Free Speech for all... except KKK

[vi edit]

Bober, the article says that they want to hold a rally. That is a little different than a meeting.

I won't disagree with you as to who's at fault for casting the first stone. But, you have to at least admit that the KKK's main intention is to belittle and express their hate twords blacks.

If history is any indicator, the mob mentality + heated emotions = bad mojo. I think that this move was in both groups favor.

I find it very hard to believe that it is a coincidence that the KK just happened to want to hold a rally at the very same time that a group of blacks were holding a rally to display their disatisfaction of an elected offical.

The KKK did it for one purpose - to stir the sh!t.

We on this board call people trolls and tell them to get the fsck off the board if they have nothing worthwhile to say. The KKK is no different than a troll on this board.

 

[BoberFett]

You're all right, I've seen the light. Let's put a gag order on all Germans in this country. Damn nazis.

 

[Dameon]

Madmacks, technically then if rights are only for "law-abiding" citizens, texas could deny all gay rights demonstrations due to the fact that there are still sodomy laws on the books.

KKK has the right to *speak* their piece. However, They do not have to be granted a place right next to any Nation of Islam / NAACP / Jewish demonstrations. This is not an easy issue people, any many of you see way too eager to stomp out the right for these dillholes to speak. They have just as much of a right to make completes and total asses out of themselves as Diane Feinstein or Louis Farrakhan does with his tripe.

You have no right to deny someone the right to speak based on the ASSUMPTION their protest will become violent. That is a measure that is too easily abused and extended for example... to anti-abortion groups.

Do not sacrifice your freedoms for a sense of security. In the end, you will have neither.

 

[Thorn]

Ethics and Morality are two entirely different things.

Ethically, the Klan has the right to assemble and speak. This is protected under the 1st Amendment. If this right is violated, make no mistake about it, they will sue and win. Unpopular speech or views are not a valid reasons to infringe on these rights. There's not a single Justice on any Supreme Court that would rule otherwise.

Now morally speaking, the KKK is so far into the wrong it's beyond tragic (as is any philosophy based on hate). But there is a way to fix this. If you so strongly despise these types of groups work with youngsters and teens and explain to them the danger of being involved with these people. It's all about communication, not exchanging a moral wrong with an ethical wrong.

 

[saxman]

I'm glad the KKK is still around. In fact, I hope they continue to exist for many years to come.

Why? Because they serve as a reminder of the power of hatred. They keep us wary of our rights as citizens.

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If the KKK could no longer hold public rallies, they would be forced underground. Maybe we would forget them in time. But they would still be around. I say keep them in the open, so that we know what they are doing, so that we can vehemently protest it when they do it.

SaxMan

 

[Moonbeam]

I would suggest that Vi_edit be banned from this board for promulgating the view that the rest of us not have the freedom to suport unpopular views. He is the worst kind of Troll, one who would, if he had the power, silence others.

Common everybody, lobby your favorite Mod and ban the badboy.

 

[BoberFett]

Moonbeam has finally let the shrooms go to his head.

 

[EmperorNero]

can it get more pathetic than this: they have their own little gift shop, awww...how sweet. I just lost more of my non-existant respect for the kkk because of their crappy site.. come on, everybody knows that having 3 frames is going overboard

 

[Thorn]

Moodbeam is a HE?!? All this time I thought he was female. Honest.

 

[luv2chill]

I thought Moonbeam was female also.

l2c

 

[vi edit]

Awww....I made a friend

I have no problem with the KKK spouting off whatever they want, I simply have a problem with them handpicking this particular day to raise a ruckus.

 

[Wah]

<<You're all right, I've seen the light. Let's put a gag order on all Germans in this country. Damn nazis.>>


OK, now this is just dumb.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam only sometimes sounds female because he is in touch with his feminine side.

I guess Thorn's gonna take off the gloves now. Oh Boy, I'm in trouble.

Geez Bober, you should know by now how I just love to 'enlighten' people by applying to them what they recommend for others. We are together on this issue as we were against the great patriot AndrewR and his 'don't burn the flag' ammendment. The idea that people want their freedom and don't want it for others is just amazing. It's that being certain 'I'm right and and so what I do is right' certainty that is frightening. The certain include Hitler and all dictators, religious fenatics ie the Inquisition, etc.

vi_ I can agree there's a debate on timing, glad you agree of freedom of speach. Was just kidding about getting you banned.

Read my signature. (doesn't apply to this post)

 

[BoberFett]

<< OK, now this is just dumb. >>

Is it? It was implied in this thread that affiliation is tantamount to guilt. Some KKK members have committed horrible acts of violence, so apparently anyone affiliated with the KKK shouldn't be given the rights that other American citizens have. By that same token, we could revoke the rights of anybody affiliated with a group that has committed acts of violence. Oops, that would be every citizen in this country. Unless of course you can find me some people who belong only to groups with spotless pasts.

 

[vi edit]

Just an example of what I'm trying to say here -

Does everyone here remember the thread concerning WW's that Denil posted a while back. Do you remember that piece of crap called Death Angel that hopped in there and wished her dead and was happy that she was was ill? Almost anybody with half a heart and that knew WW pretty much wanted to kill this piece of dogsh!t for saying what he did.

Now just imagine that black people that will be at that rally were those of us showing support for WWin that thread, and that the KK was the that piece of crap that hopped in the thread.

That is why I for the KKK's rally for getting moved. You are all for freedom of speach, well I believe that letting the KKK hop into that rally will prohibit the original ralliers from expressing theirs.

 

[Wah]

there is a difference between germans and nazis just like there is a difference between american whites and Klan members... That blanket statement you made (although sarcastic) implies that all germans are associated with nazis. Like I said...dumb.


edit: let me just add that I'm not making a personal attack at you. I'm just saying that the statement is dumb. this is a very sensitive issue, and I know tempers can get out of hand. don't take it the wrong way.

 

[Triumph]

wah: i think he was being sarcastic.

 

[Wah]

i know... i was just pointing out the fact that that is an unfair comparison.

 

[fallenoncrack]

I'm a lover not a fighter.

Peace not war.

Love not hate.

 

[Ulfwald]

As a southerner, I dispise what image the KKK continues to portray. They are usually closed minded white trash. BUT, as much as I DISAGREE with the message of hatred and intollerance, they stil do have a protected right to assemble and rally in a PEACEFUL manner. If I were a cop on the line of this rally, I would just wait until one of them gave me a reason to arrest the whole bunch. then I would stick them in a cell with the biggest meanest perps i could find. I would go under the assumption that if one did it, he was enticed by some one in the group to screw up. and under the guise of Preserving the Peace, I would arrest them all.

 

[Thanatopsis]

Here in Denver, we had a similar situation. The Italians wanted to hold a Columbus day parade (I don't know why the Italians did. Wasn't Columbus Spanish or something?). Anyway, the American Indians were protesting the parade, saying that Columbus was evil and should not be allowed to have a parade in his honor. They negotiated and pulled out a deal that as long as the name &quot;Columbus&quot; was kept out of the parade, the American Indian group would not protest. For a week, the Italians carried on with this. They had gotten a legal parade permit, and the Indian group was trying to deny their right to free speech. They finally realized this and pulled out of the agreement, and had a Columbus day parade. The Indians protested as they said they would, and the Italians marched.

Everything would have been fine - except that the Indians decided to sit down and block the parade. Rightfully, they got arrested. Its not the same level of KKK vs. Blacks, but it is a similar issue. The judge decided that one group cannot block another group's parade because of their beliefs. The Italians were not arrested. The Indians were for physically interfering with the parade.

These are the things that the first Amendment protects. This is why you cannot deny permits to certain groups and accept them for others based only on the beliefs of the groups.


The best thing to do would be to completely ignore the KKK parade. Its not a lot of fun when you are yelling at empty streets with a bunch of police surrounding you. But, cooler heads usually do not prevail in situations such as these.

edit: Links on the event if you care to see about it.
Some Video, Some Audio, and 360 degree photos
Newspaper stories about the event:
Italians walk out of meeting
The City allows the parade

 

[EmperorNero]

<< Anyway, the American Indians were protesting the parade, saying that Columbus was evil and should not be allowed to have a parade in his honor. >>



just giving insight on why the indians despise columbus: columbus came to america looking for riches such as gold. he didn't find any so the next best thing, according to him, were free slaves. he took boat loads of indians and sailed to europe with them. even in their own land, the indians were treated extremely poorly and you can imagine how horrendous the indians slaves were treated in europe. but of course, no one really wants to point out the major flaws of columbus in elementary and some high school text books and hail him as a hero. he was a bastard and I can sympathize with the indians.

 

[Elledan]

Got to agree with EmperorNero.

Also, Columbus' 'discovery' of Americe was the start of the outbreach of pestilences in America who were brought there by the people and their cattle from Europe and Africa (slaves). Those pestilences made nearly as much victims as the Spanish conquerors.

In the matter about the KKK I've to agree with what many people said: the KKK shouldn't be allowed to hold a meeting since they've showed unacceptable deeds of violence (murder). This doesn't mean that every member of the KKK is a criminal, but face it: everyone who joins a group who's ideals are based on hatred against minorities is in some kind of way a criminal.

 

[earthling]

Even thought I hate what the kkk members and other such racists talk about, I think that the judge should have just let those idiot kkk members march. Now the kkk members will be getting more press out of their cancelled march, than if they had actually marched. Would ABC have reported their march on their website?

 

[BA]

&quot;In the matter about the KKK I've to agree with what many people said: the KKK shouldn't be allowed to hold a meeting since they've showed unacceptable deeds of violence (murder).&quot;

Guess it's time for Canada to invade. The US Army will have a hard time defending the nation if they can't hold a meeting. Oh, say goodbye to Congress too..

&quot;everyone who joins a group who's ideals are based on hatred against minorities is in some kind of way a criminal.&quot;

Who are you, the thought police? Joining ANY group is in no way criminal.


Vi-
&quot;We on this board call people trolls and tell them to get the fsck off the board if they have nothing worthwhile to say. The KKK is no different than a troll on this board. &quot;

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