Frontline: Last Abortion Clinic

[JEDIYoda]

actually after reading through this thread and laughing my butt off....

This threads reads like a who`s who of adolescent kids who post on these forums who don`t quite read or comprehend what the original question was that was being asked....

As usual the P&N forums should be renamed The Adolescense Forums!!

Except for a couple of you who are trying to understand and post accordingly this topic; like so many posted here in P&N do not reflect anywhere near the thoughts of the average every day adult - who btw would just shake there heads and laugh at the BS that is being spewed here!!

But hey even adolescents need a place to play around and act silly@@!

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: aidanjm
So you think you should have the right to force a potentially life threatening medical procedure on another citizen who is mentally competent to make decisions for herself? lol.

No, he should have the right to waive away parenthood, just as a potential mother can.

The mother can't waive away parenthood after the infant is born. (She can put the child up for adoption, I suppose, but that requires agreement with the father). What the mother can do is decide to abort a fetus inside her womb.

The man gets to decide where he deposits his semen.

Then the woman decides when she spreads her legs.

If the woman can abort away the liabilities of parenthood, the man should be able to as well.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

That actually sort of makes sense...

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm just pointing out that in this situation, where three people are involved, one person has all the power.

Who is the third person? Surely you are not referring to the fetus, which is not a person at all.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
So I'll just lay the story out. I had a psycho GF who manipulated her BC to get pregnant.

You seem to be placing responsibility for pregnancy prevention on someone other than yourself. Why aren't you taking responsibility? Did your "psycho" girl friend manipulate you into not using condoms? Or was that decison down to your own selfish desire to fvck without condoms (which let's face it does feel better, but allows unwanted pregnancies to occur)?

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
She did this because she knew we weren't going to last. She was with me for the money and she knew that if she got preggo she could get enough in child support from me that she wouldn't have to work. In the end her friends talked her into getting an abortion. *whew*

I firmly believe that the father should have as much right to demand an abortion as the mother. Especially when fraud is involved.

You are pathetic. Use a condom, or get a vasectomy. Quit whining. Take responsibility for your own pathetic pleasure-seeking actions. Keep 'it' in your pants, or stfu.

Why doesn't she keep her pants up?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I'm just pointing out that in this situation, where three people are involved, one person has all the power.

Who is the third person? Surely you are not referring to the fetus, which is not a person at all.

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
So I'll just lay the story out. I had a psycho GF who manipulated her BC to get pregnant.

You seem to be placing responsibility for pregnancy prevention on someone other than yourself. Why aren't you taking responsibility? Did your "psycho" girl friend manipulate you into not using condoms? Or was that decison down to your own selfish desire to fvck without condoms (which let's face it does feel better, but allows unwanted pregnancies to occur)?

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
She did this because she knew we weren't going to last. She was with me for the money and she knew that if she got preggo she could get enough in child support from me that she wouldn't have to work. In the end her friends talked her into getting an abortion. *whew*

I firmly believe that the father should have as much right to demand an abortion as the mother. Especially when fraud is involved.

You are pathetic. Use a condom, or get a vasectomy. Quit whining. Take responsibility for your own pathetic pleasure-seeking actions. Keep 'it' in your pants, or stfu.

Why doesn't she keep her pants up?

She doesn't need to. She can have the fetus scraped out of her womb (if she so desires) and be back on her legs in 20 min.

Males are not entitled to 'equal say' in whether a given fetus is to be aborted, because the reproductive division of labour isn't "fair" and the fetus is developing in the woman's body.
Since when does one citizen get to make medical decisions for another mentally competent adult citizen (against that citizen's will)?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

That actually sort of makes sense...

no it doesn't make any sense, at all. You are talking about two entirely separate things:

1) The first issue is whether or not to abort a fetus before it develops into a person. The mobile sperm production unit has no input re: this decision from a legal perspective, and rightly so imo: Since when does one adult citizen get to make intimate medical decisions about another adult citizen's body?

2) who is going to provide financial support to the child AFTER BIRTH. This is an entirely separate question than whether or not to allow the fetus to develop into a child in the first place. The mother and father are both legally required to support their child.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: aidanjm
So you think you should have the right to force a potentially life threatening medical procedure on another citizen who is mentally competent to make decisions for herself? lol.

No, he should have the right to waive away parenthood, just as a potential mother can.

The mother can't waive away parenthood after the infant is born. (She can put the child up for adoption, I suppose, but that requires agreement with the father). What the mother can do is decide to abort a fetus inside her womb.

The man gets to decide where he deposits his semen.

Then the woman decides when she spreads her legs.

Yes, the woman gets to decide who she fvcks.

She also gets to decide - without any input from the sperm production unit - whether or not the fetus will be carried to term or scraped from her womb.

Originally posted by: zendari
If the woman can abort away the liabilities of parenthood, the man should be able to as well.

The woman cannot simply disavow parenting responsibilities once her child is born.

Therefore the father should not have the right avoid or shirk responsibilties to the child, either.