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spacejamz
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Who knew that Massachusetts had the same number of people who couldn't get coverage because of pre-existing conditions as the entire country??? or had the same number of people who lost coverage because their plans didn't meet the new requirements so they had had to get new coverage....
Uhm, that's assuming the origin on that graph is zero. The graph is unmarked, so a person versed in mathematics would assume the origin is set above zero, not that the creator of the graph is stupid.
This was my first thought. Not that I don't think the graph is intentionally misleading, just that it isn't incorrect.
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The issue here is Fox News has numerous of these "incorrect" representations that are not "intentionally misleading" that always fit their agenda.
"Mistakes" are always in favor of the GOP.
fleshconsumed
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You don't get it. That's not a republican, that's a RINO. And RINO is really just one step away from democrat, so we just might as well label this guy a democrat and call it a day. /S
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Not the false equivalence play again!?!
Anyone can make a mistake but when its 10-1 you have to question intent.
Want to make a bet Fox will not issue a correction for this graph since it was an "accident".
Yeah, remember when Rush said the unemployment numbers were cooked for the election. The Obama administration is always playing with the numbers.
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Remember when the poll numbers were "cooked" before 2012 election? Fox said Dems were over-sampled and GOP was under-sampled.
Virtually all the Fox pundits were bitching about fake numbers and were shocked when results came in as advertised
This kind of false propaganda is SOP for Fox.
Virtually all the Fox pundits were bitching about fake numbers and were shocked when results came in as advertised
This kind of false propaganda is SOP for Fox.
justoh
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Fox is about making money and influencing a certain type of people, all the time. "Numerous cases" is logically correct, but this characterization is potentially misleading.
Some other outlets do it.
No other outlet has the viewership of Fox News. Thus, no other outlet is as damaging to American society.
Again, this isn't an incorrect representation. It is simply accurate information presented in the most favorable way, in the case of Fox news, misleading their viewership into believe the ACA is incredibly far behind their deadline.
This isn't a mistake, or wrong. It is simply Fox News selling their product (slanted stories) to the public.
If you really believe only Fox News, or the GOP, or conservatives are the only ones that do this, you're incredibly mistaken.
dank69
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Doc Savage Fan
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How has Fox News damaged American society...by spinning and opposing everything liberals stand for? Is this really any different than liberal media spinning and opposing everything conservatives stand for? In your mind, one is deemed more wrong because it's less fragmented than the other? Is this now the "rational" basis for discerning what is right vs. what is wrong? It's as if all this is some kind of shit smelling contest where the self-perceived winner with the sweetest smelling shit (who freely twists the "rules" and "judges" accordingly) somehow feels justified in flinging the nastiest poo at the other in self-righteous glory. These folks constantly delude themselves into thinking they are the winners in this neverending "contest" and will never admit defeat...yet they don't understand what winning truly means and likely never will. God help us bear the stench.
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So, is it just me, or are the actual numbers printed there in huge font? Call me crazy, but I can compare 6 and 7.066 million in my head without needing a sort-of bar graph to tell me what the difference is.
Fern
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No, it's not just you.
And this is a dumb thread. Graphs are often presented that way.
Fern
UberNeuman
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C'mon...
I was willing to give Fox the benefit of the doubt on this being a mistake. But, then I thought, How would one even make that kind of mistake? This is as easy as a minute chart in Excel... You have to try to make this kind of "mistake".
Bowfinger
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You know better. Sure, one often suppresses the full scale when comparing a series of data points to show changes over time or similar trending comparisons. This is a graph comparing only two data points. The only reasons one would make this graph that way are willful deception and gross incompetence. Even Fox has now admitted it was wrong.
Bowfinger
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CNN was wrong too. Two wrongs don't make a right. I do find it interesting that you went back nine years for that example, however.
:|
So, you are basically agreeing that Fox News attempted to be misleading. And your argument is that others do it so, there is nothing to see?
What's even more hilarious is that you or whatever site that you follow went back to 2005 to find a graph that somehow attempts to defend the Fox graph? :whiste:
Edit: By the way, let's not lose the context in the CNN graph. CNN was trying to show and highlight the difference in opinion between the three party affiliations. I don't even see any pro one party advocacy in that graph. Seems more like someone made a stupid decision to show it that way. I don't agree with it. But, I don't see how that compares to the ACA advocacy on Fox's part. Fox's graph tried to make it seem like the gap to reach the targeted goal was extreme. And given that the Administration met the target makes the graph even look more silly.
So, you are basically agreeing that Fox News attempted to be misleading. And your argument is that others do it so, there is nothing to see?
What's even more hilarious is that you or whatever site that you follow went back to 2005 to find a graph that somehow attempts to defend the Fox graph? :whiste:
Edit: By the way, let's not lose the context in the CNN graph. CNN was trying to show and highlight the difference in opinion between the three party affiliations. I don't even see any pro one party advocacy in that graph. Seems more like someone made a stupid decision to show it that way. I don't agree with it. But, I don't see how that compares to the ACA advocacy on Fox's part. Fox's graph tried to make it seem like the gap to reach the targeted goal was extreme. And given that the Administration met the target makes the graph even look more silly.
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UberNeuman
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One: It's a blog.
Two: About Terri Schiavo.
Three: Guess what party was fighting to keep her in an un-dead condition when it was quite clear the poor lady was brain dead..... Take a guess!
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sportage
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I had to laugh at the melt down on Fox Tuesday nights Hannity.
I just had to laugh.
Flipping up Fox-fixed charts and statics one after another.
Replaying video going back two years pretending to make some Foxed up point.
THEN... "The usual suspects" rounded up and mugged faced on Fox i.e. Marco Rubio.
But the shocker?
Hannity now wants NATIONAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.
I mean, all Hannity could focus on was stating over and over that there are still 31 million uninsured.
So, the only way to address that would be UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.
Where every citizen is handed a card at birth, a healthcare card, paid by every consumer and every US citizen thru sales tax and income tax.
There, you would have that additional 31 million covered.
But lets face it....
If it were proven most of the new sign-ups were younger never before insured folks.
And if it were proven every one of the new sign-ups had also paid for their first premium.
And... if the website had never experienced one single glitch, ever.
WOULD THAT MATTER ????
Does anyone think one single republican on TV would give any credit for the success and or the need for ACA reform?
Anyone? Anyone?
So what this breaks down to is that obviously and clearly republicans are so mean spirited, so evil, that republicans would think NOTHING about taking away, repealing, blocking health insurance availability to the masses SIMPLY and ONLY fir their chance to grasp at some political point grabbing.
They care NOTHING about YOU.
They want a "win" another notch on their political bed post.
But Fox News?
You just got to roll your eyes and wonder WTF ???
I just had to laugh.
Flipping up Fox-fixed charts and statics one after another.
Replaying video going back two years pretending to make some Foxed up point.
THEN... "The usual suspects" rounded up and mugged faced on Fox i.e. Marco Rubio.
But the shocker?
Hannity now wants NATIONAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.
I mean, all Hannity could focus on was stating over and over that there are still 31 million uninsured.
So, the only way to address that would be UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE.
Where every citizen is handed a card at birth, a healthcare card, paid by every consumer and every US citizen thru sales tax and income tax.
There, you would have that additional 31 million covered.
But lets face it....
If it were proven most of the new sign-ups were younger never before insured folks.
And if it were proven every one of the new sign-ups had also paid for their first premium.
And... if the website had never experienced one single glitch, ever.
WOULD THAT MATTER ????
Does anyone think one single republican on TV would give any credit for the success and or the need for ACA reform?
Anyone? Anyone?
So what this breaks down to is that obviously and clearly republicans are so mean spirited, so evil, that republicans would think NOTHING about taking away, repealing, blocking health insurance availability to the masses SIMPLY and ONLY fir their chance to grasp at some political point grabbing.
They care NOTHING about YOU.
They want a "win" another notch on their political bed post.
But Fox News?
You just got to roll your eyes and wonder WTF ???
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