Engineer
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My point is to the poster of that thread and nothing more and that is not everyone here on this forum makes less than 24k per year. Nothing more or nothing less. Not sure what you're getting at.
To zendari, free market my ass. How about NO BID contracts in which those ice trays were sold at $27 vs the price of $0.89 that they should have been? Free?
Engineer
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You don't seem to be fussing that your bs GOP administration boys passed a big ole Medicare prescription drug bill and, on top of that, kept the estimates falsly low until after passage. What are the GOP doing about that Medicare liability you speak of? They have full control of DC right now, you know?
They don't. Half the GOP is in bed with Hillary and the Democrats.
Considering you liberals are so generous, kind, and make so much more money than I do, maybe you can foot my share of the welfare bill! It should make you happy, you can send the checks directly to the government.
Whoozyerdaddy
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I am hardly a liberal. But if you are going to paint good people with a very broad "loser" brush simply because they happen to be on assistance you should expect a response. Your views on this topic are extremely myopic and mean.
We have a friend who is an accountant from the University of Washington. He has a ton of really liberal friends in Seattle that have him do their taxes every year.
"Try to pull some strings and some tricks so I can get out of paying a lot of taxes".
I guess they love to see these programs that Washington State spends a ton of money on get funded....as long as it's not their money. That's why taxing the rich unfairly is so easy. Most people aren't rich so they don't have a problem with it...couple that with the fact that hollywood has brainwashed people into thinking that rich people are fat, lazy, greedy, and evil...
So most people here are for funding free school meals because they think the children deserve it and really need it. Well I would hope to think that if they really thought that way and we cut the program all together, these same people that advocate it so whole-heartedly would be using their own time and money to give these children meals.
"Try to pull some strings and some tricks so I can get out of paying a lot of taxes".
I guess they love to see these programs that Washington State spends a ton of money on get funded....as long as it's not their money. That's why taxing the rich unfairly is so easy. Most people aren't rich so they don't have a problem with it...couple that with the fact that hollywood has brainwashed people into thinking that rich people are fat, lazy, greedy, and evil...
So most people here are for funding free school meals because they think the children deserve it and really need it. Well I would hope to think that if they really thought that way and we cut the program all together, these same people that advocate it so whole-heartedly would be using their own time and money to give these children meals.
LOL, Zendari...you mean, mean conservative. Let me guess...you hate children don't you?
You're so mean Zendari, how dare you suggest spending cuts, lower taxes, and then babble on about free markets as if they played some sort of significant role in our economy.
Good. Just like you think I am unworthy of welfare, I think these couch potatos drunks aren't worthy of welfare either.
You and I are not so different.
When I came to this country my parents and I were on welfare for around a year. That allowed my parents to take some English courses and get adjusted to the new environment.
Both of them hold post-graduate degrees (from the venerable educational institutions of the former USSR), and now they make most likely far more money than Zendari would like them to make. I went to one of the top schools in the country, and they were (barely at that point) able to pay whatever needed to be paid on top of my scholarship (merit) and loans. Had they not had that year or so to learn the language, they would never have been able to accomplish what they did.
At the end of that period the rules were changed, and people on welfare were no longer allowed to take any kind of courses, or do anything else that's necessary IN ORDER TO GET OFF OF WELFARE. Instead, welfare recepients must do menial city jobs. So under the current (pushed for by republicans) rules, none of what happened would have been possible.
Thank you for reinforcing me dying belief that conservatives are generally more civil and much nicer people.
Agreed. Just as those who whole-heartedly support the war in Iraq should be over there fighting, and dying, for what they believe in. Why aren't you there Blanco?
I am willing to put my money where my mouth is are you?
Edit: In fact, I swear I will donate $1000 to the childrens charity of your choice as soon as I have absolute proof you are fighting in Iraq.
I am going to repost this, so that Zen can't get away from addressing it
When I came to this country my parents and I were on welfare for around a year. That allowed my parents to take some English courses and get adjusted to the new environment.
Both of them hold post-graduate degrees (from the venerable educational institutions of the former USSR), and now they make most likely far more money than Zendari would like them to make. I went to one of the top schools in the country, and they were (barely at that point) able to pay whatever needed to be paid on top of my scholarship (merit) and loans. Had they not had that year or so to learn the language, they would never have been able to accomplish what they did.
At the end of that period the rules were changed, and people on welfare were no longer allowed to take any kind of courses, or do anything else that's necessary IN ORDER TO GET OFF OF WELFARE. Instead, welfare recepients must do menial city jobs. So under the current (pushed for by republicans) rules, none of what happened would have been possible.
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Oh yeah, and I am doing an MD-PhD in Molecular Oncology/Immunology. And yes, I do plan on curing cancer.
Whoozyerdaddy
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Just to let you all know there is no such thing as free lunch someone else is always paying for it.(Your tax money)
Inspiring story and kudos to your family (I'm being serious). However it doesn't explain how families were able to make names for themselves and go to school under similar conditions before welfare was around.
I guess my theory is that if we didn't spend so much money on these programs, there would be more money circulating around in the free markets which would, in turn, create more jobs and room for growth throughout the world. But since these programs came into existence, we rely on them too heavily.
Bowfinger
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That's a meaningless observation unless you can produce objective statistics demonstrating comparable numbers of families in similar circumstances were able to "make names for themselves" both before and after welfare programs were introduced.
The same logic applies to reducing military spending, of course, a topic you continue to avoid since challenged.
I'm also curious as to how exactly you think welfare programs reduce the amount of money circulating in the free markets? Unlike tax cuts for the wealthy, for example, the one thing we know for sure is that money spent on welfare very quickly returns to the economy. Folks on welfare generally are NOT squirreling away their money in investments or off-shore banks. They are spending it, using it to make ends meet, paying for groceries and other living expenses that directly increase sales of consumer goods.
In short, you might argue that welfare funding returns to the economy differently than military funding or tax cuts, but it's not accurate to suggest it is withdrawn from circulation.
It isn't completely withdrawn but it still has to keep going through the government and it still has to pay government workers that could otherwise be employed in the free markets which results in less taxes and better job creation.
The military is a neccessity and there's no excuse for our country not having the best military in the world because I believe we use it better than anyone else.
The military is a neccessity and there's no excuse for our country not having the best military in the world because I believe we use it better than anyone else.
Engineer
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It cost me a whole 20 dollars for my portion of the free lunch program this year and it was well spent. Why don't you write your Reps and Senators and see what they say. You'll be hard pressed to find ANY that would agree with you. You think this poll is skewed one way, try the US Congress or Senate. I highly doubt that you would get one vote your way and you know it! :laugh:
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