Former Russian Terrorist Tragedy Thread

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Yay for people who put their political goals above such silly things as right and wrong.

I'm talking about the terrorists here, not the Russians...although I suppose this would apply to anyone who does the above.

not negotiating with terrorists is the right thing to do. negotiations only helps to encourage terrorism.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.

So you're saying that we should do somethign about Chechnya, then saying it's embarrassing if a conservative brings it up as such? :/

 

[maddogchen]

Russian commandos are in hot pursuit of the hostage-takers. There was also a report of two women terrorists dressed in white, trying to flee and blend into the population.

Another media report said 13 militants had managed to escape.

eh? how could they escape? Shouldn't the school be lined with 3 or 4 rings of police and troops, with nearby residents evacuated to prevent escape?

 

[Hugenstein]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.

So you're saying that we should do somethign about Chechnya, then saying it's embarrassing if a conservative brings it up as such? :/

To point to a terrorist attack that the Bush administration is completely ignoring, and say look, this is why we need to fight harder against terror, is disingenuous at best.

 

[Hugenstein]

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Russian commandos are in hot pursuit of the hostage-takers. There was also a report of two women terrorists dressed in white, trying to flee and blend into the population.

Another media report said 13 militants had managed to escape.

eh? how could they escape? Shouldn't the school be lined with 3 or 4 rings of police and troops, with nearby residents evacuated to prevent escape?

Hundreds of people running out of a building where the roof had just collapsed, hundreds more injured, hundreds killed, it would be hard to maintain control of that situation, and identify who is a parent and who is a terrorist.

 

[ReiAyanami]

so we should bomb chechnya?

 

[maddogchen]

Originally posted by: Hugenstein

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Russian commandos are in hot pursuit of the hostage-takers. There was also a report of two women terrorists dressed in white, trying to flee and blend into the population.

Another media report said 13 militants had managed to escape.

eh? how could they escape? Shouldn't the school be lined with 3 or 4 rings of police and troops, with nearby residents evacuated to prevent escape?

Hundreds of people running out of a building where the roof had just collapsed, hundreds more injured, hundreds killed, it would be hard to maintain control of that situation, and identify who is a parent and who is a terrorist.

with proper planning you can control that. establish zones. herd the injured to 3 or 4 medical zones where ambulances and doctors are waiting. Herd the rest into 2 security zones where they are checked to see if they are good or bad. Also keep the parents away from the scene, even going as far as keeping them locked up because they'll only rush to the scene and create more confusion. Plus you don't really want a parent to see their dead children's body parts like that.

This just seems very uncoordinated to me.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Hugenstein

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Hugenstein
Chalk up another win in the war on terror. :disgust:

I wonder what other countries who are minding there own business we can attack, while actual terrorists are allowed to operate freely around the world.

Right wing radio was trying to invoke this as a reason why we need to be strong on the war on terror (just not strong against these terrorists, i guess.). It's embarrassing that people are buying this crap.

So you're saying that we should do somethign about Chechnya, then saying it's embarrassing if a conservative brings it up as such? :/

To point to a terrorist attack that the Bush administration is completely ignoring, and say look, this is why we need to fight harder against terror, is disingenuous at best.

Chechnya actually serve as a perfect example that force and starting wars Bush Admin likes to do isn't the answer to the war on terrorism. Russia has done pretty much all it can on Chechnya, occupied the region, installed a puppet government, and killed tens and thousands of people they labeled as terrorist, and this is the price they are paying. Hundred people killed in the Moscow theater two years ago, 2 airplane crash the other day, and now this.

When is people going to wake up to the crap Bush admin is spewing that force (or "be strong") is the only solution to this war on terror and the only way to end terrorism is to kill all the terrorists. When is people going to start understand the real problem behind those acts of terrorism. Like the fight for independance in Chechnya, or the fight against western imperialism in the Arab countries, or the fight against Israeli occupation in Palestine.

 

[piasabird]

Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

WTF are you talking about? So everytime a white Christian guy kills his wife, I need to troll around the forums and ask for white Christian husbands to apologize for a murderer?

The level of intelligence in these forums is sinking rapidly.

And to the fellow who said Islam is a blight on humanity, remember that Islam comprises 1/4 OF humanity. So we either live together or we die together.

 

[Genx87]

When is people going to wake up to the crap Bush admin is spewing that force (or "be strong") is the only solution to this war on terror and the only way to end terrorism is to kill all the terrorists. When is people going to start understand the real problem behind those acts of terrorism. Like the fight for independance in Chechnya, or the fight against western imperialism in the Arab countries, or the fight against Israeli occupation in Palestine.

So what do you suggest? You are dealing with a group of people who have their vision of the world. If you dont like it they kill you. There is little you can do except kill them as fast as they appear.

We played the appeasement card for 30 years and it got us nowhere. Lets play a more active role for the next 30 and see how it pans out.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I wonder what Russia is going to do now...

 

[klah]

Half of the terrorists were not even Chechens, they were Arabs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3624024.stm

20 hostage-takers had died in exchanges of fire with troops, at least nine of them Arabs.

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

Pls excuse double post.......my connection appeared to have died.......

 

[faZZter]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

Yeah the one common thing in most of these tragic stories is the word MUSLIM.

Yet law enforcement shouldn't profile people......

whatever

 

[f95toli]

From what I saw on the news an hour ago something went really wrong. This was NOT a planned assault by the Russian forces, someone started shooting and what followed was just chaos.

Swedish TV had a reported at the school, he saw Russian soldiers shooting directly at the school during the attack, the reporter (he is well-known is Sweden and I trust him) called the Russian effort "incompetent", saying that they acted without coordination during the assault.

Which means someone fcked up...

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: loki8481
anyone know why all the children were half-naked?

I just saw some footage on CNN, and every kid was in various states of undress (from just wearing jeans to a few girls who looked like they were only wearing their underwear).

Probably one of those things we really don't want to know. 🙁

probaby so either they cant carry an attack weapon and overwhelm the terrorists, or it was quite hot in the building, or both, i seriously doubt what is being hinted at.

 

[Klixxer]

At least 300 dead is the latest report i heard, just minutes ago. Most of them children.

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
so we should bomb chechnya?

just carpet bomb the 'dink' villages.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: faZZter

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

Yeah the one common thing in most of these tragic stories is the word MUSLIM.

Yet law enforcement shouldn't profile people......

whatever

Racial profiling is nothing new in the US, the US outgrew it and the genetists were discarded, in Nazi Germany they were prosperous.

You should be careful what you wish for, one day it might be your turn.

 

[dudeguy]

Originally posted by: f95toli
From what I saw on the news an hour ago something went really wrong. This was NOT a planned assault by the Russian forces, someone started shooting and what followed was just chaos.

Swedish TV had a reported at the school, he saw Russian soldiers shooting directly at the school during the attack, the reporter (he is well-known is Sweden and I trust him) called the Russian effort "incompetent", saying that they acted without coordination during the assault.

Which means someone fcked up...

it was undoubtedly a fu*k up, when they stopped the water to the hostages that should have been enough warning that teh end game was probably near, but i guess when the terrorists start the killing you just have to rush in. anyway the russians should have dug tunnels under the school in the last 2 days and had many more snipers and snipe towers for the upstairs shooting positions, and had percussion grenades and so on, but they dont have the resources the west has either. i still say saving the majoirty of the hostages is better than it could have been. they didnt save any on the 9/11 flights remember.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faZZter

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

Yeah the one common thing in most of these tragic stories is the word MUSLIM.

Yet law enforcement shouldn't profile people......

whatever

Racial profiling is nothing new in the US, the US outgrew it and the genetists were discarded, in Nazi Germany they were prosperous.

You should be careful what you wish for, one day it might be your turn.

You're comparing racial profiling that some people propose to Nazi Germany?

Racial profiling is nothing new in the entire world.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
/me is wondering where Sultan is, and how he intends to defend the "religion of peace" this time..

Islam is a blight on humanity.

:roll:

Yeah...let's lump all Muslims into one category. While we're at it, let's lump all Christians into one group and Jews, too.

Why not? Islam as a whole does not appear to value human life (they appear to be perfectly content beheading people, blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, killing children in a school...), and there appears to be no worldwide outcry within the Islamic world of any sort against any action of terror committed in the name of Islam.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: faZZter

Originally posted by: piasabird
Where are the supposed good muslims who should be speaking out against these actions?

I think many muslims secretly laugh in their heart when terrorists are successful in killing people.

Where is the outcry of muslims to protect the innocent?

This is why I was against the war with Iraq. I knew things like this could happen. Muslim people do not have the stomach to even fight for their own freedom.

Yeah the one common thing in most of these tragic stories is the word MUSLIM.

Yet law enforcement shouldn't profile people......

whatever

Racial profiling is nothing new in the US, the US outgrew it and the genetists were discarded, in Nazi Germany they were prosperous.

You should be careful what you wish for, one day it might be your turn.

You're comparing racial profiling that some people propose to Nazi Germany?

Yes, if you know the story it isn't strange at all, the genetist agenda that Nazi Germany actually looked at the US to perfect was the start of racial profiling in the Nazi German society, the belief that some races were inferior is what it all came down to, a perfection and elimination strategy, it did exist in the US in the 20-30's too but not to the same extremes, the means were different (immigrants not fitting the "good" racial profile were not allowed to stay) but the goal was the same, to determine quality of human beings because of their race.

It is a stupid theory to begin with, that races should be profiled and categorized as if it was something that was specific for each race regarding behaviour or intelligence.

It IS what racial profiling is about, however, it wouldn't work with muslims, so the poster who suggested it is clearly a moronic little twirp who doesn't know the difference between race and religion.

If you disagree i am willing to discuss it with you.

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
/me is wondering where Sultan is, and how he intends to defend the "religion of peace" this time..

Islam is a blight on humanity.

:roll:

Yeah...let's lump all Muslims into one category. While we're at it, let's lump all Christians into one group and Jews, too.

Why not? Islam as a whole does not appear to value human life (they appear to be perfectly content beheading people, blowing themselves up, flying planes into buildings, killing children in a school...), and there appears to be no worldwide outcry within the Islamic world of any sort against any action of terror committed in the name of Islam.

Did the catholics in IRA value human life when they blew up car bombs in front of schools?

It seems catholics do not appear to value human life (they seem to be perfectly content killing children in suicide missions).

Fundamentalists are bad no matter WHICH religion they adhere to.