FuzzyDunlops Toyota MR2 MK1.5 build thread.

[exdeath]

holy cow, deja vu! hehe



ok. I am blown away to tell truth. The 4AGE has about 112hp. The 3SGTE has 220hp and my engine being a little older and maybe abused probably puts down 195hp. There is only an 80hp difference between these cars and it is a phenominal difference. It just boggles my mind to think what it would be like to drive one of these cars with 400+ hp.

Stick a loaded gun in your mouth and touch the trigger but don't squeeze it.

That's probably what it feels like :sneaky:

 

[JCH13]

Stick a loaded gun in your mouth and touch the trigger but don't squeeze it.

That's probably what it feels like :sneaky:

Psh. With enough rubber anything feels safe!





:awe:

 

[exdeath]

Psh. With enough rubber anything feels safe!





:awe:

That's what she said!

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

pfftt! hahahahaha!!!

I'd be a fan of the C1s of those options. How much camber will you need to make them fit?

225/50-15 doesn't have many tire options, but 225/45-15 has the tasty RS3s, which are just an insane amount of dry grip.

He said he only needed a little camber - but was unspecific, Ill have to PM him. The RS3 is also available in 225/50/16, which I might be able to make fit in the back with my current rims. In the front I'd bet they'd scrub while turning. But that would save me buying new rims which, for some reason, Im still hesitant to do. I business associate commented that he liked the rims I have and told me not to go with 15's. hmmm.

Stick a loaded gun in your mouth and touch the trigger but don't squeeze it.

That's probably what it feels like :sneaky:

That is a scary thought.
Yesterday I let my brother drive my car while I sat in the passenger seat. It is WAY scarier being the passenger!!! hahaha. Its harder to predict the boost when your not driving, and the feeling of being sucked back in the seat while not in control made my palms sweat.

Also, yesterday evening, a guy in a PT Cruiser (yes, I am serious) pulled up beside me and fluttered his turbo. Lol, this guy had boosted his 2.4L PT Cruiser! He had brandname stickers all over car. lame. Anyways, he ended up spinning his tires, and I ended up missing second, but I still smoked him. We then pulled over and talked cars for a while. He claimed he was running 20PSI. - my first kill with the MK1.5 is a PT Cruiser. lol. yay. /golfclap

 

[jlee]

Also, yesterday evening, a guy in a PT Cruiser (yes, I am serious) pulled up beside me and fluttered his turbo. Lol, this guy had boosted his 2.4L PT Cruiser! He had brandname stickers all over car. lame. Anyways, he ended up spinning his tires, and I ended up missing second, but I still smoked him. We then pulled over and talked cars for a while. He claimed he was running 20PSI. - my first kill with the MK1.5 is a PT Cruiser. lol. yay. /golfclap

Haha...yeah once you get tires/grip, the only FWD car you need to worry about is the one rolling around on mostly flat bald front tires that are as wide as a bulldozer.

Some PT Cruisers came with a turbo from the factory, IIRC.

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

Yup, 2.4L motor is a scary one. In the Caliber SRT's they're factory rated for 285hp, but they dyno at 281whp. The PT Cruisers were rated for 215-230hp factory with 15psi. Some people have Calibers with 600+ whp motors.

 

[manimal]

Yup, 2.4L motor is a scary one. In the Caliber SRT's they're factory rated for 285hp, but they dyno at 281whp. The PT Cruisers were rated for 215-230hp factory with 15psi. Some people have Calibers with 600+ whp motors.

definately worse engines than those warhawks. Still junk to me though really buzzy and they shake like crazy under boost.


Nice shutdown story fuzz!

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

So what are you going to do now with the MK1.5 swap done?

manimal: I've thought about dropping a warhawk into an old Omni...my sister used to drive one and there was a GLH that used to play tag with the police when my dad lived in St. Louis. It would be fun...haha

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

So what are you going to do now with the MK1.5 swap done?

manimal: I've thought about dropping a warhawk into an old Omni...my sister used to drive one and there was a GLH that used to play tag with the police when my dad lived in St. Louis. It would be fun...haha

Done? oh no. The 3SGTE has SOOO much potential. First step is better plumbing. Ill just pick at the car, little by little, body work etc.


Edit: oh and just to be clear, my thread tag is not about you. but I think you already know that.

 

[alkalinetaupehat]

I think I remember the spat between you and other-alky, but it was cool that you mentioned this. I was hoping that owning a late-80's Toyota would get me into the cool club...

So with the plumbing are you looking at hard pipes for the turbo system or what?

Have you looked into redoing your rubber lines with silicone for the better wear characteristics?

What about wheels/brakes? Any Toyota components that swap over easily?

Man, it's so good to see an engine swap done. I'm going to love it when the Supra's heart transplant gets underway (in like a year :/ ).

 

[ballmode]

Off topic but I always see MR-S's with Honda K20's

Do and/or can you do that with the original MR2 and the 2nd gen?

I mean I can find base 2.2L n/a 1991-1995 MR2's all the time, why bother trying to find a turbo motor if you could just slap the K20 in it and do work from there

 

[JCH13]

Stock 3SGTE long block is good for nearly 400whp, and I bet it is less expensive than a Honda K20. Plus it'll already come with a turbo, ECU that can handle boost, etc. Heck, all a stock 3SGTE engine needs to make a shitload more power is a boost controller. Practically free power!

 

[jlee]

Off topic but I always see MR-S's with Honda K20's

Do and/or can you do that with the original MR2 and the 2nd gen?

I mean I can find base 2.2L n/a 1991-1995 MR2's all the time, why bother trying to find a turbo motor if you could just slap the K20 in it and do work from there

A K20 doesn't bolt in using existing mounting points, doesn't bolt up to a bolt-in Toyota transmission with bolt-in Toyota axles/etc.

 

[Black2na]

Off topic but I always see MR-S's with Honda K20's

Do and/or can you do that with the original MR2 and the 2nd gen?

I mean I can find base 2.2L n/a 1991-1995 MR2's all the time, why bother trying to find a turbo motor if you could just slap the K20 in it and do work from there

im not sure why they do it while not a bad swap to do *engine is light weight* a 2ZZ 1.8 bolts into the factory mounts you get to upgrade to a 6speed (if you buy an engine tranny combo) and that puts your at 184WHP na. now the 2zz is a little whore for boost as high compression as it is. at about 8psi your at 290-300whp all for under 5k and in a 2100lb car thats pretty damn impressive.

the 91-95 MR2 a very different chassis and about 2700-2900lbs so the lack of tq will suck all the fun out of the expensive engine swap. now for those chassis you actully better *ie read cheaper* to grab a V6 out of a camry and swapping it in for cheap fun. over 200ftlbs of tq and about 175-185hp. god i love MR2's

 

[jlee]

im not sure why they do it while not a bad swap to do *engine is light weight* a 2ZZ 1.8 bolts into the factory mounts you get to upgrade to a 6speed (if you buy an engine tranny combo) and that puts your at 184WHP na. now the 2zz is a little whore for boost as high compression as it is. at about 8psi your at 290-300whp all for under 5k and in a 2100lb car thats pretty damn impressive.

the 91-95 MR2 a very different chassis and about 2700-2900lbs so the lack of tq will suck all the fun out of the expensive engine swap. now for those chassis you actully better *ie read cheaper* to grab a V6 out of a camry and swapping it in for cheap fun. over 200ftlbs of tq and about 175-185hp. god i love MR2's

Or 275whp if you buy the right V6. :whiste:

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Yup, as Jlee pointed out, its tricky to get transmissions and axels to bolt up, but it has been done. Takes a lot of fabrication.

Also he custom made his own axle shafts so they were the right length. Pretty intense.

Also, Toyota has many engines which have the same amount of potential and wouldnt force you to go thru the hassle of making a honda/toyota hybrid. A 2ZZ supercharged, or BEAMS 3SGE, or 4AGZE w/ turbo instead of supercharger would all be a way easier swap than the K20 and would all have potential for 250+ (not so much the 4AGZE though).

Also, for viewing pleasure, the new Toyota Camry V6's 2gr-fe is good fun in a MK1 MR2

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

I think I remember the spat between you and other-alky, but it was cool that you mentioned this. I was hoping that owning a late-80's Toyota would get me into the cool club...

So with the plumbing are you looking at hard pipes for the turbo system or what?

Have you looked into redoing your rubber lines with silicone for the better wear characteristics?

What about wheels/brakes? Any Toyota components that swap over easily?

Man, it's so good to see an engine swap done. I'm going to love it when the Supra's heart transplant gets underway (in like a year :/ ).

Larger air intake plumping.
Better intercooling.
Need to replace a few gaskets and seals on the engine.
I am using the larger brakes from the 87-89 MR2 already (They do well enough.) and I am considering new wheel/tire combos.

There are also a few immediate problem areas I need to work out, for instance:
1. Need a new radiator drain seal.
2. Need to replace the valve cover gasket and bolts as I noticed that its actually a source of oil leak .
3. Replace/fix the coolant temp sensor (i may be able to solder it fixed, I think its just a corroded wire.)

Will you be making a build thread?

 

[jlee]

Speaking of future mods...I hear the MegaSquirtPNP is a lot of fun.

:sneaky:

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Speaking of future mods...I hear the MegaSquirtPNP is a lot of fun.

:sneaky:

hmmm, so tempting.

These are for USDM pinouts; the pinouts we've found for the 1990-1992 JDM MR2 Turbo look identical. So far we have not tested this MSPNP on a JDM car, but from all indications it should work.

Ill wait till this is tested as I have JDM engine. Gotta fix some quirks before I go that route.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

OK guys!! I FINALLY bought a better camera with a half decent video option.

Here is the first driving video of my MK1.5

Unfortunately it was in the rain but I still managed a decent pull up to approx 90mph. Watch the backend kicking out a little in second.

 

[AdamK47]

Man, I would be scared to do any full throttle run in the rain. If I did drive my cars in the rain. I'd probably lose traction and spin out.

 

[jlee]

hmmm, so tempting.


Ill wait till this is tested as I have JDM engine. Gotta fix some quirks before I go that route.

So do I.

I have a USDM engine harness though.

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Man, I would be scared to do any full throttle run in the rain. If I did drive my cars in the rain. I'd probably lose traction and spin out.

If I had throttled first, instead of letting it out easy, I'd been all over the place. The first two seconds of accelleration was just controlling the slip. Second was slipping around under full accelleration - you can see it in the vid a little.

So do I.

I have a USDM engine harness though.

O I C.
The tempation has risen a notch.

I think I may sell the silver MR2. I barely look at it anymore - with this new toy that one just seems dim. Its like the woody to the buzz light year. Woody still somehow seems important, but Buzz Light Year is the shit and makes Woody seem small in comparison. See what happens.

 

[exdeath]

So when you driving to Phoenix, AZ for a little ATG car meet?

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

So when you driving to Phoenix, AZ for a little ATG car meet?

Not entirely impossible. maybe after I fix a few leaks, quirks, and get A2W. and also when my car wont melt in the heat
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