[Fudzilla] BenQ and Viewsonic F[r]eeSync monitors in time for holidays

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Dribble

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We've also still got to see freesync work, only a fanboy would assume it's just going to be perfect without ever having seen it in action, and so far AMD has not impressed on that front. Nvidia demo'd fully working gsync in games a long time before you could buy a monitor, AMD have not (fixed frame rate videos don't count). Why is that? You know if it worked AMD would have demo'd it as it would slow down gsync sales, so you've got to assume it doesn't work yet. So how well will it work - the bar is high as nvidia's implementation is pretty well flawless, and while the monitors are expensive they are brilliant gaming monitors (not just because of the gsync support).

Reminds me of 3D - AMD also had the open free answer to all things 3D and the forums were full of fanboys proclaiming how good it was, and how nvidia's closed expensive solution was a dead end. In the end it was supported natively in a total of 1 game as far as I am aware, and that game didn't have a good 3D implementation, now AMD have quietly dropped it, unlike Nvidia who stayed true to their claims and keep the 3D support going. If you'd listened to the fanboys and bought a samsung 3D monitor and AMD card you were a fool, 3D vision was well worth the additional cost.
 
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wand3r3r

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The biggest difference *would* be if freesync monitors are a lot cheaper or basically free (and widely supported).

If they are basically the same price as any other monitor, then I would see it as an awesome feature and wouldn't be as concerned about sticking with AMD for future upgrades. (Nothing lost)

On the other hand, if I'm forced to pay a considerable premium (gsync) then I would be more concerned about losing the paid benefit.

I do suspect that there may be a slight premium initially simply due to the feature being new in monitors.

Those that see nothing wrong with two different standards, what about everything else which isn't cross vendor such as physx/3d etc. which have great potential but simply fail (require financial compensation) due to the fact that they aren't supported by both sides.
 
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Atreidin

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There are only 2 graphics card companies..... One supports Freesync, one supports Gsync. Freesync locks you into AMD, Gsync into Nvidia.

I'm failing to see how one is "more flexible" than the other. Unless Nvidia supports Freesync, you're still locked into one company....

I don't think the difference is that hard to understand. One is available to use to the other company, and one is not. Nvidia can adopt Freesync if it wants, but AMD can't ever use Gsync.

Intel has a big chunk of the market too from integrated graphics, which are getting better and better, and they might want to implement adaptive sync too. They'd probably want to implement the standard that has less fees and hoops to jump through.
 

Atreidin

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Those that see nothing wrong with two different standards, what about everything else which isn't cross vendor such as physx/3d etc. which have great potential but simply fail (require financial compensation) due to the fact that they aren't supported by both sides.

Yes, this. The quickest way to get this technology out there is to have the companies cooperate and avoid the potentially long time period of competing standards, which will keep some people on the sidelines and probably raise costs for everyone.

Also if Gsync is so great, Nvidia fans should try to get their favorite company to work with AMD and let them use it so adoption will happen faster, maybe with a reasonable licencing fee. Everything has to be combative, though, to feed the some stupid brand war so I doubt that will happen.
 

NomanA

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There are only 2 graphics card companies..... One supports Freesync, one supports Gsync. Freesync locks you into AMD, Gsync into Nvidia.

I'm failing to see how one is "more flexible" than the other. Unless Nvidia supports Freesync, you're still locked into one company....

Freesync and AdaptiveSync are not the same things. These monitors from Samsung, BenQ, and Viewsonic support the VESA AdaptiveSync spec for variable refresh rate. They are only called Freesync monitors in these articles, because AMD can use the Freesync GPUs with these monitors, and not because there's some AMD provided logic in their control boards. Any other IHV can develop their own variable refresh rate tech and interface with these displayport monitors.

Keep in mind that AdpativeSync spec has been around for five years, though not in desktop displays. This is the first time, adaptivesync compliance monitors are coming out. And these monitors are not locked to any particular GPU vendor, unlike the GSync monitors.
 
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96Firebird

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Keep in mind that AdpativeSync spec has been around for five years, though not in desktop displays.

The mobile displays you are referring to only used the spec for power saving features, never the gaming features we expect to see in the coming months. If these displays only work like they did on mobile, I will be one sad panda.
 

Black Octagon

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So, if BenQ and Viewsonic have these monitors out by Christmas, this means we can expect professional reviews (of FreeSync) the next 3-4 weeks, right?
 

DigDog

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i can't wait for the reviews.

(my prediction is that if this works, nvidia will copy freesync in a heartbeat)
 

Headfoot

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Endlessly crapping on TN is immensely tiring. You DO realize that there are high quality TN panels, low quality TN panels, high quality IPS panels, low quality IPS panels; right?

It's simply unproductive to categorize so strongly on the panel type. Gotta figure out actual color shift and color reproduction traits per panel. Sorry the world doesn't fit into nice little boxes but that's how it goes
 

tential

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I don't think the difference is that hard to understand. One is available to use to the other company, and one is not. Nvidia can adopt Freesync if it wants, but AMD can't ever use Gsync.

Intel has a big chunk of the market too from integrated graphics, which are getting better and better, and they might want to implement adaptive sync too. They'd probably want to implement the standard that has less fees and hoops to jump through.

Like I said "Unless Nvidia adopts freesync". And they most likely won't. It's a small chance in hell they'll support Freesync. I guess you believe Nvidia will also support Mantle too?
 

AnandThenMan

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Nvidia is not going to have a choice but to support A-Sync. G-Sync will suffer the same fate as PhysX and 3D vision, limited adoption due to single vendor proprietary nature.

Mantle is not a valid comparison.
 

AnandThenMan

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FreeSync is the tech that talks to the A-Sync capability of the display. This is why Nvidia can support adaptive sync no problem they just have to make their hardware and software stack capable of doing it. Nvidia could call their version 'Nsync.

BTW if Nvidia truly believed that G-Sync is the superior solution then they would haven no issues also supporting A-Sync. Offer both, the inferior according NV and their own.
 

tential

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FreeSync is the tech that talks to the A-Sync capability of the display. This is why Nvidia can support adaptive sync no problem they just have to make their hardware and software stack capable of doing it. Nvidia could call their version 'Nsync.

BTW if Nvidia truly believed that G-Sync is the superior solution then they would haven no issues also supporting A-Sync. Offer both, the inferior according NV and their own.

You've proven right here that you don't understand Nvidia...
 

lefty2

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I read it that BenQ and Viewsonic had to delay their launch, so it's not before Xmas:
Our sources indicated that Samsung changed AMD0s mind and insisted to be the first one to announce its FreeSync lineup. The other two players, who originally wanted to announce their monitors and even ship them by the end of November, had to slightly delay their rollout plans.
 

DooKey

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Nvidia is not going to have a choice but to support A-Sync. G-Sync will suffer the same fate as PhysX and 3D vision, limited adoption due to single vendor proprietary nature.

Mantle is not a valid comparison.


Does any other video card vendor support A-sync (freesync) besides AMD? Does any other video card vendor besides AMD (GCN only) support Mantle?


Seems like we have two companies supporting different standards. May the best one win.
 

AnandThenMan

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Mantle does not replace DX or OpenGL, it coexists with it. Mantle may become open to use by other GPU vendors. A-sync is free to use by any company. G-Sync is locked to only one vendor it is not a standard and never will be. See PhysX and 3D Vision as other examples of proprietary tech that withered on the vine due to locked down nature.

Your comparison is flawed.
 

Phynaz

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Does any other video card vendor support A-sync (freesync) besides AMD? Does any other video card vendor besides AMD (GCN only) support Mantle?


Seems like we have two companies supporting different standards. May the best one win.

Gsync isn't a standard.
 

Black Octagon

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Endlessly crapping on TN is immensely tiring. You DO realize that there are high quality TN panels, low quality TN panels, high quality IPS panels, low quality IPS panels; right?

It's simply unproductive to categorize so strongly on the panel type. Gotta figure out actual color shift and color reproduction traits per panel. Sorry the world doesn't fit into nice little boxes but that's how it goes


You, good Sir, appear to be in the wrong thread.

The purpose of this thread is not to make wild blanket statements about different panel types.

It's (apparently) to make wild blanket statements about a new monitor technology that is not yet on the market and has not been professionally reviewed yet.
 

DiogoDX

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Just read a hint that next catalyst will come with freesync support. More precisely that next driver will bring new features and more performance to 290X, 290 and 285 cards.