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Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
 
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
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Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
 
Originally posted by: BG4533
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
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Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
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Not to mention...hmmmm...MONEY????
 
Originally posted by: BG4533
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
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Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
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The machine uses about as much as 12 light bulbs do, so says the article.
 
Originally posted by: BG4533
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
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Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
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yeah..you have to take material and squish it down to oblivion..costs a LOT.


This is of course old news...GE and a russian group were the first do this A LONG time ago. Glad to see the synthetics are still with us.
 
This is a great article. Too bad I already bought an overpriced/overhyped "real" diamond a few year ago!?! I know that semiconductors is the ultimate goal of these companies, but hopefully they fvck deBeers along the way!
 
Originally posted by: KingNothing
Originally posted by: BG4533
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
Click to expand...

Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
Click to expand...

Not to mention...hmmmm...MONEY????
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I am reading the 5th page of the article out of 6.

One one of the first two pages it says the machine only uses about as much electricity as a dozen light bulbs or so. Not much electricity.

You could buy one of those machines for $57k but you would have to make a bunch of changes and have the EXACT timings and settings etc to get it to work. The settings and such took about 3 years for experts to look at. It was thought of like finding one special grain of sand in a beach.

"If you go into a florist and buy a beautiful orchid, it's not grown in some steamy hot jungle in Central America," he says. "It's grown in a hothouse somewhere in California. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a beautiful orchid."

"Do you care that it's not from De Beers?" I ask.

"De Beers?" he says. "Nobody cares if it's from De Beers. My clients just want a nice diamond."
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Funny how I read that one of the DeBeers agent says buying a synthetic diamond is not like a real diamond. Your SO isn't going to like how the diamond was made in a few days rather then take millions of years to make and thats suppose to symbolise your love for her. If she is so pathetically like that then dump the b!tch. But if you have money to burn then what the hell? Any other guy and just get her something nice. How long the diamond took to make is no symbol of your love. Its a DeBeers gimmick!

Koing

 
Originally posted by: jhu
I think you're underestimating the power of concentration of wealth. debeers could very well buy out the companies mfg'ng this stuff and once again completely monopolize the market. the russians are the next ones to worry about.

not if the companies are private
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<opinion>

Fine, DeBeers can buy the companies that manufacture diamond making machines.

Or lobby for new laws.

Or just harrass the hell out of the competition.

DeBeers has financial and political resources that the general can't hope to compete with.

My bet: in five years, the general and his staff will have had virtually zero impact on the diamond industry.

Besides, if he succeeds, the general only succeeds in manufacturing a product that is barely above worthless. He'll put himself out of business!

</opinion>
 
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: BG4533
Originally posted by: sandmanwake
Since these processes are patented, I can go online and check out the design of the machines right? And as long as I don't use it for commercial purposes I can build my own right?
Click to expand...

Good luck with that. I imagine it takes rather large amounts of power to do.
Click to expand...

yeah..you have to take material and squish it down to oblivion..costs a LOT.


This is of course old news...GE and a russian group were the first do this A LONG time ago. Glad to see the synthetics are still with us.
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It was done a long time ago but it was hit and miss though. Not exactly what you want though is it?

Now it is more refined and at the stage where that General guy can sell them. Hope they really break it big for those guys and get prices going down. Better for everybody. Get some cpu's made on diamond would be 😎

Koing
 
Originally posted by: NogginBoink
Originally posted by: jhu
I think you're underestimating the power of concentration of wealth. debeers could very well buy out the companies mfg'ng this stuff and once again completely monopolize the market. the russians are the next ones to worry about.

not if the companies are private
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<opinion>

Fine, DeBeers can buy the companies that manufacture diamond making machines.

Or lobby for new laws.

Or just harrass the hell out of the competition.

DeBeers has financial and political resources that the general can't hope to compete with.

My bet: in five years, the general and his staff will have had virtually zero impact on the diamond industry.

Besides, if he succeeds, the general only succeeds in manufacturing a product that is barely above worthless. He'll put himself out of business!

</opinion>
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Well I really don't give a sh!t if he makes it big on that market for my sake but for him and his team. Yeah why not? They worked hard. Its not going to be anytime soon that I am going to get a diamon anyway!

But a cpu made of diamon would be good for EVERYBODY and millions of people would buy that and pretty often at the rate some of you guys upgrade!

Koing

 
Two things...

1. I think it is awesome that people are able to do this. Being able to apply something like this to technology is a very cool concept. We could be in for pretty radical changes.

2. As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.
 
As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.

people are just plain stupid that way
 
Originally posted by: BigToque
Two things...

1. I think it is awesome that people are able to do this. Being able to apply something like this to technology is a very cool concept. We could be in for pretty radical changes.

2. As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.
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Yeah but the thing is WHO can honestly tell? Some of the labs don't even have machines sensitive enough to tell let alone any gem expert without the aid of these machines. By eyesight and with one of those jeweller magifine glass things what hope have you got?

I know where your coming from though. Its the whole knowing that is is actually *real* dilema.........
 
Originally posted by: jhu
As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.

people are just plain stupid that way
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lol....I dig the whole 'rent a movie theater on you anniversary so you can both watch the wedding videos on it" thin however....


..That guy was certaining getting some ass that night...😛


<---doesn't give a damn about diamons except in industrial use....


<---will prolly give his wife a quartz peeple on their anniversary....

"i picked it just for you baby...by that old abandoned mill in chatanooga...."
 
Originally posted by: BigToque
Two things...

1. I think it is awesome that people are able to do this. Being able to apply something like this to technology is a very cool concept. We could be in for pretty radical changes.

2. As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.
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Yep, I want my token of love to come from a company that exploits it's workers, is a monopoly, and supports wars in African nations. Now if it didn't come from DeBeers, then I'm all for what you said. But until then, I'd rather spend my money on the man made ones. Of course it's too late for me...but you youngens out there still have time...
 
Yeah, i took the time to read the article yesterday before bed, and man is it interesting...and it's not like a lot of the technologies that you read about, that sound great, but are years off, or just simply never come...this one's real, and coming up fast. I don't know where I would stand on buying a woman diamond...I spend lavishly on my SOs, but maybe I'd be her (if I were buying her a diamond to begin with) something smaller, like a carat, and then buy 2 carak necklaces and earrings...and a big "bling bling" for myself too. But that'd require getting my ears punched.

Good stuff.
 
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: BigToque
Two things...

1. I think it is awesome that people are able to do this. Being able to apply something like this to technology is a very cool concept. We could be in for pretty radical changes.

2. As far as using this process to create gemstones, I'm still a sucker for "the real thing". I don't even think that saving thousands of dollars on something like an engagement ring is worth it in my mind. Being able to buy a great diamond for the girl I want to marry is something I've wanted for a long time. Even if it is marketing, I'd rather be able to give a diamond that was created naturally in this amazing planet we live on. Getting something made in a factory just doesn't seem as appealing.
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Yep, I want my token of love to come from a company that exploits it's workers, is a monopoly, and supports wars in African nations. Now if it didn't come from DeBeers, then I'm all for what you said. But until then, I'd rather spend my money on the man made ones. Of course it's too late for me...but you youngens out there still have time...
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Well, since I want to get a diamond, I have two options. I can find a place that sells diamonds, or I can try to dig up the diamond myself. If I had the resources to do it, I would get the stone myself, then get someone to cut it. The latter option doesn't seem to be too feasable.
 
Fsck DeBeers... they started this whole stupid "diamond is forever" thing long time ago... in fact, who said you had to get a diamond engagement ring?

Friggin DEBEERS!! It's not even the rarest stone even though DeBeers made that claim before. In fact, people just used to give simple bands as engagement rings.

I would prolly still buy a cheaper but bigger synthetic diamond... the added bonus is a clear conscience. I guess a lot of the cost in a diamond is going to be the cutting of it.
 
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