Fukishima is working again

[Steeplerot]

It does not help that the Chernobyl situation is not even remotely applicable to how modern reactors are operated today.

Yet when a modern reactor pops it spreads the same junk all over just like Chernobyl. Hell, the evidence now shows the plants didnt even make it past the earthquake itself before melting down.

The Tsunami just made the situation worse, there was radiation detected all over the site before the water even came.

The Japanese built their plants to much higher standards then we do here seismically. And look what happened to them.

Turning past tracts of the USA into no-mans land with billions/trillions of cleanup cost is not clean energy, or even rational.

 

[rcpratt]

Yet when a modern reactor pops it spreads the same junk all over just like Chernobyl. Hell, the evidence now shows the plants didnt even make it past the earthquake itself before melting down.

The Tsunami just made the situation worse, there was radiation detected all over the site before the water even came.

The Japanese built their plants to much higher standards then we do here. Look what happened to them.

Uh, I'd like to see that evidence.

Japanese standards, like many standards around the world, are based off of American NRC standards.

 

[Steeplerot]

Uh, I'd like to see that evidence.

Japanese standards, like many standards around the world, are based off of American NRC standards.

The authors have spoken to several workers at the plant. Each recites the same story: Serious damage to piping and at least one of the reactors before the tsunami hit. All have requested anonymity because they are still working at or connected with the stricken plant. Worker A, a 27-year-old maintenance engineer who was at the Fukushima complex on March 11, recalls hissing, leaking pipes.

“I personally saw pipes that had come apart and I assume that there were many more that had been broken throughout the plant. There’s no doubt that the earthquake did a lot of damage inside the plant. There were definitely leaking pipes, but we don’t know which pipes – that has to be investigated. I also saw that part of the wall of the turbine building for reactor one had come away. That crack might have affected the reactor.”

The walls of the reactor are quite fragile, he notes.

“If the walls are too rigid, they can crack under the slightest pressure from inside so they have to be breakable because if the pressure is kept inside and there is a buildup of pressure, it can damage the equipment inside the walls. So it needs to be allowed to escape. It’s designed to give during a crisis, if not it could be worse – that might be shocking to others, but to us it’s common sense.”

WORKER B, a technician in his late thirties who was also on site at the time of the earthquake recalls what happened.

“It felt like the earthquake hit in two waves, the first impact was so intense you could see the building shaping, the pipes buckling, and within minutes, I saw pipes bursting. Some fell off the wall. Others snapped. I’m pretty sure that some of the oxygen tanks stored on site had exploded but I didn’t see for myself. Someone yelled that we all needed to evacuate. I was severely alarmed because as I was leaving I was told, and I could see, that several pipes had cracked open, including what I believe were cold water supply pipes. That would mean that coolant couldn’t get to the reactor core. If you can’t get sufficient coolant to the core, it melts down. You don’t have to be a nuclear scientist to figure that out.”

 

[rcpratt]

No shit pipes broke. It was a huge fucking earthquake. I see no evidence that they were pipes carrying reactor coolant water. There are lots of fucking pipes in a nuclear plant and most of them are non-safety related and not radioactive in the slightest. The turbine building isn't safety-related. How would a crack in the turbine building affect the reactor?

Any article that doesn't know the difference between "reactor pressure vessel," "containment," and "reactor building" is pretty worthless in my book. I assume he's talking about the reactor building, which is not a fission product barrier, because what he says about "easily breakable" (lol) is certainly not true about the RPV or containment. Oxygen tanks very well may have exploded. So what.

Not only is that article ridiculous, but nowhere does it even say that the reactors had started to melt down before the tsunami. You are a moron.

 

[halik]

The bio lid blew upward and came back down at a 60 degree angle on the reactor (and to this day hangs rather precociously). There is a video on youtube of some crazy Russian scientists climbing on top of it.

The graphite fires were bad though, they almost lost the running reactor next to Chernobyl #2. Very brave fireman climbed up on the turbine hall roof and put it out before it overtook more buildings. The firefighters died a horrible death in days but probably saved Europe.

There is NO WAY that happened - they were scientists on the roof of the reactor building, found 5-10SI, around the reactor and the vessel 200-300SI. You'd be dead before you made it near the vessel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o

 

[QuantumPion]

Yet when a modern reactor pops it spreads the same junk all over just like Chernobyl. Hell, the evidence now shows the plants didnt even make it past the earthquake itself before melting down.

The Tsunami just made the situation worse, there was radiation detected all over the site before the water even came.

The Japanese built their plants to much higher standards then we do here seismically. And look what happened to them.

Turning past tracts of the USA into no-mans land with billions/trillions of cleanup cost is not clean energy, or even rational.

According to the NRC, INPO, WANO, TEPCO, the Japanese government, and a multitude of agencies, none of the units were damaged by the earthquake itself. They lost offsite power due to downed power lines but all emergency systems were working normally. It wasn't until the tsunami hit and they lost backup power that trouble began. You are simply making up facts (i.e. outright, bold-faced lying) to support your political agenda.

 

[Steeplerot]

You are a moron.

You are a shill, I trust an actual plant worker over some guy who installs port-a-potties in plants. (which is about your knowledge level you have shown of the subject)

 

[rcpratt]

You are a shill, I trust an actual plant worker over some guy who installs port-a-potties in plants. (which is about your knowledge level you have shown of the subject)

I enjoy tracking your level of desperation by how pathetic your insults are.

 

[Steeplerot]

According to the NRC, INPO, WANO, TEPCO, the Japanese government, and a multitude of agencies, none of the units were damaged by the earthquake itself. They lost offsite power due to downed power lines but all emergency systems were working normally. It wasn't until the tsunami hit and they lost backup power that trouble began. You are simply making up facts (i.e. outright, bold-faced lying) to support your political agenda.

Yet the workers eyewitness report tell a very different story, they have downplayed this since the start of course.

You would apologize for the soviet government too who said all was fine at Chernobyl I bet.

I am not the one with a political agenda, I am pointing out corruption and obvious industry BS that is typical in these situations.

 

[fskimospy]

There is NO WAY that happened - they were scientists on the roof of the reactor building, found 5-10SI, around the reactor and the vessel 200-300SI. You'd be dead before you made it near the vessel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o

Ooh! I'm hoping to visit Chernobyl next year and I've never seen this documentary. Thanks!

 

[QuantumPion]

You are a shill, I trust an actual plant worker over some guy who installs port-a-potties in plants. (which is about your knowledge level you have shown of the subject)

And this, is the basis of liberalism. Pure, insane denial of reality. Or as George Orwell called it, double-think. If you are a subject matter expert, your opinion cannot be trusted because you are a shill. If you have no subject expertise or firsthand knowledge whatsoever, you are supposed to be taken with the utmost seriousness as you are supposedly untainted by facts.

 

[Steeplerot]

And this, is the basis of liberalism. Pure, insane denial of reality. Or as George Orwell called it, double-think. If you are a subject matter expert, your opinion cannot be trusted because you are a shill. If you have no subject expertise or firsthand knowledge whatsoever, you are supposed to be taken with the utmost seriousness as you are supposedly untainted by facts.

You all have no facts, just more industry lies like usual. Let me guess? You are on the government nuke dole also?

Tell us again how cesium/stronium is just like a banana like you did when Fuku popped. xD

You all don't know jack, and are the last people should be listening to with obvious conflict of interests.

 

[fskimospy]

And this, is the basis of liberalism. Pure, insane denial of reality. Or as George Orwell called it, double-think. If you are a subject matter expert, your opinion cannot be trusted because you are a shill. If you have no subject expertise or firsthand knowledge whatsoever, you are supposed to be taken with the utmost seriousness as you are supposedly untainted by facts.

That has nothing to do with liberalism, as confirmation bias knows no ideology.

 

[Steeplerot]

Not a single person has died or will ever die from radiation from Fukushima.

There is no excuse for someone supposedly knowledgeable to lie like this.

You are scientifically irresponsible with a obvious agenda.

Japan Times Column: “As the public – possibly worldwide – sickens over time, the truth will leak out” about Fukushima

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20111101ad.html

 

[QuantumPion]

You all have no facts, just more industry lies like usual. Let me guess? You are on the government nuke dole also?

Tell us again how cesium/stronium is just like a banana like you did when Fuku popped. xD

See what I mean? Facts are lies and lies are facts to you. You are totally unhinged from reality. No I do not work for the government.

The maximum dose to people living in the vicinity of Fukushima is still less than 1/2 of the federal limit for radiation workers, which is a level where there is no statistical evidence of causing any cancer.

 

[rcpratt]

Still waiting for you to address any of the points I made besides the "you're a moron" point.

 

[QuantumPion]

That has nothing to do with liberalism, as confirmation bias knows no ideology.

It has nothing to do with confirmation bias whatsoever. It is the strictly liberal/progressive idea that government = good, industry = evil. Therefore, any person or idea associated with industry = evil, and person or idea associated with government = good. This leads to a situation where the people that know what they are talking about, because they work in the industry, are considered evil, while the less you know about the subject, the more pure you are and therefore more trustworthy.

 

[Steeplerot]

Radiation Causing Unusual Changes: What's Happening to Children Now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_O2j_f43P4&

 

[Steeplerot]

It has nothing to do with confirmation bias whatsoever. It is the strictly liberal/progressive idea that government = good, industry = evil. Therefore, any person or idea associated with industry = evil, and person or idea associated with government = good. This leads to a situation where the people that know what they are talking about, because they work in the industry, are considered evil, while the less you know about the subject, the more pure you are and therefore more trustworthy.

You are being a partisan tool now, I have pointed out many times the regulators here are in bed with the industry, this is a well known fact in the industry that the NEA is nothing but a rubber stamp functionary.

 

[fskimospy]

It has nothing to do with confirmation bias whatsoever. It is the strictly liberal/progressive idea that government = good, industry = evil. Therefore, any person or idea associated with industry = evil, and person or idea associated with government = good. This leads to a situation where the people that know what they are talking about, because they work in the industry, are considered evil, while the less you know about the subject, the more pure you are and therefore more trustworthy.

That has nothing to do with liberalism, although I do find it funny that you are angry about someone denying reality while trying to promote a totally delusional account of what liberals are like. Might want to check yourself out, physician. Liberals do not believe that industry is evil. Liberals do not believe that people associated with industry are evil. Liberals do not celebrate ignorance. I can't believe you need to have this explained to you, but you seem to have lost connection with reality.

Oh, and it's totally confirmation bias. Steeplerot would be very happy to accept expert opinion if it told him what he wanted to hear. Experts that agree with him are smart people with knowledge of how things really work. Experts that disagree with him are part of a nefarious plot. This is a common problem with all people, regardless of ideology. Interesting that you only noticed it in people you disagree with politically.

 

[QuantumPion]

Oh, and it's totally confirmation bias. Steeplerot would be very happy to accept expert opinion if it told him what he wanted to hear. Experts that agree with him are smart people with knowledge of how things really work. Experts that disagree with him are part of a nefarious plot. This is a common problem with all people, regardless of ideology. Interesting that you only noticed it in people you disagree with politically.

Oh ok I see what you mean now. I agree with you there.

 

[Steeplerot]

That has nothing to do with liberalism,.

No, it does not, it is about the fact that I posted a video on a serious tip from the guy who has been in charge of decommissioning the USA's Nuke power plants since the 1970s and they want to say that "everything is safe!". They are tools who cannot accept scientific evidence. Plain and simple.

Why the hell would I *want* this stuff to be worse then it is? I am a fan of science, not endlessly arguing with people with obvious conflicts of interest.

The BS of "No one will ever be harmed by Fuku" is just stupid and over the top to say.

 

[halik]

Radiation Causing Unusual Changes: What's Happening to Children Now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_O2j_f43P4&

Unless they're suffering from acute radiation syndrome, you won't see any impact on their health for many years. There is absolutely no medial evidence showing otherwise and you certainly won't see any long term effects 6 months later.

 

[Genx87]

This thread is looking like the old thread. Where steeplerot spews a bunch of half truths and ignorant crap. rcpratt schools him on the technicals. Steeplerot tries to change subject. I am getting some popcorn. This is getting good. Havent seen a steeplerot ownage thread in months.

 

[Steeplerot]

Unless they're suffering from acute radiation syndrome, you won't see any impact on their health for many years. There is absolutely no medial evidence showing otherwise and you certainly won't see any long term effects 6 months later.

IMO we shall see the live threatening affects beyond the bloody noses within 5 years, a few leukemias. Lots of thyroid problems, the big issues will happen 10-20 years with random pulmonary problems. It is not about fearmongering but waking people up to a very serious health issue no one wants to confront for a myriad of reasons.

Get the kids back from the iodine 131 releases would be a start. This is madness having little kids peeing the stuff out.

Fukushima Disaster BBC Report on Children and the Protection of Power Plants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byO6lzMblC8&