Frontline: Last Abortion Clinic

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Have you actually read the Roe v Wade decision? It's quite a bit murkier than extending free press rights to the internet.

Umm, I have not stated that Roe v Wade has anything to do with Free Speech. I have stated that Right's to certain things are interpreted from the Basic Principles written into the Constitution.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Painman
Men's right to an abortion? What a bunch of fscking malarkey. You stick your prick in the hole without a raincoat, you take your chances. You know perfectly well what the hole was ultimately designed for, and it ain't the reaffirmation that you're "a man". You make your choices and live with the consequences.

And so when woman decides to screw a man, and she gets pregnant, and then makes the secondary decision not to have an abortion, she should live with the consequences of her unwillingness to abort; which is to raise a child without the mandated help of the man.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

:thumbsup:

Since when does a man carry a fetus to term for 9 months in his belly?

You both sound like male chauvinist pigs or religious whackos

So, the man can force a woman to have an abortion?

The Government OWNS your sperm and eggs and can tell you what you can do with them?

I think it is fair to tell you that as soon as it comes out of the womb and the umbilical cord is cut that you are not allowed to end that life.

Maybe in the future the precogs can start killing mothers who even think about abortion so the state can take away the baby?

 

[dahunan]

When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE chauvinists say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

:thumbsup:

Since when does a man carry a fetus to term for 9 months in his belly?

You both sound like male chauvinist pigs or religious whackos

So, the man can force a woman to have an abortion?

The Government OWNS your sperm and eggs and can tell you what you can do with them?

I think it is fair to tell you that as soon as it comes out of the womb and the umbilical cord is cut that you are not allowed to end that life.

Maybe in the future the precogs can start killing mothers who even think about abortion so the state can take away the baby?

Emotive
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

WWYBTB?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

Sorry.. but did he put his penis in her without protection knowing full well that it could CREATE A BABY :Q

So how long should he be allowed to make up his mind whether he respects that decision or not?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

This thread is oversaturated with adolescent boys who have little to no sexual experience who hate the last girl that dumped them so much they have an axe to grind against all women now. Typical pigs who will some day grow up and realize that they have no right or control over women and what they do or don't do with their bodies. Sounds like some good old fashioned control freaks with Oedipus complexes.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

Sorry.. but did he put his penis in her without protection knowing full well that it could CREATE A BABY :Q

So how long should he be allowed to make up his mind whether he respects that decision or not?

Have some self respect and attempt to contain your irrational nature a bit.


I'm not even sure your very poorly reasoned post is worth responding to in any length.


Are you aware that a woman also is part of the decision to have sex? And that protection can fail?


Your posts are example number xxxx of why it is difficult for me to put a great deal of esteem into current liberal thought. The postings you've made on this page is some of the most poorly-reasoned emotive crap I've seen on P+N yet. The harshness of that description is deserved unfortunately, particularly because of your namecalling.

 

[dahunan]

Frackal I hear what you are saying and do agree that a man can either wear a condom, pay for the birth control pills or pay for a morning after pill if he does not want to produce a baby. He needs to be responsible..

If he didn't want the baby then he better make sure BEFORE he fornicates with her.. Write a contract beforehand.. not after... The responsibility is shared as soon as his chocolate got on her peanut butter.. etc 😉

*******Honestly.. .how much time do you think he should truly be allowed.. you made it sound like he should get 6 months to figure his sh!t out ..

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

No no no no... You're not getting off that easy. I didn't say that at all. Nice try.

I asked about the woman who deliberately deceives the man in an effort to score a free ride (child support) for the next 20 years.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

This thread is oversaturated with adolescent boys who have little to no sexual experience who hate the last girl that dumped them so much they have an axe to grind against all women now. Typical pigs who will some day grow up and realize that they have no right or control over women and what they do or don't do with their bodies. Sounds like some good old fashioned control freaks with Oedipus complexes.

Absurd. Why is it that a kid is "a woman's body and no one else's business!" when its in the womb, but once it pops out it becomes "a precious child that requires the man's financial support no matter what?"


You're being inconsistent.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

Sorry.. but did he put his penis in her without protection knowing full well that it could CREATE A BABY :Q

So how long should he be allowed to make up his mind whether he respects that decision or not?

Have some self respect and attempt to contain your irrational nature a bit.


I'm not even sure your very poorly reasoned post is worth responding to in any length.


Are you aware that a woman also is part of the decision to have sex? And that protection can fail?


Your posts are example number xxxx of why it is difficult for me to put a great deal of esteem into current liberal thought. The postings you've made on this page is some of the most poorly-reasoned emotive crap I've seen on P+N yet. The harshness of that description is deserved unfortunately, particularly because of your namecalling.

Ever feel like a condescending and self-righteous creep or do you never look into the mirror? 😉

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

Sorry.. but did he put his penis in her without protection knowing full well that it could CREATE A BABY :Q

So how long should he be allowed to make up his mind whether he respects that decision or not?

Have some self respect and attempt to contain your irrational nature a bit.


I'm not even sure your very poorly reasoned post is worth responding to in any length.


Are you aware that a woman also is part of the decision to have sex? And that protection can fail?


Your posts are example number xxxx of why it is difficult for me to put a great deal of esteem into current liberal thought. The postings you've made on this page is some of the most poorly-reasoned emotive crap I've seen on P+N yet. The harshness of that description is deserved unfortunately, particularly because of your namecalling.

Ever feel like a condescending and self-righteous creep or do you never look into the mirror? 😉

I basically just asked the same thing of you. Care to answer?

 

[Painman]

Originally posted by: Frackal
[And so when woman decides to screw a man, and she gets pregnant, and then makes the secondary decision not to have an abortion, she should live with the consequences of her unwillingness to abort; which is to raise a child without the mandated help of the man.

It takes two to tango. Can you say, "consensual"? I knew you could. Any couple who engages in vaginal intercourse without the intention of producing a child, without first agreeing to what, if any, contraceptive measures will be employed, and what to do if pregnancy happens through failure/non-use of said contraception, is engaging in irresponsible behavior. BOTH of you.

Stop trying to rationalize this abdication of personal responsibility, it's quite un-conservative.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

This thread is oversaturated with adolescent boys who have little to no sexual experience who hate the last girl that dumped them so much they have an axe to grind against all women now. Typical pigs who will some day grow up and realize that they have no right or control over women and what they do or don't do with their bodies. Sounds like some good old fashioned control freaks with Oedipus complexes.

Absurd. Why is it that a kid is "a woman's body and no one else's business!" when its in the womb, but once it pops out it becomes "a precious child that requires the man's financial support no matter what?"


You're being inconsistent.

I raised one kid that I did not father and two of my own. The dead beat dad skipped the country and never looked back. So you are barking up the wrong tree. If you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime. Plain and simple.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

No no no no... You're not getting off that easy. I didn't say that at all. Nice try.

I asked about the woman who deliberately deceives the man in an effort to score a free ride (child support) for the next 20 years.

Some of these questions are so far away from the current issues around abortion.. Most people just want to ban it .. period..

Obviously a court of law should determine if this woman did what you are saying and if so then she needs to be held responsible.. There is still some shared responsibility since the man did shove his cock in her.. He should have been a bit more careful.. But if it can be proven that she deliberately deceived him then something needs to be done to far lessen his responsibility.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

No no no no... You're not getting off that easy. I didn't say that at all. Nice try.

I asked about the woman who deliberately deceives the man in an effort to score a free ride (child support) for the next 20 years.

Then that man should be a better judge of her character and keep his prick in his pants. No sex, no child to have to worry about paying for. No man gets deceived, only gratified.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Frackal I hear what you are saying and do agree that a man can either wear a condom, pay for the birth control pills or pay for a morning after pill if he does not want to produce a baby. He needs to be responsible..

If he didn't want the baby then he better make sure BEFORE he fornicates with her.. Write a contract beforehand.. not after... The responsibility is shared as soon as his chocolate got on her peanut butter.. etc 😉

*******Honestly.. .how much time do you think he should truly be allowed.. you made it sound like he should get 6 months to figure his sh!t out ..

Why is it by default the man's responsibility to prevent pregnancy? With all the female cries for equality you'd think the current thought would be it is both parties who are responsible.


Equal responsibility goes along with the concept of equal rights, and vice versa.

A man does not have equal rights in deciding whether a pregnant woman keeps the baby, therefore he should not have government mandated equal responsibility to it.


There is a severe logic deficit going on in these arguments here, with an unusual but rather apparent absolute hatred for (some) men coming from men.... or are you women?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Frackal
Strawman.
Ad hominem. (chauvinist pigs, wackos)

That wasn't the argument.



The argument is not "men can force a woman to have an abortion."


It is:

"If a woman decides to carry a child to term against the express wishes of a man, the woman must take responsibility for that independence and care for the child, whether the man wishes to or not."

The man should be able to make a formal request for an abortion, and if denied, he is legally exempt from having to care for the child. This must be done before the time to abort legally has passed.


It's about applying the argument that abortions should be acceptable for the good of the presently existing persons. Women are now the only ones considered in that argument, but if it truly is to be legitimate and honest, it should apply to men as well.

Sorry.. but did he put his penis in her without protection knowing full well that it could CREATE A BABY :Q

So how long should he be allowed to make up his mind whether he respects that decision or not?

Have some self respect and attempt to contain your irrational nature a bit.


I'm not even sure your very poorly reasoned post is worth responding to in any length.


Are you aware that a woman also is part of the decision to have sex? And that protection can fail?


Your posts are example number xxxx of why it is difficult for me to put a great deal of esteem into current liberal thought. The postings you've made on this page is some of the most poorly-reasoned emotive crap I've seen on P+N yet. The harshness of that description is deserved unfortunately, particularly because of your namecalling.

Ever feel like a condescending and self-righteous creep or do you never look into the mirror? 😉

I basically just asked the same thing of you. Care to answer?

I did and at least you had enough respect not to respond like superboy Frackal

 

[Polish3d]

It seems you find it difficult to respond to logical points and instead resort to emotive namecalling.


Your namecalling towards me is a reflection of you as an individual, not me.

(Addendum:


I see you edited out the more heinous namecallling 😀 )

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: dahunan
When are you dumbasses going to volunteer to use your belly as a fvcking 9 month incubator...


Too many men are just scumbags who want some good pussy so they bnng a woman and get her pregnant and then leave her.. and somehow you NO CHOICE mother fvckers say it is all her fault and will FORCE HER to bring the fetus to term...

some of you people are very frightening ..

And what about the woman who uses the man with the intention of scoring a free ride for the next 20 years?

Exactly.. you are a chauvinist.. plain and simple

Yes, all women are gold diggers and only screw men so they can at least get alimony

No no no no... You're not getting off that easy. I didn't say that at all. Nice try.

I asked about the woman who deliberately deceives the man in an effort to score a free ride (child support) for the next 20 years.

Come on dude - do you think the majority of people actually think this way?! With any argument - you're going to find these weird ass extreme examples to back up your weak ass point - the selective minority should not be lent any credence in place of the honest majority in an abortion argument, or any for that matter.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Painman

Originally posted by: Frackal
[And so when woman decides to screw a man, and she gets pregnant, and then makes the secondary decision not to have an abortion, she should live with the consequences of her unwillingness to abort; which is to raise a child without the mandated help of the man.

It takes two to tango. Can you say, "consensual"? I knew you could. Any couple who engages in vaginal intercourse without the intention of producing a child, without first agreeing to what, if any, contraceptive measures will be employed, and what to do if pregnancy happens through failure/non-use of said contraception, is engaging in irresponsible behavior. BOTH of you.

Stop trying to rationalize this abdication of personal responsibility, it's quite un-conservative.

It's interesting to watch the condescension expressed here, its indicative of a person being threatened by an argument and lashing out in anger.

You still have failed to provide an actual counter-response to my argument, and unless you wish to do so I have no reason to respond to you further, as I am not particularly interested in providing you with another opportunity to insult people.