Frontline: Last Abortion Clinic

[MicroChrome]

It's a show about the last one in mississippi. Damn, I would sure HATE to live there...

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Anyway it was a pretty good show... And you can see it online vidoe stream @ pbs.org anytime...

This isn't a troll post or a post to flame each other .... It's just to remind everyone to watch the movie I find it interesting how it is playing out in politics. Frontline is one of the last unbiased news sources in america. I wish all news stations had the balls to wake up and tell it like it is....

Instead your getting spoon fed BS. This is turning into the matrix. Maybe we we will all hear every phone in america ring for our wake up call?

 

[The Conspirator]

Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

 

[LtPage1]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

What about the baby's body and its right to privacy much less its right to life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

What about the baby's body and its right to privacy much less its right to life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?

It's a bunch of cells mobbing together in a stew of juices created by and dependant on the mother to survive. It's not an individual life-form, it doesn't even have functioning organs. The heart beat is synthetic, its moving arms and legs are muscle contractions that promote growth. Insects are more intelligent and more functional than a zygote. Even born infants rely solely on instinct and have very little sentience.

Is it sad when there's an abortion? Yes.
Is the mass of cells really a human yet? Not in my opinion.

 

[The Conspirator]

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

 

[The Conspirator]

I'm also curious as to why men can't invoke their right to 'privacy'. If a woman can choose to terminate a baby because its her body, shouldn't a father be allowed to terminate his duties as a father as well? Why does this 'right' only exist for woman?

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I'm also curious as to why men can't invoke their right to 'privacy'. If a woman can choose to terminate a baby because its her body, shouldn't a father be allowed to terminate his duties as a father as well? Why does this 'right' only exist for woman?

When a woman wants to get an abortion I think it's safe to say the man has already terminated most of his duties. I think most of the women would be either single or in a bad relationship, and hence why they want an abortion.

Anyway, the male makes the sperm and that's it. When it meets the egg it breaks down and the sperm is no more. It's a zygote that the mother is controlling, the father's role is over. (At least biologically)

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

What about the baby's body and its right to privacy much less its right to life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?

It's a bunch of cells mobbing together in a stew of cells created by and dependant on the mother to survive. It's not an individivual life-form, it doesn't even have functioning organs. Insects are more intelligent and more functional than a zygote. Even born infants rely solely on instinct and have very little sentience.

It's only a zygote for a short amount of time. After that it is a recognizable form that reacts to stimuli.

I'm not trying to get into a philosophical debate about when life begins. I'm just pointing out that in this situation, where three people are involved, one person has all the power.

So I'll just lay the story out. I had a psycho GF who manipulated her BC to get pregnant. She did this because she knew we weren't going to last. She was with me for the money and she knew that if she got preggo she could get enough in child support from me that she wouldn't have to work. In the end her friends talked her into getting an abortion. *whew*

I firmly believe that the father should have as much right to demand an abortion as the mother. Especially when fraud is involved.

 

[Polish3d]

Though the liberals would never support this, I say:


If a woman is pregnant, the father should have the right to say "If she does not have an abortion, I get to sign off on not having to pay child-support."

 

[The Conspirator]

I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

:thumbsup:

 

[Agnostos Insania]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

It's only a zygote for a short amount of time. After that it is a recognizable form that reacts to stimuli.

True, but it's just simply reflexes, it's not sentience. Like the flower that will close its petals when touched.

I'm not trying to get into a philosophical debate about when life begins. I'm just pointing out that in this situation, where three people are involved, one person has all the power.

Well, one person really only does have the power biologically. I think that's where it comes from.

So I'll just lay the story out. I had a psycho GF who manipulated her BC to get pregnant. She did this because she knew we weren't going to last. She was with me for the money and she knew that if she got preggo she could get enough in child support from me that she wouldn't have to work. In the end her friends talked her into getting an abortion. *whew*

That sucks man, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you either have or will find the woman that completes you. (It's not sarcasm, damn it!)

I firmly believe that the father should have as much right to demand an abortion as the mother. Especially when fraud is involved.

I wouldn't as far as having the power to force an abortion, but there should definitely be ways to get around the responsibilities. Maybe when there are more efficient ways to perform the abortion.
I remember a woman who artifically impregnated herself with her boyfriend's sperm (found in condom) and the husband found out and pressed charges. The court found that it wasn't his responsibility, as he had nothing to do with it.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

What about the baby's body and its right to privacy much less its right to life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?

the "intelligent design" of the wasteful and cruel human reproductive system implies the creator does not place much moral worth in the life of a fetus. lower number i've seen for spontenous/early natural abortion is 40%, high number is 80% of conceptions. so early one doesn't even notice, it just looks like any other period, or maybe a heavier period. religion itself has never been consistently against abortion. all early religious laws considered it morally worthless until atleast ..40 days or whatever.

it should be the choice of the individual. like with guns. pro choice. don't try to ban everyone from having a gun just because you personally are against it. same with abortion. mind ur own frickin business. its that simple.


is this show going to be streamed online?

 

[MicroChrome]

You know it doesn't matter WHAT oppinion you have on this. Even if pro life got it overturned. Like Drugs that are illeagle if you had enough $$ you could still get one.

It will be a sad day for the poor since you will no longer afford to get one if your choose. Your right will have been stripped. That is the sad part. But so be it. I guess this is the world we all want to live... Sigh....

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

What about the baby's body and its right to privacy much less its right to life liberty and the pursuit of hapiness?

the "intelligent design" of the wasteful and cruel human reproductive system implies the creator does not place much moral worth in the life of a fetus. lower number i've seen for spontenous/early natural abortion is 40%, high number is 80% of conceptions. so early one doesn't even notice, it just looks like any other period, or maybe a heavier period. religion itself has never been consistently against abortion. all early religious laws considered it morally worthless until atleast ..40 days or whatever.

it should be the choice of the individual. like with guns. pro choice. don't try to ban everyone from having a gun just because you personally are against it. same with abortion. mind ur own frickin business. its that simple.


is this show going to be streamed online?

LOL.. I was making an argument. You obviously didn't read anything I posted after that did you?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Agnostos Insania

That sucks man, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you either have or will find the woman that completes you. (It's not sarcasm, damn it!)

I firmly believe that the father should have as much right to demand an abortion as the mother. Especially when fraud is involved.

I wouldn't as far as having the power to force an abortion, but there should definitely be ways to get around the responsibilities. Maybe when there are more efficient ways to perform the abortion.
I remember a woman who artifically impregnated herself with her boyfriend's sperm (found in condom) and the husband found out and pressed charges. The court found that it wasn't his responsibility, as he had nothing to do with it.

Thanks... I've found her now. Everything is roses.

There will never be a way to get around the responsibility/trap as everything is about the child once its born. If half that kid's DNA belongs to you, you pay no matter what. This is why I believe that the father should have a "choice" too.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

Where's the line in the Constitution that allows you too Post online?

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
I think men should have the right to an abortion as well, and if that RIGHT is denied, then the woman, if she chooses not to have one, should also not have any right to financial support by the man as well. Again, since when do rights in this country only apply to 1 sex?

Down with feminist superiority of rights movements masquerading as women's liberation movements FTW!

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

Where's the line in the Constitution that allows you too Post online?

"Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech..." :roll:
Freedom of speech. First amendment to the Constitution... Look it up.

[cop]you been drinkin' son?[/cop]

 

[Painman]

Men's right to an abortion? What a bunch of fscking malarkey. You stick your prick in the hole without a raincoat, you take your chances. You know perfectly well what the hole was ultimately designed for, and it ain't the reaffirmation that you're "a man". You make your choices and live with the consequences.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

Where's the line in the Constitution that allows you too Post online?

"Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech..." :roll:
Freedom of speech. First amendment to the Constitution... Look it up.

[cop]you been drinkin' son?[/cop]

Yes, that is true, but Posting Online is not specifically mentioned. It only applies because of past Court definings of what "Speech" is.

Same goes for the Abortion debate. The Constitution does not specifically state anything about it, but the Law relies on Court decisions using the Basic Principles in the Constitution to decide the Legality of Abortion.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

Where's the line in the Constitution that allows you too Post online?

"Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech..." :roll:
Freedom of speech. First amendment to the Constitution... Look it up.

[cop]you been drinkin' son?[/cop]

Yes, that is true, but Posting Online is not specifically mentioned. It only applies because of past Court definings of what "Speech" is.

Same goes for the Abortion debate. The Constitution does not specifically state anything about it, but the Law relies on Court decisions using the Basic Principles in the Constitution to decide the Legality of Abortion.

That's pretty weak

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: The Conspirator

Originally posted by: LtPage1

Originally posted by: The Conspirator
Do men have a right to choose? Why does this mysterious 'right' women have, not apply to men? Besides, the 'right to choose' does not exist..

It's a Constitutional right to privacy, meaning that it's not any of your damn business. It's HER body, NOT yours. And it sure as hell doesn't belong to the government.

Could you quote that passage in the Constitution? Oh, thats right.. it doesn't exist.. its only 'exists' because a liberal supreme court said it did.

Where's the line in the Constitution that allows you too Post online?

"Congress shall pass no law abridging the freedom of speech..." :roll:
Freedom of speech. First amendment to the Constitution... Look it up.

[cop]you been drinkin' son?[/cop]

Yes, that is true, but Posting Online is not specifically mentioned. It only applies because of past Court definings of what "Speech" is.

Same goes for the Abortion debate. The Constitution does not specifically state anything about it, but the Law relies on Court decisions using the Basic Principles in the Constitution to decide the Legality of Abortion.

That's pretty weak

How? Read up on how the Law works.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Have you actually read the Roe v Wade decision? It's quite a bit murkier than extending free press rights to the internet.