Forza 3 Game Night. Bring it, part deux!

[Lotheron]

we have have PI limit of 600, i think the weight is fine, it might even be a bit high for anyone wants to run the lotus.

I'm not sure how many would pick the lotus, would be vastly underpowered compared to the rest of the field on some tracks.

 

[ivan2]

I'm not sure how many would pick the lotus, would be vastly underpowered compared to the rest of the field on some tracks.

i will stay and fight the wing rule, i think the lotus will be competitive with no wing.

 

[Kabob]

Nurburgring GP track DLC announced.
Link

400 MS points aka $5...I won't be buying although if it's the track from PGR I love it...but no one else buys DLC tracks so it's a waste of $$ for me.

 

[Kabob]

i will stay and fight the wing rule, i think the lotus will be competitive with no wing.

I think it will be competitive with a wing as well. Once again this is a balancing things out rule. We don't have restrictor plates, creating drag and limiting top end is about as close as we can get.

 

[ivan2]

it only make sense if you are putting wing on a heavy car, put them on a light or already well handled car is crippling it's chance and limiting car choice. we should mandate wing on gallardo, stangs and the Porsches but not the lighter grip ones like the lotus or challenges

if you want to limit top speed we can mandate transmission upgrade and slot it with a max top speed of our choice, imo it is more realistic

oh i thought of another thing, the lotus is blown at the factory, not sure if it can be un-blown...

 

[Kabob]

The Exige Cup 240 is factory supercharged, most of those cars you can switch to natural aspiration though.

That said though the Exige GT3 does have a supercharger...and considering how down on power it is we could make an exception for it...if we decide to keep it.

1.8L I-4 w/Positive Displacement supercharger
~2150 lbs
271 HP...

And a GIANT freaking wing on the back!

 

[ivan2]

maybe the wing is the contributing factor of it's pitiful 23rd driver ranking.

 

[Abel007]

Wow, lots happening today in the ol F3 thread!

The only true balance is going to be us running the same cars.

I am on board for anything you guys come up with though. I like the different cars racing, but there is going to be car that dominates everyone else.

Also, the light car, low output cars will be ignored completely if a wing is required. They just won't have the aero to pull any kind of top speed.

 

[Kabob]

Wow, lots happening today in the ol F3 thread!

The only true balance is going to be us running the same cars.

I am on board for anything you guys come up with though. I like the different cars racing, but there is going to be car that dominates everyone else.

Also, the light car, low output cars will be ignored completely if a wing is required. They just won't have the aero to pull any kind of top speed.

Yeah, identical cars is the only way to make it fair, it's also the most boring route.

If that's the case lets axe the low hp low weight car (Exige) and high HP high weight car (Murcielago?) to keep a nice middle ground.

 

[ivan2]

we need to limit the HP to about 520 or maybe even 500. at it's current enduro configuration, the Gallardo runs at least a second faster than both winged and non-winged 360CS, faster than the LP640. in test track it's mugello time is even faster than my leaderboard time.

 

[ivan2]

alright done a lap with lotheron, the lambo doesn't seem to be as good as it's on paper, you might have a hard time catching it but it's not easy to pass anyone on it, so we can prob hold the HP rating for now.

lotheron runs a wingless 360CS

 

[Lotheron]

alright done a lap with lotheron, the lambo doesn't seem to be as good as it's on paper, you might have a hard time catching it but it's not easy to pass anyone on it, so we can prob hold the HP rating for now.

lotheron runs a wingless 360CS

I'll put awing on it if required. I was just putting a car together. I don't think at A600 any car needs a wing imo, but if we're putting it as part of the rules, I'll throw it on.

 

[ivan2]

thought of it more, i think we should try the 520HP limit.

 

[ivan2]

make it 500

 

[Lotheron]

make it 500

wanna make the rules to fit your car? lol

 

[Lotheron]

550 is fine

 

[Kabob]

I like 500 more honestly...although that knocks off the Audi and Z06...maybe something ridiculous like 510 will fit the bill (I don't plan on running either of those cars).

Or we could try something ridiculous like a power:weight ratio.

Also, since we've not heard from Quik I'm making an "above my pay grade" decision, famous, what car are we running this Wednesday night?

 

[Lotheron]

Hmm my Gallardo has 543HP and it runs good

I think power to weight would be more reasonable. Because heavy cars are at a breaking disadvantage as well.

< 500 hp and required forza wing limits things pretty good

 

[ivan2]

Also, since we've not heard from Quik I'm making an "above my pay grade" decision, famous, what car are we running this Wednesday night?

scratch that, quik is back!

 

[ivan2]

i tried the 520HP lambo, it is still pulling ahead of the other cars in both mugello and road america. only limiting it to 500 will kill it's road america time and therefore making it more towards the grip car instead of a one car to beat them all.

 

[QuikWgn]

This weeks car...*drumroll please*

SPEC Lotus Carlton's @B500.

Cheap build that is really well balanced and easy to drive, and SPEC means SPEC. I know there are suspension upgrades that can be done with this build that will not change the PI but lets keep it fair.

Build as follows (assists are your choice as always)...

F/R Forza Aero maxxed 100/200lbs

Sport Tires w/max F/R width upgrades

TSW Trackstar 4 wheels Stock diameter

Stock Driveline EXCEPT:
Sport Clutch
Sport Trans 4.33:1 ratio

Stock Suspension EXCEPT:
Race Brakes (modable for balance/pressure for the non-abs'ers)
Sport Springs & Dampers
Race Cage
Street weight reduction

Stock Engine EXCEPT:
Sport oil & cooling

 

[QuikWgn]

On the topic of endurance, there are way too many cars on that list to build and test them all, plus these are all PRICEY VEHICLES. Even with the $5mill in cash I have, I would only be able to buy and test/tune maybe half of them. We need to narrow the list down first. Optimally lb/hp would be the most fair leveling method, but there is just not enough control over weight to make it feasible unless you want to say there must be a minimum of 5.5 lb/hp. If you to set the limit @ 500 hp the car must weigh @ least 2750lbs. If you limit too much stuff like tire compound/max width/etc many of the cars will be pi restricted automatically because there is very little to upgrade to stay within all the parameters.

 

[ivan2]

well we can always do the points leader take 30 PI off. i think it worked

 

[ivan2]

quik, the car seems to work better with a slightly deflated tire...

 

[greydumplin]

Question is the chosen car for Wednesday or the endurance run? Me is confused