PricklyPete
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Um...you fail math...the American MPG ratings are always worse than the UK ratings as you get more Miles per gallon when your gallon is bigger.
Um...you fail math...the American MPG ratings are always worse than the UK ratings as you get more Miles per gallon when your gallon is bigger.
Ktulu
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Even if GM had a Prius equivalent out right now it would not mean a damn thing. It is not how many vehicles they are selling since they're always competing with Toyota for the #1 spot. It's that they can't make any profits right now because of the damage the unions have been and are continuing to do.
Scarpozzi
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- Jun 13, 2000
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I think a lot of automakers would actually turn more profits if they offered less models. Its when they start making all kinds of specialty vehicles that they lose economies of scale and the vehicles start to lose reliability through engineering oversights.
Anyhow....both companies are going to lose a lot more unless they can make people think american cars get better gas mileage than the import economy cars and hybrids....
Anyhow....both companies are going to lose a lot more unless they can make people think american cars get better gas mileage than the import economy cars and hybrids....
PingSpike
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- Feb 25, 2004
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While I think Generation X has its problems (as do all 'generations'), and I may be a bit biased (apparently I'm generation X...or Y, depends who you ask I guess) I find it hard to swallow that all the countries problems are the fault of Generation X. And certainly, I reject the very idea that if any one generation is behind GM's failure to remain competitive...that Generation X would be the one to blame.
I'm interested as to why you feel that Generation X "rested on the accomplishments of the previous generation" and why they have had such a signifigant impact on the country in such a short amount of time which being a comparitively small demographic next to boomers. My opinion is this country is collectively obsessed with boomers problems as they are the largest voting demographic.
Opps, read that too fast.
Gosh, talk about rude. :roll:
Point still stands, that even with combined MPG with 20% knocked off, it's way over the "standard" we talked about above.
hanoverphist
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unless cars are being made out of plastic or some other non rusting metal, id say that any car will eventually rust. i have a 1980 cadillac that still runs and has no rust on it at all. this arizona, rust isnt an issue much. how about instead of building a car that will withstand the rigors of time, we start looking at what those midwest and east coast cities are putting on your roads during storms to make them rust out. my international scout (1961) lasted 240k miles with the original engine build. my suburban 4wd lasted 170 before we decided to sell it. decided. we could have driven it for much longer. my 1979 chevy step side 4wd lasted 195k miles, and i beat the hell out of that thing. my dad had a ford F150 with a 390 in it that he drove as a blocklayer forever, had over 200k miles on it before he got rid of it. the work trucks here are all chevy 3/4 ton and we dont even get rid of them until they hit 200k miles, and we sell them off. there are still our work trucks rolling in our parking lot, as most of them sell to employees. id say that there isnt much backing your claim of crappy mileage use on chevys. if the new ones arent lasting that long in 10 years ill print this page and eat it with mayo and cheese.
On the rust topic, I have a Saturn and they don't have rust problems because of the polymers they put over the outsides.
Actually, the Blue Motion edition (which had the highest MPG on the link I posted above) would pass emissions, it emits less than a Toyota Prius.
"The down stream side of the engine is equipped with exhaust gas recirculation, a particulate filter and oxidation catalyst. Most impressively it has lower CO2 emissions than a Toyota Prius at only 102g/km, 2g less than the Japanese hybrid."
Source: http://www.autobloggreen.com/2...luemotion-in-mid-2007/
BassBomb
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Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: BassBomb
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Sarcasm I hope?
English gallon is 1.2 american gallons
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...lon#Measures_of_volume
So that would mean the mpg would be even better in American ratings.
Hmm..I thought the UK and USA used the same standardized Gallon for cars when measuring MPG. Interesting.
No. For each british gallon letsay you go 88 miles,
But for each American gallon you will go 73 miles.
xanis
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It seems to me that GM is still making good quality products, just not products that people want or need at this point in time. Instead of building six different SUVs, they could cut that in half and build three, then spend the extra resources on producing better small cars. The Aveo sucks (so I've heard). Why not stop focusing on making tanks like the Suburban/Tahoe and start putting time and effort into making a better Aveo, or another small car? IMO, GM also needs to consolidate their brands:
1) Ditch Hummer. Too big and they use too much gas. If people want a big GM SUV, Chevy has it covered with the old faithfuls, the Suburban and Tahoe.
2) Merge Oldsmobile and Buick. Both aren't necessary. Only one brand is needed to fill the gap between Chevy/Cadillac.
3) Merge GMC and Chevy. GMC builds vehicles that are pretty much identical to some in Chevy's line, right? Then why do we need two?
1) Ditch Hummer. Too big and they use too much gas. If people want a big GM SUV, Chevy has it covered with the old faithfuls, the Suburban and Tahoe.
2) Merge Oldsmobile and Buick. Both aren't necessary. Only one brand is needed to fill the gap between Chevy/Cadillac.
3) Merge GMC and Chevy. GMC builds vehicles that are pretty much identical to some in Chevy's line, right? Then why do we need two?
BassBomb
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Oldsmobile is already gone.
Like I said in my first post in this thread, they should produce less good cars rather than alot of mediocre cars.
In my opinion having cars that compete against each other in their own company is not a good idea (in the car market at least). They should drop pontiac and keep chevrolet as the main product line focusing on GOOD cars for each class. Too much parity can be a bad thing when the cars themselves are not spectacular.
i thought their quality was improving recently - some of the cars look really nice (like the new malibu)
Engineer
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There aren't that many "imports" anymore. Many are made here in the US.
As for plastics, I agree 100%. GM's cars, which I've ridden in quite a few lately, really feel shitty on the dash area with the hard plastics that they are using. However, that noted, I also feel that many automakers are going that way and I personally think the Toyota Camry feels almost the same way.
GM and Ford are trying with cars like the Malibu and the Fusion, but there are still things to be desired. GM's use of too much hard plastic and Ford making more and more of their cars in Mexico are just a few examples.
QFT. GM and the Unions have gotten themselves into a money crunch situation like no other. The huge amounts of money in pensions and even more in the healthcare funds (38 billion transfered to the onion to run) have slaughtered GM's chances at going forward. I'm not sure they can cut enough to survive....either the onion's and their retires are going to have to give back, IMO, or they'll lose in the end. As simple as that...
- Mar 20, 2000
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i dunno about diesels. i do know that european gas models won't pass US emissions. all the extra emissions equipment leads to crappy mileage for some reason or another, and is a big part of why US versions of cars like the 335 get worse mileage than their european counterparts.
Meh, it's nothing less than they deserve.
Ford got blindsided by gas prices, I love how all their eggs were in the same back with their 'Ford F150, #1 selling truck for blablabla years running' campaign. Now all of a sudden people realized that driving a truck costs too much and Ford has their pants around the ankles. If it wasn't for the fusion, I don't know what they would do.
And GM I would love to see going bankrupt just to stick it to them. My 2001 Grand Am had 80000km's when I sold it at the 6 year mark and I only made a lousy 3500$ for it.
Not bad, pay 30k on the road for a car in 2001, pay an avg of 1000$ a year in maintenance and then sell it in 2007 for 3500$... net profit... negative 32500$! Are you kidding me? My Toyota Prius cost half as much, has only cost me 150$ in scheduled maintenance so far which it easily offset by saving me 100$ a month in gas. It's amazing driving a car where you don't have to replace the break pads, rotors or wheel bearings every 6 months!
Ford got blindsided by gas prices, I love how all their eggs were in the same back with their 'Ford F150, #1 selling truck for blablabla years running' campaign. Now all of a sudden people realized that driving a truck costs too much and Ford has their pants around the ankles. If it wasn't for the fusion, I don't know what they would do.
And GM I would love to see going bankrupt just to stick it to them. My 2001 Grand Am had 80000km's when I sold it at the 6 year mark and I only made a lousy 3500$ for it.
Not bad, pay 30k on the road for a car in 2001, pay an avg of 1000$ a year in maintenance and then sell it in 2007 for 3500$... net profit... negative 32500$! Are you kidding me? My Toyota Prius cost half as much, has only cost me 150$ in scheduled maintenance so far which it easily offset by saving me 100$ a month in gas. It's amazing driving a car where you don't have to replace the break pads, rotors or wheel bearings every 6 months!
So you want to "stick it to them" because they made a car that you drove for 80,000KM and had a low resale value?
Some of these imports have inflated resales. For example, why would I buy a 2 year old Jetta for 15,500 when I can get a new one for 16-17k?
dainthomas
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I love my F150. The only thing that kind of sucks is I have to go up under the front bumper every couple weeks and pry out the Civics and Jettas that get stuck in there.
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