Fox News basic math via their graphics

[Doc Savage Fan]

The Fox News graph is obviously a lame attempt to spin the data in a negative way. But on the flip side it's a shame we don't have data on how many have actually paid their premiums. Personally I'm not getting warm fuzzies that this administration will openly share information which may reflect negatively on ACA if they can get away with it.

 

[dank69]

The Fox News graph is obviously a lame attempt to spin the data in a negative way. But on the flip side it's a shame we don't have data on how many have actually paid their premiums. Personally I'm not getting warm fuzzies that this administration will openly share information which may reflect negatively on ACA if they can get away with it.

Does the government even have access to that type of info this early in the process? Pretty sure they do not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Does the government even have access to that type of info this early in the process? Pretty sure they do not.

I imagine you're right. I believe the backend is still all screwed up and they have no clue what's going on in this area.

 

[Matt1970]

Thread is not about Obamacare. This is about pointing out the misleading graphics on FoxNews.

So Sportage pastes a wall of text about Obamacare, I post two sentences and you lecture me on staying on topic. Nice.

 

[dank69]

I imagine you're right. I believe the backend is still all screwed up and they have no clue what's going on in this area.

What you call "screwed up", I call normal procedure. The insurance companies only need to report payment status come tax time next year. IIRC, GOP even cried about this "government intrusion into our medical history." Fucking retarded.

 

[HomerJS]

The Fox News graph is obviously a lame attempt to spin the data in a negative way. But on the flip side it's a shame we don't have data on how many have actually paid their premiums. Personally I'm not getting warm fuzzies that this administration will openly share information which may reflect negatively on ACA if they can get away with it.

From what I remember the last time signing up for insurance in open market 1st bill not due at signup so those numbers are currently meaningless. Fox demanding these numbers now is just more of their attempt to create negativity.

Maybe they can stick to the facts? Is that possible for them?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Maybe they can stick to the facts? Is that possible for them?

What facts? The Government/Insurers should release the facts so we could really know where we're at instead of all sides trying to spin what they think is going on.

 

[dank69]

What facts? The Government/Insurers should release the facts so we could really know where we're at instead of all sides trying to spin what they think is going on.

The fact that the data isn't, and shouldn't be, available at this time.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

This is a shock to anyone that Faux news lies all the time?

Here are plenty of examples where Fox "accidentally" messed up a chart.

link

A real classic here:

totally an accident that somehow 8.6% is somehow shown as a higher percentage then 8.8%.

So why do does anyone here actually believe Fox News again?

And of course there are all of the accidental changes of party affiliation...ever notice a lot of republicans that get in trouble "accidentally" are shown as democrats?

Link

10sec on Google will find tons of images of wrong graphs and pics, just in case anyone is interested....not like these are hard to find.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The fact that the data isn't, and shouldn't be, available at this time.

Why shouldn't it be available at this time? The insurers don't know how many policies they've issued at this point?

 

[CLite]

that is simply amazing.

 

[dank69]

Why shouldn't it be available at this time? The insurers don't know how many policies they've issued at this point?

You aren't asking for how many policies have been issued, you're asking for how many have been paid. Hell, there has got to at least be a 30-day billing cycle to start with.

 

[spacejamz]

You aren't asking for how many policies have been issued, you're asking for how many have been paid. Hell, there has got to at least be a 30-day billing cycle to start with.

Weren't 2M policies created by January? My basic math skills tell me that is more than 30 days ago...you would think these companies would know how many have paid their first premium by now....

 

[dank69]

Weren't 2M policies created by January? My basic math skills tell me that is more than 30 days ago...you would think these companies would know how many have paid their first premium by now....

Why don't you propose some legislation forcing all private companies to disclose payment history for all customers to the government?

 

[HomerJS]

Weren't 2M policies created by January? My basic math skills tell me that is more than 30 days ago...you would think these companies would know how many have paid their first premium by now....

That still doesn't give you an accurate total until at least 30 days have elapsed since last policy went into effect.

I think the last policies will go into effect by mid April so by the end of May-June these numbers should be available.

Or would you rather have incomplete numbers so Fox News can start another fake bitch fest?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Weren't 2M policies created by January? My basic math skills tell me that is more than 30 days ago...you would think these companies would know how many have paid their first premium by now....

I heard that the insurance companies are going crazy as they're having to manually process the premium statements since the backend still isn't working as intended.

 

[dank69]

I heard that the insurance companies are going crazy as they're having to manually process the premium statements since the backend still isn't working as intended.

I heard God kills a kitten every time someone signs up for the ACA.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I heard God kills a kitten every time someone signs up for the ACA.

Then it must be a lie and all is well. Thanks for your assurances.

Edit for our resident hack:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal...s-another-major-piece-missing-from-obamacare/

This “back-end mechanism” has been missing for the entirety of open enrollment period, which launched Oct.1, meaning insurance companies have had to manually bill the government for subsidies and cost-sharing plans, a procedure that’s being dubbed an administrative nightmare.

An insurance industry source close to the matter says insurance companies have been participating in a manual workaround over the last five months, which has been “an incredibly labor intensive process.”

 

[Pens1566]

Nice to see the goalposts moving to the "yeah, but have they paid yet" argument.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Nice to see the goalposts moving to the "yeah, but have they paid yet" argument.

In fairness they have also been using the "The numbers are cooked" argument. It's like anything else positive related to the Obama admin. The numbers are fully believable when they are a negative and completely fake if it's good news for the country.

 

[dank69]

Then it must be a lie and all is well. Thanks for your assurances.

Edit for our resident hack:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal...s-another-major-piece-missing-from-obamacare/

Well you certainly proved your point sourcing Foxbusiness which in turn only has a single named source, a blogger. Air-tight.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Nice to see the goalposts moving to the "yeah, but have they paid yet" argument.

Many people hate what ACA has done to our healthcare system and will emphasize the negatives at every opportunity. In contrast, significantly fewer people love what ACA has done to our healthcare system and will deemphasize the negatives at every opportunity. I find it humorous that one side would complain about the other side moving the goalposts when their side is just as guilty, if not more so.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You aren't asking for how many policies have been issued, you're asking for how many have been paid. Hell, there has got to at least be a 30-day billing cycle to start with.

I didn't ask how many had been paid, I asked how many had been issued and billed.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Well you certainly proved your point sourcing Foxbusiness which in turn only has a single named source, a blogger. Air-tight.

So they're lying as well...and the backend is fine and the insurance companies are not having severe administrative issues? Is that what you're really saying when you chose to attack the source rather than the information presented?

 

[Matt1970]

Many people hate what ACA has done to our healthcare system and will emphasize the negatives at every opportunity. In contrast, significantly fewer people love what ACA has done to our healthcare system and will deemphasize the negatives at every opportunity. I find it humorous that one side would complain about the other side moving the goalposts when their side is just as guilty, if not more so.