It is kind of disturbing that this is not a bigger story in the US media. HELLO!!! Isn't this major news?
Everything seems to be about Clinton's heart surgery and Hurricane Frances and the RNC.
Everything seems to be about Clinton's heart surgery and Hurricane Frances and the RNC.
really? if thats true, then they really are the biggest idiots in the world. Do something like that and get captured??? no way man, you're better off dying in a hail of bullets or blowing yourself up.
Germans have been practicing their racial type beliefs when they were raping colonies and organizing inhabitants on how white they looked because they believed that whites were superior. Most European colonial powers practiced these beliefs, instituted apartheid systems, etc. Germans even organized concentration camps in Africa well before the Nazis rose into power.
Even to this day, some of these beliefs are prevalent in Germany as seen in their desire to set up concentration camps in North Africa, their belief of German ethnic superiority (no non-ethnic Germans were allowed to be citizens until 2000), etc.
I've been devastated by this all day.
The reality is that this could very well happen HERE next. I wonder how many people realize this?
The reality is that this could very well happen HERE next. I wonder how many people realize this?
Supposedly they captured some that were the ones that escaped. One was captured in a hospital and another was beaten to death by a civilian crowd. However, I'm not sure how accurate this is.
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The whole thing about this that really is throwing up a flag for me is why these people are still being characterized as Chechnyan militants when it is painfully obvious (possibly a dozen or more Arab Mercs) that this was nothing more than another Islamic terrorist attack. Medeival Islam Religion of conquest and subjugation is apparently still alive and well. On another note whether the russians blew it or not there was no way the terrorists were going to let those hostages go without attempting to murder many of them. My take is that there was only one possible ending for the situation from the start. Sure hope they captured some of the Arabs alive. Would love to be a bug on the wall when the interrogation starts. It will make Abu Gharaib look like a carribean resort.
ha! you buddy are living in the past! it could never happen, the students would pull their guns out and shoot the attackers!
Am i? would you then kindly tell me how racial profiling *in your non-exaggerated version* works?
[edit:] i would also be interested in knowing WHAT my slippery slope argument was, because i read and read my post and *I* can't find it, i never talked about future development at all, i was talking about the concept as a whole and the DIRECT effect of it, not the effect that COULD develop from it. [/edit]
Tell me, when was the last time you saw ANY catholic whatsoever, even a single one condemning the actions of the IRA?
The whole western Islamic community has condemned several acts of terror, it is just not great news, not as good as *TERROR ALERT* blinking all over your TV screen.
In the case of Chechenya, the problem runs a LOT deeper than just religion, the actions that have taken place are not defendable and i have no wish to defend them either, line them up and shoot them down, but if you think this has to do with religion you are a lot dumber than i thought.
There are other examples of fundamentalists all over the world, of ALL religion (not sure about buddhism though).
A once man once said "everything in moderation" now that goes for alcohol and that goes for religion, too much of it is enough to drive anyone into a drunken stupor, whether it is alcohol or religion that they got too much of.
No, I'm saying that your use of comparing racial profiling in case of crimes to Nazi Germany is an overexaggeration. Unless I am reading your post wrong.
What does racial profiling at this level have anything to do with Nazis?
Very good point in remark to someone who was trying to denigrate the US while apparently completely forgetting about European history. Germany only had to look at its own actions to come up with a Nazi plan.
Bah, we all know how "they" are, they should apologize to please us "refined" "civilised" and "cultured" beings who just go to war if we can invent a reason for it, THAT my friend is justified (true or not, who cares?)
Yeah, I don't understand what these people are asking for..every single Muslim in the entire world protesting against this? I'm sure that many leaders are against these auctions; they just don't make the news as much.
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Thats exactly what I want.
you need to understand the importance of muslim religous leaders speaking out against these atrocities, if all this terrorist crap is done so in the name of religion, then these terrorists would begin to lose some of that 1.4 billion support.
as it stands now, I don't think that is the case. I think there are many muslims out there supporting this crap, I think that until you get the muslim leadership to publicly condemn these acts there will continue to be more muslims in support, rather than against these terrorists.
yes there needs to be speeches, LOTS of them. imho
Oh, FFS, reading comprehension isn't anything the two of you have ever been good at.
WHERE did i forget about European history?
We were not discussing European history in this thread, now were we? We were discussing racial profiling, my point is that it was used in the past in BOTH the US and Europe and anyone who wants it back is a complete and utter moron.
The thing is that the genetists of Germany in the 30's worked closely with American genetists, it was a belief in the US in the 20-30's that people of "lesser" races (most of all the semities) were not as capable and were labled as not wanted. the entire immigration system was based upon it, the German genetists looked at the work the US genetists had made and followed up on it.
Nobody is saying anything more than that this was racial profiling, this was taken to the extremes by Hitler though who wanted to "purify" the entire population, the thought behind the American genetic research and immigration selection was, of course, the same though.
Has the pope EVER condemned the IRA?
I want EVERY catholic to do what you want every muslim to do. Is that fair enough for you?
Nazi germany used racial profiling in an attempt to purify the aryan race, what can you use racial profiling for if you believe deep down that all races are equal?
You were discussing parts of European history. I know that you are an uneducated brute, as you admitted to, but Nazi Germany is a part of European history. These racist and genocidal ideas were well established already by Germans before the 1900's. I'm not denying that some US people did believe in some sort of racist belief - but you stating that Germans had to look at the US is forgetting Germany's horrendous history.
Racial profiling is not the same as racial purification, which is what the Germans sought after.
I'm sure that people all over the world thought the same. I'm not denying that. However, Germany already had enough foundation and practice in racial hatred. They would have done this on their own.
In addition, I don't believe that proponents of racial profiling believe that any race is superior or inferior.
For some reason I don't think that racial profiling today is the same as racial purification that the Europeans sought after.
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