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No, that would be Obama you're referring to...you know, the only person in the world that can accomplish what you look for about the past?Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: alchemize
Almost like I summoned you
By being exactly what I described.
You do realize Bush isn't president anymore? Oh that's right, another partisan stuck in the past...
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You show sympathy for the Devil and would shake his hand. Franken tells the truth and you consider it UNCIVIL. Chamberlain reborn, remember that.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Harvey
By being exactly what I described.
No, that would be Obama you're referring to...you know, the only person in the world that can accomplish what you look for about the past?
Which you followed by proving my point:
Remember, what I said about your mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and general incompetents was:
Sheesh!!! You're so freaking short sighted, you can't even rember as far as a few posts back in the same thread. :roll:
Hitler! Nazi's! To say something the inane is beyond the scope of reality. Did you have relatives hauled off to special camps? Were their firing squads? Did a secret police unit come to your house in the middle of the night and rough up you and loved one? Didn't think so. It's the closest the nation has come to a Clinton scandal that's about it. Comparing it to Nazism, diminishes what an evil Nazism was.
Edit: If it makes you feel better you can include Watergate as well.
How old are you? Do you know jack shit about what the nazis did and how they operated, starting with Karl Rove in the role of Hitler's propganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, often credited with the concept of "The big lie:"
Not by the Bushwhackos, but I'm 67, from a Jewish family from Hungary on my mom's side and from Lithuania on my dad's, and I grew up with adults who had numbers tattooed on their arms. What do you think? :shocked:
You didn't think at all! So you're another Bushwhacko sycophant (it means ass kisser) with a conveniently and selectively short memory.
But now that you mention it, YES! This time, the camps were Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and various "dark" sites run by the CIA and other sites run by foreign governments helping them do their dirty work. This time, they used waterboarding and other means of torture, and yes, some of their captives died.
And this time, the "secret police" didn't have to come to anyone's house. All they had to do was shred the rights guaranteed to every American citizen under our once respected, once honored U.S. Constitution by spying on everyone's phone conversations and Internet traffic.
And yes, they committed murder... LOTS of murder. As of July 24, 2009, 4,330 American troops have died, and tens of thousands more are wounded, scarred and disabled for life in the Bushwhackos' illegal war of LIES in Iraq. Each of those deaths constitutes an act of murder.
In case you didn't know it, lying to Congress is a felony even if it is not done under oath. The following list of public lies are the same ones the Bushwhackos fed to Congress to convince them to authorize their war of LIES. It would take just a few minutes to find lots of threads where I've posted them, but in case you're mouse challenged:
- "Iraq is busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents, and they continue to pursue an aggressive nuclear weapons program. These are offensive weapons for the purpose of inflicting death on a massive scale, developed so that Saddam Hussein can hold the threat over the head of any one he chooses. What we must not do in the face of this mortal threat is to give in to wishful thinking or to willful blindness."
Vice President Dick Cheney, 8/29/02
- "Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent - that Saddam is at least 5-7 years away from having nuclear weapons. I would not be so certain. And we should be just as concerned about the immediate threat from biological weapons. Iraq has these weapons."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/18/02
- "No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people and the stability of the world than the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
- "This man poses a much graver threat than anybody could have possibly imagined."
George W. Bush, 9/26/02
- "The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency."
George W. Bush, 10/2/02
- "There's a grave threat in Iraq. There just is."
George W. Bush, 10/2/02
- "There are many dangers in the world, the threat from Iraq stands alone because it gathers the most serious dangers of our age in one place. Iraq could decide on any given day to provide a biological or chemical weapon to a terrorist group or individual terrorists."
George W. Bush, 10/7/02
- "The Iraqi regime is a serious and growing threat to peace."
George W. Bush, 10/16/02
- "There is real threat, in my judgment, a real and dangerous threat to American in Iraq in the form of Saddam Hussein."
George W. Bush, 10/28/02
- "I see a significant threat to the security of the United States in Iraq."
George W. Bush, 11/1/02
- "I would look you in the eye and I would say, go back before September 11 and ask yourself this question: Was the attack that took place on September 11 an imminent threat the month before or two months before or three months before or six months before? When did the attack on September 11 become an imminent threat? Now, transport yourself forward a year, two years or a week or a month...So the question is, when is it such an immediate threat that you must do something?"
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 11/14/02
- "Saddam Hussein is a threat to America."
George W. Bush, 11/3/02
- "The world is also uniting to answer the unique and urgent threat posed by Iraq whose dictator has already used weapons of mass destruction to kill thousands."
George W. Bush, 11/23/02
- "The Iraqi regime is a threat to any American. They not only have weapons of mass destruction, they used weapons of mass destruction...That's why I say Iraq is a threat, a real threat."
George W. Bush, 1/3/03
- "Saddam Hussein possesses chemical and biological weapons. Iraq poses a threat to the security of our people and to the stability of the world that is distinct from any other. It's a danger to its neighbors, to the United States, to the Middle East and to the international peace and stability. It's a danger we cannot ignore. Iraq and North Korea are both repressive dictatorships to be sure and both pose threats. But Iraq is unique. In both word and deed, Iraq has demonstrated that it is seeking the means to strike the United States and our friends and allies with weapons of mass destruction."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/20/03
- "Iraq poses a serious and mounting threat to our country. His regime has the design for a nuclear weapon, was working on several different methods of enriching uranium, and recently was discovered seeking significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 1/29/03
- "Well, of course he is.?
White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett responding to the question ?is Saddam an imminent threat to U.S. interests, either in that part of the world or to Americans right here at home??, 1/26/03
- Iraq poses "terrible threats to the civilized world."
Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
- Iraq "threatens the United States of America."
Dick Cheney, 1/30/03
- Iraq is "a serious threat to our country, to our friends and to our allies."
Dick Cheney, 1/31/03
- "This is about imminent threat."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 2/10/03
- "The dictator of Iraq and his weapons of mass destruction are a threat to the security of free nations."
George W. Bush, 3/16/03
- "The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder."
George W. Bush, 3/19/03
- "It is only a matter of time before the Iraqi regime is destroyed and its threat to the region and the world is ended."
Pentagon spokeswoman Victoria Clarke, 3/22/03
- "The threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction will be removed."
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, 3/25/03
- "We gave our word that the threat from Iraq would be ended."
George W. Bush 4/24/03
- "Absolutely."
White House spokesman Ari Fleischer answering whether Iraq was an "imminent threat," 5/7/03
- "Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to the United States because we removed him, but he was a threat...He was a threat. He's not a threat now."
George W. Bush, 7/2/03
- Iraq was "the most dangerous threat of our time."
White House spokesman Scott McClellan, 7/17/03
- "We ended the threat from Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction."
George W. Bush, 7/17/03
- "There's no question that Iraq was a threat to the people of the United States."
White House spokeswoman Claire Buchan, 8/26/03
- We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda that stretched back through most of the decade of the ?90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaeda organization.
- "Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
George W. Bush, 1/28/2003 State of the Union Address
- "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
George W. Bush, 1/28/2003 State of the Union Address
- "We know he's been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
Dick Cheney, 3/16/2003 on ?Meet the Press?
- We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ?93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ?93. And we?ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven.
Dick Cheney, 9/14/2003 on "Meet The Press"
If that's not enough for you, we can move on to admin quotes about the mysteriously disappearing communications between the Whitehouse and Gonzo the Clown and his lackeys at the Department of Justice and their lies about a host of their other lies, failures and deceptions.
Want more? No problem, but remember, if you do, YOU asked for it.
As of July 24, 2009, 4,330 American troops have died in the Bushwhackos' war of LIES, and tens of thousands more are wounded, scarred and disabled for life.
Lying to promote starting the war in Iraq more directly supports charging them with murder under two theories:
1. Callous, Reckless or Wanton Disregard or Depraved Indifference
Under Federal and most state statutes, one definition of murder is committing an act in callous, reckless or wanton disregard or depraved indifference for the safety of others that, in fact, causes the death of another. One foreseeable consequence of war is death... in fact, many deaths. For example, under New York State Law:
The deaths of every American in Iraq are direct, foreseeable consequences of the Bushwhackos' felonious LIES to Congress. In his published statement, George McGovern said:
All of the American casualties did not occur in one cataclysmic event. They happened over the years we since the adminstration started their illegal war. If you question whether their actions constitute callous, reckless or wanton disregard or depraved indifference for the safety of others, it begs the question of how many times, and over what period, can one consider excusing those ongoing, repeated acts that continue to raise the number of dead and wounded Americans on a daily basis. At what point does it shock the conscience sufficiently to cross the threshold from thousands of cases of mere negligent homicide, another criminal offense, to murder? :shocked:
2. The Felony-Murder Rule
Cliffs:
The Bushwhackos LIED TO CONGRESS to pimp their war, which is a felony even if it not done under oath.
Starting any war is obviously dangerous, and as stated, death is a foreseeable consequence of war.
The deaths of every American in Iraq were direct, foreseeable consequences of the administration's felonious lies to Congress.
George W. Bush and his criminal gang are guilty of MURDER.
If the worst scandal you can imagine is Bill Clinton's blowjobs, I'd say that makes you... ummm... cock eyed. :laugh:
You are the poster child for George Santayana's warning. Overlooking the Bushwhackos' acts of murder, treason, torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity is denying the exact parallels between the crimes committed by Hitler's nazis and the same horrific crimes committed by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal. :thumbsdown: :|
Even worse, it's an open invitation to allow it to happen again.
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Its awful hard to characterize T Boon Pickens as a visionary on wind energy when he already wimped out on what he was pushing two months before Franken ripped into him for his past financing of Swift Boat ads.
And if we want to talk about the bottom of the bottom morally degenerate political advertising in the past two decades, only Sawbee Chambliss's allegations about Max Cleland are even in the running with Swiftboat ads. Unless we want to count the GWB&co selling of the Iraq war, based on the same type lies and ignoring of known facts.
In short, with friends like T Boon Pickens no one needs any enemies, and T. Boon Pickens should be shunned by all rational Americans as a parasite and a serial liar. Why should it take a former comedian to point out the sample truth? If T. Boon Pickens can not walk the moral course and go with God and the truth, he can go to the devil because of his past actions.
And if we want to talk about the bottom of the bottom morally degenerate political advertising in the past two decades, only Sawbee Chambliss's allegations about Max Cleland are even in the running with Swiftboat ads. Unless we want to count the GWB&co selling of the Iraq war, based on the same type lies and ignoring of known facts.
In short, with friends like T Boon Pickens no one needs any enemies, and T. Boon Pickens should be shunned by all rational Americans as a parasite and a serial liar. Why should it take a former comedian to point out the sample truth? If T. Boon Pickens can not walk the moral course and go with God and the truth, he can go to the devil because of his past actions.
-snip-
If the worst scandal you can imagine is Bill Clinton's blowjobs, I'd say that makes you... ummm... cock eyed. :laugh:
Nope, I added Watergate.
You should just post a link to your bullet points just so we save some room here.
Also, Bush is no longer in office and I don't know any crazy, lying, murdering dictators that voluntarily step down from office. If they do it's news to me.
Now run along and go ahead with your charges and keep us posted on things are going.
If the worst scandal you can imagine is Bill Clinton's blowjobs, I'd say that makes you... ummm... cock eyed. :laugh:
Nope, I added Watergate.
You should just post a link to your bullet points just so we save some room here.
Also, Bush is no longer in office and I don't know any crazy, lying, murdering dictators that voluntarily step down from office. If they do it's news to me.
Now run along and go ahead with your charges and keep us posted on things are going.
Allow me to remind you of what you failed to address with your chickenshit "-snip-"...
You said:
I replied:
You asked:
I replied:
You asked:
I replied:
And now, instead of replying to address the ugly truth you aren't prepared to acknowledge, let alone accept, the best you can manage is "-snip-" ??? What a chickenshit little weasel you are. :disgust:
Clue -- Don't try to rewrite history with someone who lived through it.
It's better this way because it gives you a real reminder of the facts that support what I said. Hopefully. You and others with tragically short memories seem to need visual aids.
Proving once again that you need the reminder I posted, earlier:
You are the poster child for George Santayana's warning. Overlooking the Bushwhackos' acts of murder, treason, torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity is denying the exact parallels between the crimes committed by Hitler's nazis and the same horrific crimes committed by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal. :thumbsdown: :|
Even worse, it's an open invitation to allow it to happen again.
You won't need me to remind you. You'll know when your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals are hauled before U.S. and international courts on those charges. That can't happen soon enough to suit me.
Besides, you'll just be in a hurry to deny and forget about them, again. :roll:
Like I said if it happens--Democrat straight down the line by the next presidential electionOriginally posted by: Harvey
Allow me to remind you of what you failed to address with your chickenshit "-snip-"...
You said:
I replied:
I'm old enough to know what went on and have a decent grasp of it. No need to be reminded.
You asked:
I replied:
Sorry to hear that. I had some relatives in the Mediterranean area get hauled off as well. Nothing like eastern Europe though.
You asked:
I replied:
And now, instead of replying to address the ugly truth you aren't prepared to acknowledge, let alone accept, the best you can manage is "-snip-" ??? What a chickenshit little weasel you are. :disgust:
Clue -- Don't try to rewrite history with someone who lived through it.
Well, like I said you can file it in district court and add the Obama administration to it because it seems they haven't changed anything.
It's better this way because it gives you a real reminder of the facts that support what I said. Hopefully. You and others with tragically short memories seem to need visual aids.
I don't have a short memory, I just don't have an irrational hatred for a people I don't know. Even Nancy Pelosi.
Proving once again that you need the reminder I posted, earlier:
You are the poster child for George Santayana's warning. Overlooking the Bushwhackos' acts of murder, treason, torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity is denying the exact parallels between the crimes committed by Hitler's nazis and the same horrific crimes committed by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal. :thumbsdown: :|
It doesn't prove anything Harv. If you are successful in your endeavors and the Bush administration is tried and convicted using your evidence. I will vote straight Democrat in the next presidential election I promise.
Even worse, it's an open invitation to allow it to happen again.
You won't need me to remind you. You'll know when your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals are hauled before U.S. and international courts on those charges. That can't happen soon enough to suit me.
Besides, you'll just be in a hurry to deny and forget about them, again. :roll:
Here I am not holding my breath
And BTW, so we don't go off topic. Franken is a jerk and always will be--it's the equivalent of Glenn Beck in the senate. And no one wants that.
Edit: See bold. And I snipped to save space last time Harv. nothing personal.
TBP would make 10 times the Senator worthless Franken would. And thats saying something because TBP wouldn't make much of a Senator.....
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I guess Franken should have thanked T-Boone for winning him a Senate seat. If T-Boone didn't help defeat Kerry, Bush would not have been president, and many freshman Democrats would not have been voted in on the anti-Bush waves of 2006 and 2008.
Thanks TBP for making GOP a minority party
Thanks TBP for making GOP a minority party
If Franken did this b/c of his stance on smear campaigning and not just b/c of Kerry's defeat, I say props to Franken! And I dont even like Franken, but if this was done with integrity, I can like him a bit more now.
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Originally posted by: Harvey
You are the poster child for George Santayana's warning. Overlooking the Bushwhackos' acts of murder, treason, torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity is denying the exact parallels between the crimes committed by Hitler's nazis and the same horrific crimes committed by your thankfully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal cabal. :thumbsdown: :|
Even worse, it's an open invitation to allow it to happen again.
The open invitation is the expansion of government. Period. You'll find both Democrats and Republicans united in this effort. Last I checked, you were fully supportive of the Dem's half of this puzzle.
Gee, once again Harvey derails a topic with his Bush macros. Can we get a moderator to clean this thread up like they do in other threads where people go blatently off-topic and disrupt the OP's topic?
I wonder if I would be allowed to post a 3 page Obama macro in every thread where Obama isn't even the topic.
I wonder if I would be allowed to post a 3 page Obama macro in every thread where Obama isn't even the topic.
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