Or do you expect the mid range cards not to do AA/AF correctly because they are, well, cheaper.
If you buy a lamborghini or a pinto, you would expect the cylinders in the engine of the 300,000 dollar car to go up and down just like the 300 dollar car as well as any other conventional internal combustion engine.

All I'm saying here is, give nvidia a chance to do what they say they are going to do. Deliver drivers to remedy the problem. If they deliver, and the problem still persists, then you should bitch about it to them. They have made it known that they are aware of it, and are working on it. Isn't that good enough for you guys? It's new tech, there will be things to iron out as with ANY new tech.

As I mentioned earlier, didn't ATI have a shimmering/banding problem with early 9700/9500's? Did they offer drivers to fix it? Of course they did. Its called growing pains.
If you say that ATI didn't fix the problem, are they any better than nvidia? Tough call guys.

 

[Killrose]

With my 6800U when playing BF2 I see vehicles in the distance shimmer (dissapear/re-apear) is this the problem?

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: Killrose
With my 6800U when playing BF2 I see vehicles in the distance shimmer (dissapear/re-apear) is this the problem?

I doubt it. I see the same thing (though I have a 6800 also). It looks more like a crappy culling job. Are 6800 cards affected or just the G70? The macroblock compression in those images makes it very difficult to tell what this 'shimmering' even is.

 

[KeepItRed]

Ouch bad news for nv.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

yep, and i allways thought they are testing the cards before they start selling them, didnt NV notice what is goin on when playing BF2, CSS, FarCry?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
yep, and i allways thought they are testing the cards before they start selling them, didnt NV notice what is goin on when playing BF2, CSS, FarCry?

Kinda like the moderaters not noticing what type of an ass-clown you are, and banning you? You would think by now that you would have been banned, but I guess they are too busy to clean out the riff raff these days.

 

[KeepItRed]

What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Posting decent news huh. Well it is a double post, and all he has done is insult one company... for it to be even considered news, at least make an attempt at neutrality. He hasn't posted anything worth while. You are not much better. While neither of you have done anything serious, i wouldn't think you are in good standing with anyone. I would just watch what you say, because no one wants either of you around here.

-Kevin

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Oh really? LOL, whatever... You suck, at least I can back up my statements.

The ass-clown posts here


Edit **

My post against him had nothing to do with defending nVidia. It had everything to do with him being a Troll and trolling the entire forum trying to flame people. But you, KeepItRed, have proved how small of a mind you have. You must believe that everything is a war of ATI V nVidia... Unlike you, I can care less who slams who, but I do not have to put up with a troll just trolling around, and you are becoming a troll yourself.

 

[KeepItRed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: KeepItRed
What should he be banned for? Your just over reacting cause your a NV fanboy++ and he's posting decent news. Please.

Posting decent news huh. Well it is a double post, and all he has done is insult one company. He hasn't posted anything worth while. You are not much better. While neither of you have done anything serious, i wouldn't think you are in good standing with anyone. I would just watch what you say, because no one wants either of you around here.

-Kevin

Well "-Kevin" I don't see you spectating any side. As far as I can see your another NV fanboi yourself. I mean if he posts news so what, if he flames one company, let it be, everyone likes their preference it just depends to what level your taking it too. Besides I'm sure lots of people don't want other people here as well, including you but you don't have to point it out.

Although he had made some incredibly stupid posts, news is news...I'm an ATI fan myself and I don't flame NV that hardcore. In fact I still have my picky's with ATI.

 

[Keysplayr]

His name is Keep It Red. What did you expect?