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fvck debeers!
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Anubis
No Lifer
you are correst diamonds arnt rare at all. fusking debeers just limits the distro of them. Emralds and rubys are much much rarer. that and they look better. its debeers fault women want diamonds like crack. mi wife wont get a diamond engagement ring. and shes gonne live with it. My dad didnt get my mom a diamond ring till their 10th wedding aniversery
EDIT: O and Diamonds look like cut glass
BigSmooth
Lifer
Here's the thing: lab-created sapphires (and other gemstones) have been around and widely available for a VERY long time, yet "natural" sapphires are still in much higher demand and are far more expensive. People want the "real thing". DeBeers ain't going anywhere for a very long time, unfortunately.
Why wouldn't they cash out? De beers drops a billion or two on each, I'm sure each has some outstanding debt, they retire very rich men. OTOH suppose they do go to war with de beers and this little process for detecting fakes wins out, you think a girl is going to like that nice new 3ct diamond you just got her knowing it cost you 200 bucks? They lose millions and retire bankrupt. Me I take the safe bet, I couldn't spend a billion dollars in a life time.
Why wouldn't they cash out? De beers drops a billion or two on each, I'm sure each has some outstanding debt, they retire very rich men. OTOH suppose they do go to war with de beers and this little process for detecting fakes wins out, you think a girl is going to like that nice new 3ct diamond you just got her knowing it cost you 200 bucks? They lose millions and retire bankrupt. Me I take the safe bet, I couldn't spend a billion dollars in a life time.
did you read the article? women like diamonds because they're pretty, and because of the debeers marketing machine. do you care that the flowers you get from your florist were grown in a greenhouse rather than the tropical rainforest of south america?
did you read the article? women like diamonds because they're pretty, and because of the debeers marketing machine. do you care that the flowers you get from your florist were grown in a greenhouse rather than the tropical rainforest of south america?
ThaGrandCow
Diamond Member
You don't get it... the companies are looking towards computer processors made of diamonds. In the meantime while they are doing that they can also take some shots at debeers.
In my mind, a diamond that is 1000% certain to not be a "blood diamond" is waaay more romantic than one that may be suspect (i.e. anything coming from debeers, their buyers are still being caught in war zones despite their promises that their hands are clean).
"Honey, here's a piece of the earth that took millions of years to form, oh and the people who dug it up may have been prisoners of war working at gunpoint with no pay - some of whom were shot for not working hard enough... I hope that brings a smile to your face!"
"Honey, here's a beautiful ring. It's beautiful and nobody died because of it. Because it wasn't coming from a corrupt monopolistic cartel that artificially inflates prices, I can actually afford my share of this month's mortgage payment too!"
Any woman who requires me to spend "three month's salary" on an artificially overpriced rock collected by slave labor to prove my love to her deserves to be thrown out on the street, not proposed to. Demonstrations of love should be made daily in little ways, not in a lump sum payment to buy her off. Anyone notice the size of the rock Kobe Bryant's wife got recently?
"Honey, here's a piece of the earth that took millions of years to form, oh and the people who dug it up may have been prisoners of war working at gunpoint with no pay - some of whom were shot for not working hard enough... I hope that brings a smile to your face!"
"Honey, here's a beautiful ring. It's beautiful and nobody died because of it. Because it wasn't coming from a corrupt monopolistic cartel that artificially inflates prices, I can actually afford my share of this month's mortgage payment too!"
Any woman who requires me to spend "three month's salary" on an artificially overpriced rock collected by slave labor to prove my love to her deserves to be thrown out on the street, not proposed to. Demonstrations of love should be made daily in little ways, not in a lump sum payment to buy her off. Anyone notice the size of the rock Kobe Bryant's wife got recently?
ThaGrandCow
Diamond Member
Yeah because nothing says 18 months like a new chip...
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just got that article in my inbox... one of the better ones i've read in a while.
fvck debeers. people did give stones on rings before debeers came around, but it was something that was at least actually rare (great grandmother had a ruby). if i'm going to be required to spend money on bling its gonna be something thats actually rare and isn't going to be found in large quantities inside my computer in 30 years
fvck debeers. people did give stones on rings before debeers came around, but it was something that was at least actually rare (great grandmother had a ruby). if i'm going to be required to spend money on bling its gonna be something thats actually rare and isn't going to be found in large quantities inside my computer in 30 years
JHU your analogy doesn't work, first off flowers have a very limited life span whereas if cared for properly "diamonds are forever", secondly flowers are not seen as a "status symbol" and thus many are not willing to pay a higher price for location or whatnot .....
With regards to the article I think it is pretty interesting and it might change things, but like a few others here I don't see it really impacting the industry anytime soon....synthetics have been around for quite some time, and many are very very good...yet people are not as enamoured with them as they are real diamonds...is it due to marketing?? possibly, but I think it also has to do with the fact that people know they are "synthetic" and machine made....would it hurt the diamond industry if people knew how "unrare" real diamonds really are?? I don't think so...I think that many already know that diamonds are not that rare, heck just look at how many you see in mall stores alone and it gives you a pretty good idea...
Also I love it when people suggest something like a ruby or an emerald or any other truly "rare" stone....honestly guys be lucky that diamonds are the choice of most women, if the stones they were looking for were truly rare and not as easily attainable you would be paying much much much more for them...diamonds are easy because
1. Everyone that wants a new one can have one
2. They are a clear stone so visually they are more appealing to more people and also since women like them most they color coordinate with their clothes and outfits very easily whereas a red, green or other colored rare stone will not
3. they are easily replaceable
I also find it funny how people automatically say "screw debeers" because of their past practices when many many companies have done very shady things in the past and continue to do so even as we speak....heck look at Nike yet I am sure plenty of people complaining here wear their stuff....of Volkswagon who supported the German Nazi regime with building equipment??
People never forced anyone to buy anything, sure they could have been influenced by marketing but cant one say this about any product? how many things do you buy because you read about them first or see a commercial??
I don't know, maybe I am more of a realist and don't like stuff like this get to me, or take it personally....if I were a betting man I would say many here who are the most vocal against diamonds/debeers are not against them for the "moral" reasons, but instead they want to justify their unwillingness to spend money 🙂, at least I know when I take a personal stance against a company there is usually a little more to it than their actions...personally I would never buy one for myself, but if it is something my fiancee wanted then I would have no issue with it because it would make her happy and because I know she is with me not because of the diamond or any other status item, however if you are with a woman who is only about the rock or the show of money then you might want to reconsider.....the best women are those who tell you not to spend your money on them, but to rule out a woman just because they think diamonds are nice and would want one IMHO is rather silly.
With the conflict diamonds vs. regular diamonds, while I do see the point of many, I also question how many other brands or items they like have they looked into the actions of the companies...again Nike comes to mind, how about the companies which make clothing in sweat shops, or those who exploit labor in other nations, or those who farm work out of the US and into other countries such as India?? there are a million reasons to justify not buying anything....again I think for some they might truly be into the whole moral aspect of conflict diamonds and blah blah blah but for many it is simply a justification not to buy something they personally see no value in and feel that since they don't like it than no one should...just my take on it though.
I see this doing one of two things....either 1. it will do nothing but add more synthetics on the market..ones which people will buy for costume jewelery but regular diamonds will still sell....
or
2. it will greatly devalue diamonds that are currently on the market, people will be able to buy them for almost nothing in all shapes and sizes, however with this women will not be as interested in them and find soemthing new to suppliment the void, a new item/product will take over as the "thing to have when married" or token of affection and we will see a whole new group of threads here on ATOT complaining about the new item, how the company sucks and overcharges for it and how people are brainwashed into buying it....ahh the circle of life 🙂
Those prices are not cheap or even a discount really. reasoning being that as rare as a natural yellow is, there isn't much demand for them. A pink or white diamond would prolly be an ok deal for those stones. But 1ct si2 yellow for 3350 isn't hot. I think this just proves that prices won't go down simply because, unless it becomes possible to make your own or get them mass produced like a bottle of coke, the market will support those high prices and if the market supports them, that's what will get charged usually.
bolido2000
Diamond Member
Great article. I wonder what will be the next "diamond" when diamonds lose their artificial appeal in the future.
JHU your analogy doesn't work, first off flowers have a very limited life span whereas if cared for properly "diamonds are forever", secondly flowers are not seen as a "status symbol" and thus many are not willing to pay a higher price for location or whatnot .....
oh but it does work. no one really cares where you get your flowers as long as they're there. similarly most people also don't care where a diamond comes from. they don't care whether it's a blood diamond from africa or a clean one from canada. they just want something nice and pretty. all things being equal, if you didn't tell anyone that your diamond is synthetic no one would know, and they certainly wouldn't bother to check.
I don't know, maybe I am more of a realist and don't like stuff like this get to me, or take it personally....if I were a betting man I would say many here who are the most vocal against diamonds/debeers are not against them for the "moral" reasons, but instead they want to justify their unwillingness to spend money , at least I know when I take a personal stance against a company there is usually a little more to it than their actions...personally I would never buy one for myself, but if it is something my fiancee wanted then I would have no issue with it because it would make her happy and because I know she is with me not because of the diamond or any other status item, however if you are with a woman who is only about the rock or the show of money then you might want to reconsider.....the best women are those who tell you not to spend your money on them, but to rule out a woman just because they think diamonds are nice and would want one IMHO is rather silly.
uhm, i don't like debeers because their money helps fund the conflicts in africa. if i were to get a natural diamond i'd get one that's certified from canada or australia. but really i'd rather get a moissanite since they just look better. luckily my s.o. isn't a big fan of diamonds either.
I see this doing one of two things....either 1. it will do nothing but add more synthetics on the market..ones which people will buy for costume jewelery but regular diamonds will still sell....
or
2. it will greatly devalue diamonds that are currently on the market, people will be able to buy them for almost nothing in all shapes and sizes, however with this women will not be as interested in them and find soemthing new to suppliment the void, a new item/product will take over as the "thing to have when married" or token of affection and we will see a whole new group of threads here on ATOT complaining about the new item, how the company sucks and overcharges for it and how people are brainwashed into buying it....ahh the circle of life
likely the former since natural emeralds are still pricier than their synthetic counterparts.
oh but it does work. no one really cares where you get your flowers as long as they're there. similarly most people also don't care where a diamond comes from. they don't care whether it's a blood diamond from africa or a clean one from canada. they just want something nice and pretty. all things being equal, if you didn't tell anyone that your diamond is synthetic no one would know, and they certainly wouldn't bother to check.
I don't know, maybe I am more of a realist and don't like stuff like this get to me, or take it personally....if I were a betting man I would say many here who are the most vocal against diamonds/debeers are not against them for the "moral" reasons, but instead they want to justify their unwillingness to spend money , at least I know when I take a personal stance against a company there is usually a little more to it than their actions...personally I would never buy one for myself, but if it is something my fiancee wanted then I would have no issue with it because it would make her happy and because I know she is with me not because of the diamond or any other status item, however if you are with a woman who is only about the rock or the show of money then you might want to reconsider.....the best women are those who tell you not to spend your money on them, but to rule out a woman just because they think diamonds are nice and would want one IMHO is rather silly.
uhm, i don't like debeers because their money helps fund the conflicts in africa. if i were to get a natural diamond i'd get one that's certified from canada or australia. but really i'd rather get a moissanite since they just look better. luckily my s.o. isn't a big fan of diamonds either.
I see this doing one of two things....either 1. it will do nothing but add more synthetics on the market..ones which people will buy for costume jewelery but regular diamonds will still sell....
or
2. it will greatly devalue diamonds that are currently on the market, people will be able to buy them for almost nothing in all shapes and sizes, however with this women will not be as interested in them and find soemthing new to suppliment the void, a new item/product will take over as the "thing to have when married" or token of affection and we will see a whole new group of threads here on ATOT complaining about the new item, how the company sucks and overcharges for it and how people are brainwashed into buying it....ahh the circle of life
likely the former since natural emeralds are still pricier than their synthetic counterparts.
I think this is hard to gauge, and it leads back into the post just above yours......I don't think the emerald comparison works since emeralds by nature are a *rare* stone, thus the price is automatically high, diamonds are not rare so it might have a different effect....like I said before also I am very glad that a truly rare stone isn't what people desire as if it were the prices would be simply rediculous, there wouldn't be much variety, and getting one would be next to impossible....personally I think if diamonds do go out of fashion because of this, the market gets saturated or whatnot then whatever replaces them would have to have many of the same characteristics...eg. readily available to all who want them as *new* (people like new stuff, and don't want their marriage symbol to have baggage with it unless it is good baggage like a family heirloom), varying prices and styles to fit budget and taste, easily replacable, and most importantly something that is easily marketed to a vast and broad group....but then again people have been predicting the end of the diamond industry now for the past thirty years and it still hasn't happened so who knows.
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