FUD: NV to drop GT200 Prices

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: n7
Well, @ $650, they were & will only get scraps...the price drop shows this.

But if they drop them a bit more even, then people will be much more interested.

To me, the really big mistake is how badly they crippled the GTX 260.
It's a completely meaningless card as it's not really any better than the 4870, & that leaves a huge gap to the GTX 280 - the beast to have (assuming no price limits, etc.).

The thing is at launch they were priced appropriately for market position as single GPUs.

The 4870s launched and turned out to be kick ass cards, now the market will adjust.

You're a perfect example. I've never known you to buy based on brand, yet you're not jumping on a 4870, and I'm guessing after your scathing 3870X2 review, you're not saving up for a 4870X2. (at least if the things you didn't like are unchanged)

You'd like a GTX280, and are just waiting for it to be priced at what you're willing to pay. So to you, the GTX280 is the card to have.

Now let's say the rumor is true that NVIDIA gave vendors $90 off the price of a GTX280. Is it conceivable the vendors might knock another few bucks off to jump start sales?

I think so- check this out:

Asus GTX280 at newegg for $579.00 AMIR

I don't know if this is part of the rumored price drop, but it's the cheapest GTX280 I've seen.

The prices are starting to drop due to competition, everybody wins.

I think that $499 was the price to get to for gtx 280. by going to $470 AR shipped on that msi card they're completely obliterating their margins in the short run but keeping a lot of customers away from amd.

As soon as 4870 production ramps up they'll drop to $250 now. Nvidia CAN'T lower their gt 200 prices enough to compete with 48x0, b/c amd's cost is so much lower. however, we're all going to win

edit: after reading through the rest of the thread, I think that $470 is actually a good idea for nvidia right now. they need to blow through these gt 200 65nm parts asap b/c 4870x2 and 55nm gt 200 are both going to get here very quickly imho. nvidia just needs to recoup as much cash as possible at this point, cut their losses, and throw everything into 55nm and especially 45nm refreshes.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: n7
Well, @ $650, they were & will only get scraps...the price drop shows this.

But if they drop them a bit more even, then people will be much more interested.

To me, the really big mistake is how badly they crippled the GTX 260.
It's a completely meaningless card as it's not really any better than the 4870, & that leaves a huge gap to the GTX 280 - the beast to have (assuming no price limits, etc.).

The thing is at launch they were priced appropriately for market position as single GPUs.

The 4870s launched and turned out to be kick ass cards, now the market will adjust.

You're a perfect example. I've never known you to buy based on brand, yet you're not jumping on a 4870, and I'm guessing after your scathing 3870X2 review, you're not saving up for a 4870X2. (at least if the things you didn't like are unchanged)

You'd like a GTX280, and are just waiting for it to be priced at what you're willing to pay. So to you, the GTX280 is the card to have.

Now let's say the rumor is true that NVIDIA gave vendors $90 off the price of a GTX280. Is it conceivable the vendors might knock another few bucks off to jump start sales?

I think so- check this out:

Asus GTX280 at newegg for $579.00 AMIR

I don't know if this is part of the rumored price drop, but it's the cheapest GTX280 I've seen.

The prices are starting to drop due to competition, everybody wins.

I think that $499 was the price to get to for gtx 280. by going to $470 AR shipped on that msi card they're completely obliterating their margins in the short run but keeping a lot of customers away from amd.

As soon as 4870 production ramps up they'll drop to $250 now. Nvidia CAN'T lower their gt 200 prices enough to compete with 48x0, b/c amd's cost is so much lower. however, we're all going to win

edit: after reading through the rest of the thread, I think that $470 is actually a good idea for nvidia right now. they need to blow through these gt 200 65nm parts asap b/c 4870x2 and 55nm gt 200 are both going to get here very quickly imho. nvidia just needs to recoup as much cash as possible at this point, cut their losses, and throw everything into 55nm and especially 45nm refreshes.

People said they "couldn't" lower prices and were "stuck" 2 weeks ago, didn't turn out to be true. I don't think we can speculate what NVIDIA and there OEMs "can't do at this point- they've already done what most said they "couldn't".

I don't think you can expect a cash rich market leader to just say "Darn! They beat us, we'll try again next time.".

If AMD's pricing depends on expected volume, and they can't hit that because of competition, it may be difficult for them to lower prices as well.

 

[lopri]

There are now 3 different brands' GTX 280 @$499. Haha OMG.

I think I'm still passing it though. HD 4870 handles Oblivion @2560x1600 with 8AA/16AF. I can't go any higher. Really tempting, though.

 

[Lonyo]

UK prices seem to have dropped by about 25% from launch prices. £400 -> £300 for the GTX 280 and down to ~£200 for the 260.
Sucks for the early adopters.

 

[lopri]

To be semi-honest (semi because I know NV loves margins), it's not too surprising after seeing how HD 4870 performs first-hand. I'm playing with it a bit more before I post my first impression.

Originally posted by: nRollo

People said they "couldn't" lower prices and were "stuck" 2 weeks ago, didn't turn out to be true. I don't think we can speculate what NVIDIA and there OEMs "can't do at this point- they've already done what most said they "couldn't".

Does it sound a little desparate or is it just me?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: AmberClad
The big three - EVGA/XFX/BFG seem like they don't want to get with the program. Especially BFG - wow, selling for $650 .

That's because we do what Nvidia tells us regarding the price drops. Some companies jumped the gun. After all, if they make both Nvidia and ATI cards, I don't think they'd care too much about minor details like pricing.

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I have to wonder though, will there be any kind of backlash from the early adopters? I know I'd be pretty pissed if I just shelled out $650 for a graphics card just so that 2 weeks later it can drop in price by $200. I guess that's part of what comes with the territory of being an early adopter.

Wounded iPhone Children? (WiPC)

As for the high price of the GTX 280, last I checked an Intel Extreme Edition chip was pretty pricey for barely more performance, and supercars are pretty pricey for barely more performance than more mundane vehicles like Vipers and Corvettes. Also, Raptor HDDs are pricey for the extra bit of performance.

For some people that little extra bit of performance is worth it. There are other products for the rest of us.

But the CPU situation is a bit different then the GPU situation. Right now AMD doesn't have anything that can approach the level of performance of Intel's upper end quads. Intel can price them pretty well wherever it wants, AMD has no answer. On the GPU front Nvidia was pricing the GTX280 like nothing could touch it, but the truth is that a much, much cheaper card from AMD was right there performance wise, sometimes even surpasses it. I know if I spent $650 on a GPU then I'd think that it should never lose to a $300 GPU from the same generation. Nvidia priced the GTX280 like they have QX9770 performance compared to a Phenom 9850, but in truth it's more like Q6600 performance to the Phenom 9850.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: lopri
There are now 3 different brands' GTX 280 @$499. Haha OMG.

I think I'm still passing it though. HD 4870 handles Oblivion @2560x1600 with 8AA/16AF. I can't go any higher. Really tempting, though.

Considering the competition 280 shouldn't be more than $399.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: lopri
There are now 3 different brands' GTX 280 @$499. Haha OMG.

I think I'm still passing it though. HD 4870 handles Oblivion @2560x1600 with 8AA/16AF. I can't go any higher. Really tempting, though.

Considering the competition 280 shouldn't be more than $399.

Maybe when the 4870 X2 comes into the picture you could say that, but not now. The GTX 280 is still a much better card than the HD 4870 in terms of performance and features. For one PhysX support is a nice thing to have; right now it's not a big deal but once the GeForce PhysX drivers are improved and support more games, it will be something worth paying for IMO. The GTX 280 outperforms the 4870 across the board and the performance is only close with 8xAA and in one or two games (i.e. Bioshock). Right now it's hard to judge 4870 oc'ing because CCC locks it at 790MHz, but at least for now, the GTX 280 can overclock better as well.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: lopri
To be semi-honest (semi because I know NV loves margins), it's not too surprising after seeing how HD 4870 performs first-hand. I'm playing with it a bit more before I post my first impression.

Originally posted by: nRollo

People said they "couldn't" lower prices and were "stuck" 2 weeks ago, didn't turn out to be true. I don't think we can speculate what NVIDIA and there OEMs "can't do at this point- they've already done what most said they "couldn't".

Does it sound a little desparate or is it just me?

They could, and they did.
And then their forecasts dropped and so did their share price.
They could, but they really didn't want to.

 

[bryanW1995]

their problem was that they released higher guidance and then had to back down on it significantly. nvidia's issue now is to get as much back out of their investment as possible. they've already lost $$$, it's just a question of how much they can get back to fight again another day.

 

[RussianSensation]

Here we go....Thanks to ATI, NV's prices are being lowered:

GTX 260 - $299 (MSRP $399 - $100 down)

GTX 280 1GB - $459 after $50 MIR (MSRP $649 - $190 down)

I guess it pays to wait sometimes to see what the competition brings

 

[Magusigne]

Yup...methinks of selling my 200$ 4870..pocketting the money and waiting for the GTX280 vs 4870x2 war

 

[Aberforth]

LOL GTX 260 @ 299...now thats a very cheap competition....pathetic nv, you could have thought of this weeks ago :thumbsdown: EPIC FAIL.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
LOL GTX 260 @ 299...now thats a very cheap competition....pathetic nv, you could have thought of this weeks ago :thumbsdown: EPIC FAIL.

Yea stupid Nvidia, starting high and then dropping prices! Everyone knows that in business, you start low and then raise prices!

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: Janooo

Originally posted by: lopri
There are now 3 different brands' GTX 280 @$499. Haha OMG.

I think I'm still passing it though. HD 4870 handles Oblivion @2560x1600 with 8AA/16AF. I can't go any higher. Really tempting, though.

Considering the competition 280 shouldn't be more than $399.

Maybe when the 4870 X2 comes into the picture you could say that, but not now. The GTX 280 is still a much better card than the HD 4870 in terms of performance and features. For one PhysX support is a nice thing to have; right now it's not a big deal but once the GeForce PhysX drivers are improved and support more games, it will be something worth paying for IMO. The GTX 280 outperforms the 4870 across the board and the performance is only close with 8xAA and in one or two games (i.e. Bioshock). Right now it's hard to judge 4870 oc'ing because CCC locks it at 790MHz, but at least for now, the GTX 280 can overclock better as well.

PhysX can run on 3800 and there is a good chance it will run on 4800 hardware as well.
You can argue about 10.1 for 4800 in the same way. It's a nice thing to have.
OC 4870's are on the way. We'll see shortly.

 

[will889]

280 will be @ $400.00 - $430.00 within 3 weeks - either that or IMO huge masses with flock to the 4870 and the red team. Some people will have to buy a new case to fit a GTX280 though - so that's another expense. Enormously sized card although a very good and fast card. I would love to have a 280 myself.

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: will889
280 will be @ $400.00 - $430.00 within 3 weeks - either that or IMO huge masses with flock to the 4870 and the read team. Some people will have to buy a new case to fit a GTX280 though - so that's another expense. Enormously sized card although a very good and fast card. I would love to have a 280 myself.

I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

 

[lopri]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

Not at all

 

[ginfest]

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

Not at all

What case is that? Coming from an Antec I love the room in there

 

[HOOfan 1]

Originally posted by: ginfest

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

Not at all

What case is that? Coming from an Antec I love the room in there

Looks like a Coolermaster RC-690...which would also easily fit a GTX 280...which was my entire point....anyone who can't fit a GTX 280 in their case, may not fit a ATI HD 4850 in their case.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: ginfest

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

Not at all

What case is that? Coming from an Antec I love the room in there

Looks like a Coolermaster RC-690...which would also easily fit a GTX 280...which was my entire point....anyone who can't fit a GTX 280 in their case, may not fit a ATI HD 4850 in their case.

Not necessarily true. I have a Lian Li case, and I can easily route wires to the rear-facing power connector with roon to spare, but the gtx280 might not fit because of the hard drive cage.

 

[Janooo]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1

Originally posted by: ginfest

Originally posted by: lopri

Originally posted by: HOOfan 1
I wouldn't be suprised if anyone that has to buy a new case for a GTX 280 would also have to buy a new case for a HD4870. The GTX 280 is about an inch and a half longer, but has the PCI-E slots on the side, whereas the HD4870 has them facing backwards, that will add at least an inch of connector and cable to the mix.

Not at all

What case is that? Coming from an Antec I love the room in there

Looks like a Coolermaster RC-690...which would also easily fit a GTX 280...which was my entire point....anyone who can't fit a GTX 280 in their case, may not fit a ATI HD 4850 in their case.

Not necessarily true. I have a Lian Li case, and I can easily route wires to the rear-facing power connector with roon to spare, but the gtx280 might not fit because of the hard drive cage.

4870 - 9.5"
4850 - 9"
9800GTX - 10.5"
260/280 - 10.5"
As you can see here and here.