Fox News Reporting: Secrets of 9/11

[EagleKeeper]

And Loyd Jowers has been dead since 1998. Kinda easy to win a case against a dead man and "unknown co-conspirators".

OUCH!:thumbsdown:

 

[werepossum]

I think the cliffs are sufficient enough unless you are into details. The devil is in the details so they say. Personally the fact that there is a money trail leading to Saudi princes and our government purposefully redacts that information, encourages courts to not hear arguments based on this tells me theres something fishy going on. Why are we not following logic here? IIRC 19 of the hijackers were Saudi? Several Saudi people were confirmed to be in contact with al Qaeda recruits immediately after visiting the Saudi Embassy. To have followed them through their training and whereabouts before 9/11 and absolutely ignore the issue? You be the judge.

Thanks. Frankly I'm not terribly surprised, as there are four or five thousand Saudi princes and princesses. Any time you get a group of that many rich Arab Muslims, some will be supporters of Islamic terror. One of their private jets was a frequent visitor to the training camp that Clinton bombed. As to the cover up, the Bush family have long been tight with the Saudi royal family, and Saudi Arabia is supposedly one of our best allies in the region - although except for granting basing rights and money when we're defending them from a threat, the relationship seems to be pretty darned one-sided. Admittedly, Bush could go to them and get a small production increase to drop oil prices, but they were usually instrumental in driving up the prices in the first place.

 

[airdata]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6xAhydcbQg

June 28 2001 radio broadcast. Radio host questions how easy it was for news anchors to gain access to bin laden when he was wanted by the cia and others. Predicts major 9-11 type of event that will be blamed on bin laden.

It seems that he was later killed as well.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6xAhydcbQg

June 28 2001 radio broadcast. Radio host questions how easy it was for news anchors to gain access to bin laden when he was wanted by the cia and others. Predicts major 9-11 type of event that will be blamed on bin laden.

It seems that he was later killed as well.

You mean this guy?

Gee, why couldn't the CIA just fly into Afghanistan and be escorted right into OBL's waiting arms like Cooper was? Maybe it's because they were looking to kill him, not be a useful idiot and propaganda tool?

 

[Craig234]

What is done in a civil case for proof is less than a crimminal case.

See OJ for instance.

All it takes is a good emotional push to win.

What one claims to be does not constitute proof. It is a theory of a person; not facts.

Government involvment in observing does not mean government involment in the actual deed w/ respect to King.

This post is not an opinion on who killed MLK, it's a correction of your errors.

The proof for a civil case is generally a "preponderance of the evidence", over 50%. It's not an "emotional push". That's not what it takes.

You undermine your own point with OJ; while he fits the issue of not convicted criminally but found liable civilly, he was guilty, which undermines your point.

Your statement about 'it is a theory of a person; not facts' is gobbledygook having nothing to do with the issue; that's not a 'preponderance of the evidence'.

I haven't followed that case closely so don't know what you are referring to 'observing'.

What helps is looking at the evidence; your post doesn't do that.

 

[etrigan420]

This. Fucking. Thread. Delivers. :thumbsup:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Thanks. Frankly I'm not terribly surprised, as there are four or five thousand Saudi princes and princesses. Any time you get a group of that many rich Arab Muslims, some will be supporters of Islamic terror. One of their private jets was a frequent visitor to the training camp that Clinton bombed. As to the cover up, the Bush family have long been tight with the Saudi royal family, and Saudi Arabia is supposedly one of our best allies in the region - although except for granting basing rights and money when we're defending them from a threat, the relationship seems to be pretty darned one-sided. Admittedly, Bush could go to them and get a small production increase to drop oil prices, but they were usually instrumental in driving up the prices in the first place.

Wasn't aware there were that many princes in Saudi Arabia. Interesting.

It seems you would agree there is a conspiracy here. One that deserves an in depth non-biased investigation. However I don't see anyone up in arms about it. Biggest terrorist attack in US history which changed us fundamentally from foreign policy to domestic policy. Homeland Security to NSA, pre-emptive war to unjustified invasions, Patriot act to retroactive immunity, suspension of habeas corpus to Guantanamo bay and then, theres also that thing called torture. An event that makes this many sweeping changes, points to the direct financial involvement from one of our "allies" and we look the other way? The old saying "With friends like these who needs enemies" cannot be emphasized enough.

 

[werepossum]

Wasn't aware there were that many princes in Saudi Arabia. Interesting.

It seems you would agree there is a conspiracy here. One that deserves an in depth non-biased investigation. However I don't see anyone up in arms about it. Biggest terrorist attack in US history which changed us fundamentally from foreign policy to domestic policy. Homeland Security to NSA, pre-emptive war to unjustified invasions, Patriot act to retroactive immunity, suspension of habeas corpus to Guantanamo bay and then, theres also that thing called torture. An event that makes this many sweeping changes, points to the direct financial involvement from one of our "allies" and we look the other way? The old saying "With friends like these who needs enemies" cannot be emphasized enough.

According to wiki, there are over 7,000 Saudi princes and princesses at the moment, most busy intermarrying and creating more little princes and princesses. There are a couple hundred in the line of succession, and perhaps a dozen to a score that can really be considered as part of the Saudi government at a policy-making level. As to a conspiracy, I don't think it's so much a conspiracy as it is business as usual. We consider those princes funding such people more as part of al Qaeda than as part of Saudi Arabia.

As far as friends go, I think everyone knows that the House of Saud is our friend for exactly as long as it serves their own purposes. They are advocates of salafi; Islam must rule everyone, and they pursue this to one degree or another. (Or at least to the extent that it does not affect their own material comfort.) That's not necessarily such a bad thing; every nation's allegiances are bound by its own perceived interests, and every nation should be loyal first to its own people.

 

[al981]

They won a verdict in a civil trial against a guy named Loyd Jowers and "unknown co-conspirators". It doesn't surprise me a bit that a truther would try to inflate this into "victorious against the us government for conspiracy". You conspiracy idiots really boggle the mind.

The Truth About Memphis

Ah, typical national media whitewash. Of course, the author doesn't mention any of the numerous facts of the trial that absolutely destroyed the government's lies. The author lies, distorts, and draws his own conclusions from tainted government documents to perpetuate the official lie. To shorten this cover-up discussion and make you look like an even bigger idiot, let's show a little bit of good ole' fashion science, shall we? yeehaw!

Judge: Bullets Don't Match MLK Slug
http://articles.cnn.com/1997-07-11/us/9707_11_king.rifle.update_1_test-bullets-james-earl-ray-rifle-judge-joseph-brown?_s=PM:US

sound familiar? just as my sig states, the government always loses the scientific foresic battle. 😀😀😀😀😀😀

"OUCH!!!" :thumbsup:

edit: they couldn't match the slug and rifle back in 1968, and they couldn't match them again decades later. not a single shred of evidence linking ray to the rifle. fail, liars!

 

[al981]

And Loyd Jowers has been dead since 1998. Kinda easy to win a case against a dead man and "unknown co-conspirators".

OUCH!:thumbsdown:

LoL what? you two liars can't even get the simplest facts straight. jowers died in 2000, after the trial, and was claiming he was the shooter to dexter king, MLK's son. LoL @ you fail liars.

OUCH! :thumbsup: 😀😀😀😀😀

 

[al981]

This post is not an opinion on who killed MLK, it's a correction of your errors.

The proof for a civil case is generally a "preponderance of the evidence", over 50%. It's not an "emotional push". That's not what it takes.

You undermine your own point with OJ; while he fits the issue of not convicted criminally but found liable civilly, he was guilty, which undermines your point.

Your statement about 'it is a theory of a person; not facts' is gobbledygook having nothing to do with the issue; that's not a 'preponderance of the evidence'.

I haven't followed that case closely so don't know what you are referring to 'observing'.

What helps is looking at the evidence; your post doesn't do that.

don't expect a response from common courtesy.

there's no proof or evidence ray was the shooter anyhow. basic science and ballistics ftw.

http://articles.cnn.com/1997-07-11/...es-earl-ray-rifle-judge-joseph-brown?_s=PM:US

 

[Zebo]

According to wiki, there are over 7,000 Saudi princes and princesses at the moment, most busy intermarrying and creating more little princes and princesses. There are a couple hundred in the line of succession, and perhaps a dozen to a score that can really be considered as part of the Saudi government at a policy-making level. As to a conspiracy, I don't think it's so much a conspiracy as it is business as usual. We consider those princes funding such people more as part of al Qaeda than as part of Saudi Arabia.

As far as friends go, I think everyone knows that the House of Saud is our friend for exactly as long as it serves their own purposes. They are advocates of salafi; Islam must rule everyone, and they pursue this to one degree or another. (Or at least to the extent that it does not affect their own material comfort.) That's not necessarily such a bad thing; every nation's allegiances are bound by its own perceived interests, and every nation should be loyal first to its own people.

You have all stripes in Royal Family. Some party like rock stars in Monaco banging two at time, some are fundis. Same goes for all Muslims, it's the "tiny minority of extremists" you gotta worry about and they are the ones funding and executing what you describe. King Faisal, a modernizer, was killed by his own fundi nephew for example.

On balance we get a good deal with Al Saud. They buy our stuff and services and we get oil, on demand, and they cheat when we ask. For that we protect them from much more powerful forces around them.

They have been modernizing tremendously since we have been friends, causing great conflict with the other major power broker, Mutawwa'în, who would take over if Al Saud were deposed. If they left it would be 100x worse. More fundamentalist, more cost for oil, no lucrative trade. That's why our support is so unwavering.

BTW there is actually about 25,000 royals wiki is wrong.

 

[werepossum]

You have all stripes in Royal Family. Some party like rock stars in Monaco banging two at time, some are fundis. Same goes for all Muslims, it's the "tiny minority of extremists" you gotta worry about and they are the ones funding and executing what you describe. King Faisal, a modernizer, was killed by his own fundi nephew for example.

On balance we get a good deal with Al Saud. They buy our stuff and services and we get oil, on demand, and they cheat when we ask. For that we protect them from much more powerful forces around them.

They have been modernizing tremendously since we have been friends, causing great conflict with the other major power broker, Mutawwa'în, who would take over if Al Saud were deposed. If they left it would be 100x worse. More fundamentalist, more cost for oil, no lucrative trade. That's why our support is so unwavering.

BTW there is actually about 25,000 royals wiki is wrong.

Good points.

 

[airdata]

don't expect a response from common courtesy.

there's no proof or evidence ray was the shooter anyhow. basic science and ballistics ftw.

http://articles.cnn.com/1997-07-11/...es-earl-ray-rifle-judge-joseph-brown?_s=PM:US

It was much easier to sell a lie when people didn't have access to information.

Nowadays you have to make things extremely complex.

 

[NoStateofMind]

According to wiki, there are over 7,000 Saudi princes and princesses at the moment, most busy intermarrying and creating more little princes and princesses. There are a couple hundred in the line of succession, and perhaps a dozen to a score that can really be considered as part of the Saudi government at a policy-making level. As to a conspiracy, I don't think it's so much a conspiracy as it is business as usual. We consider those princes funding such people more as part of al Qaeda than as part of Saudi Arabia.

As far as friends go, I think everyone knows that the House of Saud is our friend for exactly as long as it serves their own purposes. They are advocates of salafi; Islam must rule everyone, and they pursue this to one degree or another. (Or at least to the extent that it does not affect their own material comfort.) That's not necessarily such a bad thing; every nation's allegiances are bound by its own perceived interests, and every nation should be loyal first to its own people.

You have all stripes in Royal Family. Some party like rock stars in Monaco banging two at time, some are fundis. Same goes for all Muslims, it's the "tiny minority of extremists" you gotta worry about and they are the ones funding and executing what you describe. King Faisal, a modernizer, was killed by his own fundi nephew for example.

On balance we get a good deal with Al Saud. They buy our stuff and services and we get oil, on demand, and they cheat when we ask. For that we protect them from much more powerful forces around them.

They have been modernizing tremendously since we have been friends, causing great conflict with the other major power broker, Mutawwa'în, who would take over if Al Saud were deposed. If they left it would be 100x worse. More fundamentalist, more cost for oil, no lucrative trade. That's why our support is so unwavering.

BTW there is actually about 25,000 royals wiki is wrong.

Without rehashing what I've already stated, the feeling I get from you guys is " ho hum its the price we pay for cheap oil". Am I correct?

 

[werepossum]

Without rehashing what I've already stated, the feeling I get from you guys is " ho hum its the price we pay for cheap oil". Am I correct?

I think the point is more that the Saudi Royal Family is not a homogeneous polity; the ruling parts of it are reasonably good allies, as bounded by their own interests. The other parts are already being investigated, as part of al Qaeda.

Think of George Galloway, of the British House of Commons. He certainly gave aid and comfort to Saddam Hussein, helping him to circumvent UN restrictions to buy things he was not allowed to buy. This was common knowledge, yet we weren't investigating the British government, even though technically he was part of it.

 

[Matt1970]

LoL what? you two liars can't even get the simplest facts straight. jowers died in 2000, after the trial, and was claiming he was the shooter to dexter king, MLK's son. LoL @ you fail liars.

OUCH! :thumbsup: 😀😀😀😀😀

Ok, he died 11 years ago, not 13. Blame the NY Times for that one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/23/u...claimed-a-role-in-the-killing-of-dr-king.html

You are not worth talking to fool. You continue to dodge my question.

Where is even one person from the thousand+ involved in the 9/11 conspiracy you believe in?

 

[al981]

Ok, he died 11 years ago, not 13. Blame the NY Times for that one.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/23/u...claimed-a-role-in-the-killing-of-dr-king.html

You are not worth talking to fool. You continue to dodge my question.

Where is even one person from the thousand+ involved in the 9/11 conspiracy you believe in?

article still says 2000. LOL at you failing again! already answered your question, multiple times. click back and read my previous posts. also, continue dodging the ballistics link clearing ray. 😀😀😀😀😀

 

[airdata]

Interesting find :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwrYveeF1Y

Posting disclaimer : I am simply reposting because I find it interesting. I have not posted any kind of conspiracy theories I personally believe in or endorse. If you intend to quote post this or any other of my posts, please read my entire post and make sure you comprehend all words and context before replying.

 

[Cogman]

Interesting find :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwrYveeF1Y

Posting disclaimer : I am simply reposting because I find it interesting. I have not posted any kind of conspiracy theories I personally believe in or endorse. If you intend to quote post this or any other of my posts, please read my entire post and make sure you comprehend all words and context before replying.

Then why post it? You're saying "I don't really believe this, I just find it interesting". And, soooo, what sort of response are you expecting? People are going to come in and debunk the ideas put forth by the video and image you posted and you'll get upset "but but but, I don't actually believe this, you're taking my posts out of context!".

Quit trolling.

 

[airdata]

cogman : I put the disclaimer because in threads like these, there are alot of people who quote post and then post replies as if they didn't even read the post.

Just throwing a little disclaimer out there to try to calm down the whole you're an idiot, no you're an idiot type of posts. You may be surprised how many people quote post without reading any other posts in a thread, or even quote post and make things up.

 

[Matt1970]

Just go away. You rely on half baked theories but fail to grasp the simple concept of how many people would have had to be involved to pull off faking 9/11 and the fact that not a single one of them has come forward or one single recruitment document or email has ever been found.

 

[airdata]

Just go away. You rely on half baked theories but fail to grasp the simple concept of how many people would have had to be involved to pull off faking 9/11 and the fact that not a single one of them has come forward or one single recruitment document or email has ever been found.

Thanks for proving my point about people not reading posts when replying.

At no time have I declared belief in any stated conspiracy, or anything.

I simply find interest in historical anomalies. If this was the 1950's and we had no access to information, it would be all good and well to ask no questions and just move along.

JFK for example, I'm sure in that time people didn't over react to the magic bullet being found completely intact on a stretcher in the hospital. People today are smart enough to second guess such improbable bs.

 

[airdata]

Interesting find :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bwrYveeF1Y

http://transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/documents/02-06.pdf


Posting disclaimer : I am simply reposting because I find it interesting. I have not posted any kind of conspiracy theories I personally believe in or endorse. If you intend to quote post this or any other of my posts, please read my entire post and make sure you comprehend all words and context before replying.

http://transweb.sjsu.edu/mtiportal/research/publications/documents/02-06.pdf

Here is the full PDF document from which the excerpt is taken. It's from page 28/78 or page 20 of the page numbering within the document.

Strange that there were guys driving around in a truck w\ a mural depicting the events of 9-11 on it. I'm going to file this one next to the israeli guys they detained who were witnessed video taping and celebrating the events of 9-11.

 

[Matt1970]

Thanks for proving my point about people not reading posts when replying.

At no time have I declared belief in any stated conspiracy, or anything.

I simply find interest in historical anomalies. If this was the 1950's and we had no access to information, it would be all good and well to ask no questions and just move along.

JFK for example, I'm sure in that time people didn't over react to the magic bullet being found completely intact on a stretcher in the hospital. People today are smart enough to second guess such improbable bs.

You can't have it both ways. If you don't believe it, then don't post it.