Future problem in the country

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

I guess the whole "good samaritan" thing is lost on you then, eh?

If someone was a capable individual and just fell down on their luck, I'd help them out. But if someone was unable/unwilling to help themself and needed constant support, you're only delaying the inevitable.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: cubeless

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
reproductive freedom is a fundamental human right
obligatory financial support to people that make poor decisions is unjust

problem fixes itself if the second part is corrected

ain't heard about that china place, have ya... "fundamental human rights" are a political abstraction granted by whomever is in power...

you misunderstand
fundamental human rights are an absolute, and they exist whether or not society or government grants them.

these basic human rights have been suppressed in many ways by many different means, china is just a current example of flawed government . why do you think china is so criticized?

the us is not innocent either

i think i understand ok...

if you were to construct a system where everyone had just enough children to replace the population and everybody worked together for the common good then you would have a fully sustainable ecology that would have a different frame of reference, and a different view of 'inalienable rights'... if u r going to have a 'society', then u get a mess... that's the nature of people - they are hugely varied...

i worked at a gm assembly plant for a number of years... this changed my viewpoint about 'everybody can go further'... there are a lot of folks in our mishmosh that need simple jobs to go with their simple minds to give them the ability to lead simple lives... american capitalism does not support this natively, it seems that u need government (a necessary evil if u want to have a society) to step in a bit, since capitalism has a bad habit of killing itself long term for short term gains...

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: meltdown75

I guess the whole "good samaritan" thing is lost on you then, eh?

If someone was a capable individual and just fell down on their luck, I'd help them out. But if someone was unable/unwilling to help themself and needed constant support, you're only delaying the inevitable.

i think i finally get the real point of this thread.

you are a badass and you want the ATOT to know it (duly noted btw).

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

No, you're just making generalizations without any proof. Any high IQ individual that wanted to debate should be able to communicate the issue clearly, provide proof to back-up their claims and then provide a solution. You have done known of that.

So, are you against poor people in general which in your OP or just those that leech off the system?

You have no proof for any of your generalizations.

You have no solutions to your problem.

There is no acceptable "solution" to this problem. The only logical solutions are morally unacceptable in our current society.

I understand that some people will need help, and the real issue is where you are willing to draw the line. For me, I don't mind supporting those that honestly need help and are trying their hardest to make ends meet. However, I am completely against those that leech off the system and refuse to hold a steady job, blow their income on frivolous things, and have multiple children that they are not able to financially support. Those leeches should be cut off and forced to fend for themselves.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I was thinking how the country seems to be getting dumber each year. It seems that states are looking for more and more ways to extract money from people because the states are spending more than they're bringing in. I was wondering why we seem to be getting more inefficient and I thought about a pretty basic fact: the poor reproduce at a much faster rate than the wealthy.

While people on this board are probably wealthier (or will be wealthier) than the general population, there are masses of complete degenerates that are feeding and breeding at a fast pace. Their kids will inherit the same poor genes and habits that their parents have, and they'll most likely need more assistance than the children of wealthier parents.

What can be done about this problem? It's not politically correct to suggest neutering women that are on welfare tand have 6 kids, but somewhere you have to make the decision that it's just not worth the future hassle of having to deal with this problem.

Another way to look at it is this: a country's productivity leads to its prosperity, and that prosperity is at stake when you have a system that forces the breadwinners to feed the deadbeats and degenerates who either refuse or are too stupid to support themselves. And yet those people are allowed to continue breeding, and the smaller number of offspring of the breadwinners will inevitably have to provide for the larger number of offspring of the poor. This puts a drag on the productivity of the country as whole. A side effect of our current system is that it lets the genes of the unwilling/unable spread at a faster rate than the willing/able, essentially pissing in our gene pool.

And you people call me elitist?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

i think i finally get the real point of this thread.

you are a badass and you want the ATOT to know it (duly noted btw).

That made absolutely no sense.

I gave an honest answer to your question and since you had no rational reply you came up with that.

 

[rhky1234]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Fox5


Society and the works of man are far greater than anything that could be hoped to be achieved by evolution. At least over any time frame we're concerned with.
If there are poor, unproductive members of society, the solution is not to let them die, it's to raise and nurture them into being useful.

By doing that you're hurting the human race as a whole in the long term in order to appease a small group in the short term.

Sink or swim, but don't try to climb aboard my raft and act as dead weight while I paddle for shore.

Have proof or making more generalizations?

You seem to ask for proof for common sense ideas. If you stated that swallowing a Western Digital hard drive was bad for your health and I called BS and asked for proof, does that make your statement untrue if you're unable to find a link that directly states it?

People instinctively try to avoid mating with others with bad genes. Usually what people find attractive are indicators fo good genes, such as clean skin, symmetry of ones body, intelligence, etc. If someone came across someone who has really bad skin, obvious physical deformities, low intelligence, etc, they'd tend to think they're unhealthy and undesirable.

Modern society has deemed it politically correct to cover up those undesirable qualities and as a result more bad genes are making it into the gene pool.

We are doing ourselves a disservice in the long run by helping the weak survive. We're actively working against natural selection.

No, you're just making generalizations without any proof. Any high IQ individual that wanted to debate should be able to communicate the issue clearly, provide proof to back-up their claims and then provide a solution. You have done known of that.

So, are you against poor people in general which in your OP or just those that leech off the system?

You have no proof for any of your generalizations.

You have no solutions to your problem.

OP is saying common sense does not need proof. I don't think you are capable of understanding what he's saying and neither are some of the posters. It's funny that some of you are attacking his ability to convey. I think he does it quite well compared to your emotional outbursts.

Solution is quite simple. Segregation. It worked well before. It was abolished because of looney lefties like yourself. It worked well for South Africa. There was no crime. Everyone lived in harmony. But now, what do you have? a cesspool of the civilized and uncivilized, crime, corruption. And it's going to get worse and worse with every single day passing.

Anyone with a bleeding heart for the poor and the uncivilized should be required to live in the ghetto and help them and see how long you would last without a gang of thugs gang raping you and your SO. That's right. Don't just hide behind the internet and speak from the comfort of home in a good neighborhood about the reasons why the poor and the oppressed are the way they are.

Talk the talk. Walk the walk. Do it! Sacrifice yourself for the poor and the oppressed. If you do it, then I'll have respect for you, not as a hypocrite.

I don't think you have the guts to do it.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: meltdown75

If someone was a capable individual and just fell down on their luck, I'd help them out. But if someone was unable/unwilling to help themself and needed constant support, you're only delaying the inevitable.

i think i finally get the real point of this thread.

you are a badass and you want the ATOT to know it (duly noted btw).

That made absolutely no sense.

I gave an honest answer to your question and since you had no rational reply you came up with that.

[/quote]
sorry, i was trying to be light and have a sense of humour. it's one of my many flaws - making light of serious situations a little too often. call it a coping mechanism if you wish, or perhaps a "poking" mechanism. i do it to try to get inside people's heads. continue on with serious thread, serious cat approves. no offense kind sir but it does seem like you are on a high horse through this entire lameass thread. maybe once we all bow to your vision and ideals, you'll finally shut the fuck up.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Helping the poor is not giving out power.

Of course I want the most qualified individuals to be in power. Unfortunately, we haven't had that in at least the last 7 years.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Elitist does not equal most qualified.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Elitist does not equal most qualified.

Well, except in my case.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: meltdown75

maybe once we all bow to your vision and ideals, you'll finally shut the fuck up.

Bow now.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Helping the poor is not giving out power.

Of course I want the most qualified individuals to be in power. Unfortunately, we haven't had that in at least the last 7 years.

Agreed.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: rhky1234

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Fox5


Society and the works of man are far greater than anything that could be hoped to be achieved by evolution. At least over any time frame we're concerned with.
If there are poor, unproductive members of society, the solution is not to let them die, it's to raise and nurture them into being useful.

By doing that you're hurting the human race as a whole in the long term in order to appease a small group in the short term.

Sink or swim, but don't try to climb aboard my raft and act as dead weight while I paddle for shore.

Have proof or making more generalizations?

You seem to ask for proof for common sense ideas. If you stated that swallowing a Western Digital hard drive was bad for your health and I called BS and asked for proof, does that make your statement untrue if you're unable to find a link that directly states it?

People instinctively try to avoid mating with others with bad genes. Usually what people find attractive are indicators fo good genes, such as clean skin, symmetry of ones body, intelligence, etc. If someone came across someone who has really bad skin, obvious physical deformities, low intelligence, etc, they'd tend to think they're unhealthy and undesirable.

Modern society has deemed it politically correct to cover up those undesirable qualities and as a result more bad genes are making it into the gene pool.

We are doing ourselves a disservice in the long run by helping the weak survive. We're actively working against natural selection.

No, you're just making generalizations without any proof. Any high IQ individual that wanted to debate should be able to communicate the issue clearly, provide proof to back-up their claims and then provide a solution. You have done known of that.

So, are you against poor people in general which in your OP or just those that leech off the system?

You have no proof for any of your generalizations.

You have no solutions to your problem.

OP is saying common sense does not need proof. I don't think you are capable of understanding what he's saying and neither are some of the posters. It's funny that some of you are attacking his ability to convey. I think he does it quite well compared to your emotional outbursts.

Solution is quite simple. Segregation. It worked well before. It was abolished because of looney lefties like yourself. It worked well for South Africa. There was no crime. Everyone lived in harmony. But now, what do you have? a cesspool of the civilized and uncivilized, crime, corruption. And it's going to get worse and worse with every single day passing.

Anyone with a bleeding heart for the poor and the uncivilized should be required to live in the ghetto and help them and see how long you would last without a gang of thugs gang raping you and your SO. That's right. Don't just hide behind the internet and speak from the comfort of home in a good neighborhood about the reasons why the poor and the oppressed are the way they are.

Talk the talk. Walk the walk. Do it! Sacrifice yourself for the poor and the oppressed. If you do it, then I'll have respect for you, not as a hypocrite.

I don't think you have the guts to do it.

You're a complete idiot. South Africa was segregated by race not by economic level

Why do you live in the US?

The OP's original post generalized all poor people not just the one's that leech off the system. Do you have poor reading comprehension?

What are you talking about? I volunteer, work with the homeless and do a lot more to help other's than you ever will b/c I have compassion for others and want to make this a better place. I also live in Cambridge, MA which has the highest percentage of subsidized housing of any city in the country. Actually, stats have shown that crime has decreased over the last 5 years. So, what the fuck are you talking about?

Why don't you walk the walk and not just create an account to just post in this single thread, troll?

Segregation? GTFO.

Stop talking about common sense if you have no proof to back it up as common sense.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Elitist does not equal most qualified.

When I mean elite, I mean those that are most qualified. Money itself doesn't make someone elite in my opinion. Paris Hilton is certainly not elite.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Why don't you walk the walk and not just create an account to just post in this single thread, troll?

Segregation? GTFO.

Stop talking about common sense if you have no proof to back it up as common sense.

You're getting too emotional to carry on a rational argument. Go back in your cave.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Why don't you walk the walk and not just create an account to just post in this single thread, troll?

Segregation? GTFO.

Stop talking about common sense if you have no proof to back it up as common sense.

You're getting too emotional to carry on a rational argument. Go back in your cave.

Why don't you stop making generalizations with no proof to back them up? Then have no solutions, so you create a thread to just troll.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: meltdown75

maybe once we all bow to your vision and ideals, you'll finally shut the fuck up.

Bow now.

brown cow?

DAMN IT. must. stop. neffing. in. serious thread

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

And you people call me elitist?

There's nothing wrong with being elitist. Ask yourself this question: do you want the most qualified individuals to be in control, or do you want to give out power like a charity case?

Elitist does not equal most qualified.

When I mean elite, I mean those that are most qualified. Money itself doesn't make someone elite in my opinion. Paris Hilton is certainly not elite.

[/]

You just negated your argument. The Poor should not be allowed to start threads.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: sandorski

You just negated your argument. The Poor should not be allowed to start threads.

False.

Your poor understanding is what you get when you think purely on an emotional level. Please stay out of this discussion as you're not mentally fit to participate.

 

[rhky1234]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: rhky1234

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Fox5


Society and the works of man are far greater than anything that could be hoped to be achieved by evolution. At least over any time frame we're concerned with.
If there are poor, unproductive members of society, the solution is not to let them die, it's to raise and nurture them into being useful.

By doing that you're hurting the human race as a whole in the long term in order to appease a small group in the short term.

Sink or swim, but don't try to climb aboard my raft and act as dead weight while I paddle for shore.

Have proof or making more generalizations?

You seem to ask for proof for common sense ideas. If you stated that swallowing a Western Digital hard drive was bad for your health and I called BS and asked for proof, does that make your statement untrue if you're unable to find a link that directly states it?

People instinctively try to avoid mating with others with bad genes. Usually what people find attractive are indicators fo good genes, such as clean skin, symmetry of ones body, intelligence, etc. If someone came across someone who has really bad skin, obvious physical deformities, low intelligence, etc, they'd tend to think they're unhealthy and undesirable.

Modern society has deemed it politically correct to cover up those undesirable qualities and as a result more bad genes are making it into the gene pool.

We are doing ourselves a disservice in the long run by helping the weak survive. We're actively working against natural selection.

No, you're just making generalizations without any proof. Any high IQ individual that wanted to debate should be able to communicate the issue clearly, provide proof to back-up their claims and then provide a solution. You have done known of that.

So, are you against poor people in general which in your OP or just those that leech off the system?

You have no proof for any of your generalizations.

You have no solutions to your problem.

OP is saying common sense does not need proof. I don't think you are capable of understanding what he's saying and neither are some of the posters. It's funny that some of you are attacking his ability to convey. I think he does it quite well compared to your emotional outbursts.

Solution is quite simple. Segregation. It worked well before. It was abolished because of looney lefties like yourself. It worked well for South Africa. There was no crime. Everyone lived in harmony. But now, what do you have? a cesspool of the civilized and uncivilized, crime, corruption. And it's going to get worse and worse with every single day passing.

Anyone with a bleeding heart for the poor and the uncivilized should be required to live in the ghetto and help them and see how long you would last without a gang of thugs gang raping you and your SO. That's right. Don't just hide behind the internet and speak from the comfort of home in a good neighborhood about the reasons why the poor and the oppressed are the way they are.

Talk the talk. Walk the walk. Do it! Sacrifice yourself for the poor and the oppressed. If you do it, then I'll have respect for you, not as a hypocrite.

I don't think you have the guts to do it.

You're a complete idiot. South Africa was segregated by race not by economic level

Why do you live in the US?

The OP's original post generalized all poor people not just the one's that leech off the system. Do you have poor reading comprehension?

What are you talking about? I volunteer, work with the homeless and do a lot more to help other's than you ever will b/c I have compassion for others and want to make this a better place. I also live in Cambridge, MA which has the highest percentage of subsidized housing of any city in the country. Actually, stats have shown that crime has decreased over the last 5 years. So, what the fuck are you talking about?

Why don't you walk the walk and not just create an account to just post in this single thread, troll?

Segregation? GTFO.

Stop talking about common sense if you have no proof to back it up as common sense.

An idiot would be someone keeps on giving himself up for the homeless and the oppressed to be ravaged your time only to be reciprocated with unkindness. Maybe, you're not a complete idiot because some homeless are actually appreciative of your efforts. So tell me are there any that really appreciate your volunteering or do they just call you a dumb "cracka"?

If you had any true compassion and were a good person, you would not have blown up like you just did. A true compassionate person knows not to curse, is calm and collected.

Like I said, you don't have the guts to live amongst these people. Volunteering part time is not the same as living amonst them 24/7.

Overall, crime rate has increased abruptly last 30-40 years since the civil rights movement. I think even you know that.

Lastly, the poor people in this country are almost always defined as the blacks. You can thank your mainsteam media for that.

In conclusion, you lack the intellectual depth to understand what I said that they're all inter-related. Real life is more complicated than a simple 1+1=2. Politics and agendas come into play and unfortunately for most people they cannot imagine evils behind them nor do they want to know. Life is simpler not knowing, and I guess this includes you.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Why don't you walk the walk and not just create an account to just post in this single thread, troll?

Segregation? GTFO.

Stop talking about common sense if you have no proof to back it up as common sense.

You're getting too emotional to carry on a rational argument. Go back in your cave.

Why don't you stop making generalizations with no proof to back them up? Then have no solutions, so you create a thread to just troll.

You sound like a high school kid on a clueless rampage to end stereotyping, all the while acting like everyone else their age.

We live in reality, son. Deal with it.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: rhky1234
An idiot would be someone keeps on giving himself up for the homeless and the oppressed to be ravaged your time only to be reciprocated with unkindness. Maybe, you're not a complete idiot because some homeless are actually appreciative of your efforts. So tell me are there any that really appreciate your volunteering or do they just call you a dumb "cracka"?

If you had any true compassion and were a good person, you would not have blown up like you just did. A true compassionate person knows not to curse, is calm and collected.

Like I said, you don't have the guts to live amongst these people. Volunteering part time is not the same as living amonst them 24/7.

Overall, crime rate has increased abruptly last 30-40 years since the civil rights movement. I think even you know that.

Lastly, the poor people in this country are almost always defined as the blacks. You can thank your mainsteam media for that.

In conclusion, you lack the intellectual depth to understand what I said that they're all inter-related. Real life is more complicated than a simple 1+1=2. Politics and agendas come into play and unfortunately for most people they cannot imagine evils behind them nor do they want to know. Life is simpler not knowing, and I guess this includes you.

Well, it's really useless to talk to a racist troll.

And yes, when I volunteer at the homeless shelter, they are all very thankful.

Again, reading comprehension for the loss. I mentioned that not only do I volunteer but I live in the city with the highest % of subsidized housing. I'm not afraid to get mugged/raped/etc. Again, you're wrong.

Maybe, you need to stop reading the paper and watching the news. The real world isn't that scary.

Oh and mods, can you check to see rhky1234 = 91TTZ? They both communicate in the same manner. If they are the same, please ban.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Oh and mods, can you check to see rhky1234 = 91TTZ? They both communicate in the same manner. If they are the same, please ban.

I'm not the other poster, nor do I know them. We don't communicate in the same manner, either. You're sounding desperate at this point.

Since you don't like someone's message you want to see them banned even though they aren't breaking any forum rules. Lame.