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Tom

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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"There are lots of us who despised the French way "

Some of us like the French way.
 

railer

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Apr 15, 2000
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Right Dari...

and Blacks like fried chicken....

and Mexicans are lazy....

care to make any other ignorant generalizations? French intellectuals are no more or less likely to be anti american than intellectuals in any other country, including the US. They're not another species you realize. "They" are just like "us". We're the same thing...do you see?
 

AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Oh, and care to back up your allegations regarding where North Korea receives its missile technology? I am exceptionally curious.
Are you talking to me?
I knew that would happen. No, that was directed at "Carbonyl".
 

AndrewR

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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What precisely do you puppets have against France anyway? You saw on Fox News that France was "bad" and now you hate them? You guys do realize that virtually everyone in the entire world was opposed to the U.S. action in Iraq, and you people are pissed because the French actually stood up to us? Now the US is saying boohoo....
Had to start the reply with that because of the stupid Fox News comment. Did you listen to a pro-French piece on NPR and decide that you liked them?

Here's the issue, since the more self-discovery method didn't work for you: The French, our alleged allies, deliberately worked to cultivate negative reaction to US/UK plans (Brits hate the French more than we do), and then when faced with even the possibility that the US could garner UNSC support, the French threatened a blanket veto to anything that was tabled before the UNSC. These actions followed on the promise of French support back in late 2002 when they were asked by Secretary Powell about a second vote on Iraq when the first resolution (which they supported, BTW) was being discussed.

You seem to believe that the French countered the US out of some glorious Gallic notion of honor and respect for international law. Why don't you remove your head from your nether regions and look for their real motivations, which are not so snowy white as you seem to believe.

BTW, when was the last time you read a French newspaper? I craft my perceptions of the French from there.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: glenn1
I do think our administration needs to publicly set the record straight as to what allegations that have been made in various ways are credible and which aren't, with regards to France,Germany, and Russia. We are partly to blame for the current muddled state of affairs and I believe it is in everyone's interest to have clarity.

And I also disagree with the notion of us having a reason to be mad.. I believe we had the right to disagree and take the action we did but we should respect the right of other nations to disagree and do what is in their own best interest.
There are lots of us who despised the French way before the current situation started heating up. F*ck the whole arrogant, socialist, anti-semitic lot of them.

(please note when i say "the French," i'm talking about their governmental and intellectual class, not the ordinary Jacques Shmoe private citizen frenchman just minding his own business. i'd no more abuse that person than Joe Sixpack here in the U.S. deserves crap for his government's conduct)
I've always despised the French. This latest Iraq stuff only underscored my hatred for the French. They are filthy people both literally and figuratively. They are spineless snobs who have no right to be snobby about anything until they discover the modern miracle of "underarm deodorant".

The pro-Saddam Frog lovers would love to think my distain for the French is recent and a result of some campaign by the guy they claim is so stupid. He can't be that stupid... at least he's not a democrat and still scouring the ground for chads. :p


 

Alistar7

Lifer
May 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: railer
<rolls eyes>

OK lamer, and what
brand new, modern weapons
would these be? Think!
Russian night vision and anti-tank missiles, also russian components for French Missile launchers, French and chineese missiles, WMD protective gear, German GPS jamming equipment, Mirage parts until 3 weeks before the war from France maunfacturers, etc....

that was the stuff found in ONE location. I know about 3rd and 4th party sales and arms dealers, I also know you didn't see any US stuff ending up there, we managed to keep track of the stuff coming from our MANY defense contractors, but the "opposing" nations couldn't? Just a coincidence eh....


 

Dari

Lifer
Oct 25, 2002
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Originally posted by: railer
Right Dari...

and Blacks like fried chicken....

and Mexicans are lazy....

care to make any other ignorant generalizations? French intellectuals are no more or less likely to be anti american than intellectuals in any other country, including the US. They're not another species you realize. "They" are just like "us". We're the same thing...do you see?
Judging from your reply, I doubt that you know french intellectualism and it's history of anti-americanism (a derivative of anti-anglo-saxonism). Read up more then I'll accept your apology.
 

Insane3D

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May 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
France claims to be the victim of a smear campaign

Maybe they shouldn't have bought all that oil outside of the UN sanctions and banked on having Iraq as a business partner?

Cry me a river of those crocodile tears, France.
People in the US are having too much hating France to care if what they read is true or not.
Yep, that pretty much sums it up. I've always wondered why people waste so much time hating other people...seems like a pointless endeavor to me. Oh well.. :)
 

jaeger66

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Jan 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: Insane3D


Yep, that pretty much sums it up. I've always wondered why people waste so much time hating other people
Because it makes them feel better about their own shallow lives.

 

sMiLeYz

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Feb 3, 2003
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I'm not sure if I like the French... but I sure hate anti-intellectual conservative bigots and just the few of them I see on the forums makes me want to puke everytime.
 

sMiLeYz

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Feb 3, 2003
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: railer
Right Dari...

and Blacks like fried chicken....

and Mexicans are lazy....

care to make any other ignorant generalizations? French intellectuals are no more or less likely to be anti american than intellectuals in any other country, including the US. They're not another species you realize. "They" are just like "us". We're the same thing...do you see?
Judging from your reply, I doubt that you know french intellectualism and it's history of anti-americanism (a derivative of anti-anglo-saxonism). Read up more then I'll accept your apology.
You do know it was the mostly the French intellectuals that supported the American Revolution and pushed for , right?

...or that he underlying principles of our country was inspired by a French intellect Descartes?

 

Ilmater

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Jun 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Speaking of polling Red, over 70% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map.
I think 99% of Americans don't give a F*** where Iraq is.
:p
Well, that was intelligent.
What are you doing? Are you trying to be funny? That's ignorant. Everyone SHOULD care where Iraq is. It has an important bearing on how we interact with them and their neighbors. Even their geography is important. It defines who their people are and how they live. It also has a bearing on what kinds of goods are exported from a country. I'm sorry to get personal, but it really ticks me off when somebody tries to justify the ignorance of the American masses.

As for Carbondyl, open your eyes. When was the last time Americans liked the Chinese?! Nobody likes them. The difference is, France was supposed to be our ally. When they decided not to back this war (and, in fact, vehemently oppose it), they put themselves on the list of countries we dislike. You want some facts about France? They specifically sold IIRC 22 fighter jets to Iraq on credit that it had not repaid. I also watched a former Iraqi defector on the history channel speak a couple of months back. He was once at the head of the chemical and nuclear weapons program in Iraq, a fact which is undisputed (whether or not you agree with what he claims). He claims that he was sent, by Iraq, to France to negotiate the sale of a nuclear reactor. While there, he was told to say that it was for "energy purposes." He said that the French company made it clear that they didn't care what it was for as long as he had the money. The day that it was supposed to be loaded onto a ship, there was an explosion that caused extensive damage to the reactor. He said that he's pretty sure the Israelis did that, but he can't prove that.

If you see the tape, you look at the guy and his family and tell me he's lying. His story was very compelling.

Personally, I'm upset that it's now popular to hate the French. I've hated them for years. Now it's almost cliche.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ilmater
Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Originally posted by: Carbonyl
Speaking of polling Red, over 70% of Americans can't find Iraq on a map.
I think 99% of Americans don't give a F*** where Iraq is.
:p
Well, that was intelligent.
What are you doing? Are you trying to be funny? That's ignorant. Everyone SHOULD care where Iraq is. It has an important bearing on how we interact with them and their neighbors. Even their geography is important. It defines who their people are and how they live. It also has a bearing on what kinds of goods are exported from a country. I'm sorry to get personal, but it really ticks me off when somebody tries to justify the ignorance of the American masses.
Nope, still don't care where Iraq is.

Your argument about geography is real ignorance. We are all on planet earth. The lines drawn on maps are just that, lines.

And I wasn't trying to justify anything. We all know how dumb the average person is and it gets really depressing when you realize that 50% of the population is dumber than that average.

 

Ilmater

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Jun 13, 2002
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Originally posted by: Crazyfool
Nope, still don't care where Iraq is.

Your argument about geography is real ignorance. We are all on planet earth. The lines drawn on maps are just that, lines.

And I wasn't trying to justify anything. We all know how dumb the average person is and it gets really depressing when you realize that 50% of the population is dumber than that average.
If I only read the end of your post I'd think you wre agreeing with me. However, at the beginning of your post you seem to promote ignorance and the fact that most Americans don't know their geography as being two qualities that are less than reprehensible. Wake up. Try to pull yourself out of the idealistic haze through which you see the world. Yeah, it's everyone's world and nobody really "owns" land, yadda yadda yadda. Bullsh!t. Regardless of who owns or controls anything, the fact that there are people that rule over lands that are divided by man-made boundaries makes those boundaries significant. The geography itself is significant as well, especially when it comes to understanding wars and things like those same political boundaries. Many times people fight over certain areas of land because of their seaports or their strategic advantages. The Golan Heights, for example, were an area of contestion after the 6-Day War because of their terrain. But that's not important, is it? That's all the way over in Israel and that doesn't affect us.
 

rawoutput

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Jan 23, 2002
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The French guy in the new Matrix movie was pretty awesome, makes me see the French in a better light now.
 

Conky

Lifer
May 9, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ilmater
And now there is silence. Big surprise.
I don't particularly care about Israel either so sue me. Or make a 500 word response telling me how ignorant I am to make yourself get over it.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: AndrewR
What precisely do you puppets have against France anyway? You saw on Fox News that France was "bad" and now you hate them? You guys do realize that virtually everyone in the entire world was opposed to the U.S. action in Iraq, and you people are pissed because the French actually stood up to us? Now the US is saying boohoo....
Had to start the reply with that because of the stupid Fox News comment. Did you listen to a pro-French piece on NPR and decide that you liked them?

Here's the issue, since the more self-discovery method didn't work for you: The French, our alleged allies, deliberately worked to cultivate negative reaction to US/UK plans (Brits hate the French more than we do), and then when faced with even the possibility that the US could garner UNSC support, the French threatened a blanket veto to anything that was tabled before the UNSC. These actions followed on the promise of French support back in late 2002 when they were asked by Secretary Powell about a second vote on Iraq when the first resolution (which they supported, BTW) was being discussed.

You seem to believe that the French countered the US out of some glorious Gallic notion of honor and respect for international law. Why don't you remove your head from your nether regions and look for their real motivations, which are not so snowy white as you seem to believe.

BTW, when was the last time you read a French newspaper? I craft my perceptions of the French from there.
Iraq's cowardly attack on the US was certainly criminal, France's refusal to come to the US's aid at such perilous times is equally cowardly and not the actions of an Ally.
 

mastertech01

Moderator Emeritus<br>Elite Member
Nov 13, 1999
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Iraq's cowardly attack on the US was certainly criminal, France's refusal to come to the US's aid at such perilous times is equally cowardly and not the actions of an Ally.
France is simply doing what is popular now... speak out against the US, and foil any attempts to appear you are WITH the US on any controversial issue. This is simply thier version of the war on terror. If you look anti american you may avoid the fate of terror attacks on your own soil. Look out for your own hide and screw everyone else. After all the US wouldnt terrorize the French would they? So side up with those bold enough to cut your throat if you dont agree with them. Such is the way it was when Hitler reigned and now is the way with the terrorists.
 

Insane3D

Elite Member
May 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Iraq's cowardly attack on the US was certainly criminal, France's refusal to come to the US's aid at such perilous times is equally cowardly and not the actions of an Ally.
France is simply doing what is popular now... speak out against the US, and foil any attempts to appear you are WITH the US on any controversial issue. This is simply thier version of the war on terror. If you look anti american you may avoid the fate of terror attacks on your own soil. Look out for your own hide and screw everyone else. After all the US wouldnt terrorize the French would they? So side up with those bold enough to cut your throat if you dont agree with them. Such is the way it was when Hitler reigned and now is the way with the terrorists.
Just like what most US citizens are doing...hating France because it is popular.
 

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