Free Speech for all... except KKK

[ltk007]

Their rights aren't being violated, the law changed. They have no right to bitch and moan about it, they do enough of that about everything else.

 

[BoberFett]

Uh oh, slippery slope.

Right now it's the KKK. Tomorrow it could be [insert group you belong to].

 

[madmacks]

damn it people! when you have a conflict of rights its only obvious that you choose the good of the two. what do you think they plan these meetings for? learning how to make pumpkin pies. i cant believe people are so p.c. nowadays.

viper gts,
i believe you meant to say they deserve a thorough "canning" preferably by fellow jail inmates. then again they might like it.

 

[Triumph]

i can't believe the attitude of you people. most of you think it's ok to take away the free speech rights of someone you don't agree with. you can't go making exceptions like that. you're missing the point of a RIGHT. "Everyone has the RIGHT to free speech.....well except those the majority doesn't agree with." if you people honestly believe that (which is what you are all saying) well then you are just WRONG.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

Ultima200

didnt mean to pick on anyone, i thought schloa posted the go away loser thing and the point i was trying to make, is yes, free speech blah blah, but why the KKK?? why not gay rights, affirmative, etc. why the KKK, its not like they help our economy or mow our yards, what positive outcome have you heard from them? Kill OJ, maybe, Kill minorities, means kill me. If you make me feel uncomfortable cause i was born in location X, screw that, they (whoever it is whether KKK or Bob Barker) have no right. Im not talking consitution rights or Bill of Rights rights, im talking human rights...you know, like reason we are living on this earth???

 

[Wah]

hey schola,

these guys had rights too. I don't give 2 sh!ts about the KKK's rights.

 

[madmacks]

rights are for law-abiding citizens. kkk has a history of being deviants, racists, etc. the government just doesnt take away someones right unless they do something to lose that privelege and the kkk has done enough to earn that loss.

 

[Schola]

yes Wah, and I am sorry that it happened, and those quilty schould have been to put to death also, but that does not mean they still do not have the right to free speach.

Hey bigbootydaddy, I didn't mean anything personall if it came out that way, i was just trying to make the same point that BoberFett pointed out.

Schola

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< rights are for law-abiding citizens. kkk has a history of being deviants, racists, etc. the government just doesnt take away someones right unless they do something to lose that privelege. >>



same things go for criminals, you lose your rights because you did something. Creating discomfort for other citizens sounds like something bad to me. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, they create discomfort for a group...and what did this group do to deserve that??

Answer that. if it sounds good (and reasonable) then let them talk.

edit: sorry, but this thread really struck a nerve.

 

[Schola]

Not all KKK go around killing every person they find, Some just dress up, do the rally thing,

Hell most criminals in jail have it easy anyways.

 

[stonythug]

Wow, I am amazed at the amount of intolerance left in the world. You would think I'm talking about the KKK, but I'm actually talking about the people on this board. Did you see that the American Civil Liberties Union was giving advice to the KKK about what actions to take? Don't you realize that the beliefs and rights of the KKK must be protected vehemently because they are so unpopular not despite it. You think it is the popular opinions that need to be protected by the first amendment? I recently heard a segment on NPR where the interviewed the outgoing head of the ACLU. He was a Jewish man and they asked how he felt about having to defend neo-nazis and their rights so many times in the course of his career. His answer was something to the effect of that they need preserve their rights and the strength of the first amendment for the next time it is needed to defend a Martin Luther King Jr. or a Ghandi. If you think the masses should decide who should be allowed to use their free voice, then is it really free?

 

[Wah]

but that does not mean they still do not have the right to free speach.

I'm not saying that they don't have any rights... I'm saying that I don't give a crap if their rights were violated.

 

[loosbrew]

yes they do have thier rights also. but we should look at the outcome of these types of &quot;societies&quot; they breed nothing but hatred and ignorance. they ar not helping us move away from the evil past that this country has had. they are like a cancer...if you let it sit there and do nothing about it, you will die. they do not have the right to brainwash people and try to make them as angry as possible at inoccent people. that is just wrong. some of you might ask, Well arent they innocent too?&quot; not in my book. anyone who refuses to evolve, and fight so hard to continue a horrible murdurous &quot;society&quot; is as guilty as they come.

just my thoughts

loosbrew

 

[Schola]

Good Point stonythug

schola

 

[madmacks]

lets put it this way, most of us took the SATs

yelling fire is free speach : cant do it in a movie theatre

holding an organized meeting is a right : cant do it if you are cowardly bigots with a long history of hate-crimes

its pretty simple

 

[madmacks]

bigbootydaddy

i was talking about the KKK! sorry if it came out wrong but i was saying that they are the people that have lost their right. im on your side buddy. check out my other posts.

fixed my previous thread for better understanding

 

[luv2chill]

While I unfortunately acknowledge the KKKs right to free speech, I think it's so wrong to hate. I hope and trust that as our world becomes more integrated and educated, groups like the KKK will move further and further towards extinction. I hope people of the future say &quot;can you believe that people used to hate each other because of the color of their skin? How barbaric!&quot;

l2c

 

[SmiZ]

We've seen time and time again that the first amendment doesn't guarantee absolute freedom of speech. There are many supreme court cases where the safety of the general public prevails over the right of an individual's free speech. This is a prime example of insuring the safety of the residents of this town by not allowing the KKK to express their views at said place during said time.

Should the KKK be allowed to express their views whatever they be?
OF COURSE

Should I have to worry about a riot in my city's streets because of it?
NO

That is the difference here, not who can speak their minds and who can't.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

madmacks

hehe chill dood...we all friends here, although the national language thread pissed me off, i was elaborating on your post.

edit: weak example, but itll work...there are clubs that dont let you in unless you are 23. well the law ways drink at 21. why discrimate 21 &amp; 22 year olds??? (im 19 and still get in) they arent breaking the law...why? yes let the kkk talk...let anyone talk. but they do harm to others. dont the others get protection??

 

[madmacks]

exactly my point smiz... when rights are contradicting then one is forced to be lost.

 

[flabbergasted]

I love how everyone talks about the 1st amendment &quot;right.&quot; It is our &quot;right&quot; to freedom of speech. It is our &quot;right&quot; to this or &quot;right&quot; to that. And the Constitution gives us these rights. To hell with consequences, it's our right darnit! But, I think it's a little deeper than that. I think with rights also comes responsibility. In the case of the 1st amendment, freedom of speech, there are Federal laws that seem to go against it. Slander for instance. If I called a business partner a &quot;redneck beloved patriot who swills beer and whiskey all day&quot; in front of potential business clients, and I really believed that and was expressing my &quot;right&quot; to free speech, I could still be sued for slander. And that's right, because what I said was slanderous.
So, it seems to me there is a certain amount of responsibility with all rights. Just like everything, our rights need to be exercised, but we must be prudent in the manner in which we use them. If everyone did this, I don't think we would have a problem. However, that's why we have laws against slander, etc...etc.
As for the KKK, they have a right to scream at the top of their lungs whatever they want, but I have a right at the top of my lungs to scream their wrong. But, I have to honor the idea that what allows me to scream at the top of my lungs that they're wrong, also allows them to scream at the top of their lungs what they want.

My .02

 

[vi edit]

If it had been a different situation I wouldn't have had much of a problem with it. But, we already have a group of people(the blacks) that feel they have been wronged and are their to protest about it. Now, we throw in a group of racists who have no better purpose in life than to stir the sh!t around.

If you ask me, that is just begging for something to start. Emotions will already be high, adding the KKK to that will just make things worse.

I personally see it as a smart move. I'm sure that none of the cops that have to watch over that rally are complaining.

 

[madmacks]

thanks bigbooty! that sounds funny if i said that out loud...

yeah, i dont want to be in the category of those people defending the kkk. so i had to clear my name as quickly as possible.

 

[BoberFett]

<< rights are for law-abiding citizens >>

So all KKK members are criminals? What happened to the justice system? Right toa trial by a jury of your peers? Innocent until proven guilty? Or do you want to ignore those tenets of our system also?


<< There are many supreme court cases where the safety of the general public prevails over the right of an individual's free speech. This is a prime example of insuring the safety of the residents of this town by not allowing the KKK to express their views at said place during said time.

Should the KKK be allowed to express their views whatever they be?
OF COURSE

Should I have to worry about a riot in my city's streets because of it?
NO >>

The KKK aren't rioting, they're holding a meeting. If there's a riot due to this event, isn't it logical to assume that it would be started by those opposing the KKK? That would make them the criminals, not the KKK. To think otherwise is illogical. The KKK aren't forcing people to protest. The protesteors/rioters are doing that of their own accord.

 

[bigbootydaddy]

<< So all KKK members are criminals? What happened to the justice system? Right toa trial by a jury of your peers? Innocent until proven guilty? Or do you want to ignore those tenets of our system also? >>



techinically I guess we are guilty of stereotyping all klan members cause we associate all the lynchings with those kkk members that were convicted. gets complicated from here on.

edit: changed wording so I dont sound like im imposing sarcasm. man, we need voice forums!!

edit 2 (from post below)


<< We on this board call people trolls and tell them to get the fsck off the board if they have nothing worthwhile to say. The KKK is no different than a troll on this board. >>



oooh nice