Found a book from 1719

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OOBradm

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Tuktuk
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Mega Update:
I wrote about this book on a blog. I was contacted by a professor from Yale who is about to publish a major essay on the topic of the book (Abraham ben Abraham). He emailed me with his phone number. I called him and we will be meeting sometime next week. He told me that it's very similiar to another one from 1862, but there are small and obvious differences. He wants an hour with the book to mark down the differences between this one and the other known texts. This could be interesting!

When you meet him, pour gasoline on the book and light in on fire. The do a pagan witch dance around the burning book and shoot your pistols in the air.
No.

LOL shot down
 

BillyBatson

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that's awesome, so when was it written if the date is supposed to be when the events took place? the prof coming to see it he isnot interested in purchasing it? does he know how much it is worth or where you might be able to sell it? what about donating it to a school, museum, or a jewish temple or whatever?
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: BillyBatson
that's awesome, so when was it written if the date is supposed to be when the events took place? the prof coming to see it he isnot interested in purchasing it? does he know how much it is worth or where you might be able to sell it? what about donating it to a school, museum, or a jewish temple or whatever?

Yeah, the date is when the story took place - if it did.
He did not mention purchasing it, he wants to mark down the differences between this one and the other known manuscripts, he's publishing something on the story.
He might know how much it's worth, I have no idea.
This is not being donated, I'm gonna hang on to it for now. :)
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
He wants to compare your book with his? Hmm, The Ninth Gate anyone?
Someone else said that. What happened in the movie, I've never seenit.
 

Turin39789

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Abraham ben Abraham Wiki
Yeah, I linked it in the OP.
Thanks.

An idiot is me. I saw the link in the op the first time I read it, then at the end of the forgot about it and went looking myself.

To make up for it I wiki'd the ninth gate


"The movie opens with rare books-dealer Dean Corso (Johnny Depp) being offered a job by publishing tycoon Boris Balkan (Frank Langella) in New York. Balkan has recently acquired a copy of The Nine Gates of the Kingdom of Shadows by 17th century author Aristide Torchia. The book purportedly details the procedure for summoning the Devil. Balkan claims the book may be a forgery, and hires Corso to travel to Europe, assess the other two known copies, find out whether any are genuine and if so, acquire them for Balkan."
 

kaizersose

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that's great! i have never seen cursive hebrew quite like that before. then again, modern hebrew wasnt even really '(re)invented' until the late 19th century. prior to that, hebrew was as a religious language, only used in scripture.

i would never sell that, it's a family treasure, not to mention priceless. you should figure out the best way to store it and definitely keep it in a fireproof box.

congrats on the find!
 

halik

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Mega Update:
I wrote about this book on a blog. I was contacted by a professor from Yale who is about to publish a major essay on the topic of the book (Abraham ben Abraham). He emailed me with his phone number. I called him and we will be meeting sometime next week. He told me that it's very similiar to another one from 1862, but there are small and obvious differences. He wants an hour with the book to mark down the differences between this one and the other known texts. This could be interesting!

Wow, very cool. You might get listed as a contributor!
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: kaizersose
that's great! i have never seen cursive hebrew quite like that before. then again, modern hebrew wasnt even really '(re)invented' until the late 19th century. prior to that, hebrew was as a religious language, only used in scripture.

i would never sell that, it's a family treasure, not to mention priceless. you should figure out the best way to store it and definitely keep it in a fireproof box.

congrats on the find!
Hebrew was reinvented as a spoken language, it was always used as a written language for religious texts, not only scripture. This is not that hard to read actually, if you know cursive Hbrew, which I do. It's just that a few letters are written much differently than what I'm used to so it's slow going. They actually look like other letters. But once you get used to it, it's quite legibile.
 

j00fek

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Originally posted by: ThePresence


Mega Update:
I wrote about this book on a blog. I was contacted by a professor from Yale who is about to publish a major essay on the topic of the book (Abraham ben Abraham). He emailed me with his phone number. I called him and we will be meeting sometime next week. He told me that it's very similiar to another one from 1862, but there are small and obvious differences. He wants an hour with the book to mark down the differences between this one and the other known texts. This could be interesting!

thumbsup;
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
He wants to compare your book with his? Hmm, The Ninth Gate anyone?
Someone else said that. What happened in the movie, I've never seenit.

It's about an antique book collector being hired by some rich guy to investigate the authenticity of a rare book that was supposedly co-authored by the devil and holds the secret to immortality or something. But what happens is he finds out that the only 3 surviving books all have 3 differing illustrations and the ones that differ from the other 2 books have LCF (Lucifer) as the illustrator credit, so the collector is constantly studying the photos and trying to piece together the 9 illustrations that the devil drew. Great movie but not Depp's best work.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
He wants to compare your book with his? Hmm, The Ninth Gate anyone?
Someone else said that. What happened in the movie, I've never seenit.

It's about an antique book collector being hired by some rich guy to investigate the authenticity of a rare book that was supposedly co-authored by the devil and holds the secret to immortality or something. But what happens is he finds out that the only 3 surviving books all have 3 differing illustrations and the ones that differ from the other 2 books have LCF (Lucifer) as the illustrator credit, so the collector is constantly studying the photos and trying to piece together the 9 illustrations that the devil drew. Great movie but not Depp's best work.
Did anyone die? Do I have to watch my back? :)

 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
He wants to compare your book with his? Hmm, The Ninth Gate anyone?
Someone else said that. What happened in the movie, I've never seenit.

It's about an antique book collector being hired by some rich guy to investigate the authenticity of a rare book that was supposedly co-authored by the devil and holds the secret to immortality or something. But what happens is he finds out that the only 3 surviving books all have 3 differing illustrations and the ones that differ from the other 2 books have LCF (Lucifer) as the illustrator credit, so the collector is constantly studying the photos and trying to piece together the 9 illustrations that the devil drew. Great movie but not Depp's best work.
Did anyone die? Do I have to watch my back? :)

Yes people died, one guy torched himself because he thought he was immortal and wasn't, but I didn't mention the hot girl who followed Depp throughout the movie. I think you would take your chances with her, even though she's evil. :p
 

AdamK47

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Originally posted by: AdamK47
I'd try to contact a historian familiar with the subject. Maybe they can shed some light on the real year the book was written and where it came from. That wiki link shows two historians.

Good idea.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: AdamK47
Originally posted by: AdamK47
I'd try to contact a historian familiar with the subject. Maybe they can shed some light on the real year the book was written and where it came from. That wiki link shows two historians.
Good idea.
If you read the update, you'd see that I'm meeting with a professor familar with the story.
He's a recognized historian.