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Jhhnn

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From Sinsear-

The difference between me and the people like you is that you would rather turn a blind eye to radical Islam, whose followers are trying to spread their religion and Sharia law by the sword (suicide bomb, suicide airplane, etc.), whereas I would rather stand up and fight them now, rather than have to convert to their primitive & oppressive type of life later.

Coupla problems there... first off, suicide attacks are characteristic of Sunni radicals, not Shia, the Iranians being the latter... That is who we're talking about, right?

This whole thing with the Iranians is just another case of trumped-up pre-emptive war, and we know how justified that was the last time, and how well it's working out...

The part of it all that leaves me scratching my head is just how gullible and well indoctrinated some people must be to believe the Bushistas, at all, particularly wrt the mideast and the Iranians. They miss the Shah- he was their pal, their puppet, and his secret police, SAVAK, was a model of the "efficiency" they love so much- so effective, in fact, that the only organized political entity capable of running Iran when that regime fell was the Iranian equivalent of the religious right, the mullahs...

But, of course, wingnuts firmly believe that problems with Iran began with the occupation of the US embassy almost 30 years ago, when they're much older, dating back to our installation of the Shah in 1953... and our unflinching support of his brand of repression and brutality in the interim...

There's nothing wrong with Iran that bombing them won't just make worse, given that much of the reason that Iran's hardliners are still in control is that they're being propped up by hostile outside rhetoric, mostly from the Bush Clan and the Israelis. Iran has her own patriots and threatening their govt just strengthens their resolve, brings their blood up...

And I think it's important to remember that starting a war is easy, but that finishing one is another matter entirely, something that our short-sighted neocon friends apparently haven't considered...
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From Sinsear-

The difference between me and the people like you is that you would rather turn a blind eye to radical Islam, whose followers are trying to spread their religion and Sharia law by the sword (suicide bomb, suicide airplane, etc.), whereas I would rather stand up and fight them now, rather than have to convert to their primitive & oppressive type of life later.

Coupla problems there... first off, suicide attacks are characteristic of Sunni radicals, not Shia, the Iranians being the latter... That is who we're talking about, right?

This whole thing with the Iranians is just another case of trumped-up pre-emptive war, and we know how justified that was the last time, and how well it's working out...

The part of it all that leaves me scratching my head is just how gullible and well indoctrinated some people must be to believe the Bushistas, at all, particularly wrt the mideast and the Iranians. They miss the Shah- he was their pal, their puppet, and his secret police, SAVAK, was a model of the "efficiency" they love so much- so effective, in fact, that the only organized political entity capable of running Iran when that regime fell was the Iranian equivalent of the religious right, the mullahs...

But, of course, wingnuts firmly believe that problems with Iran began with the occupation of the US embassy almost 30 years ago, when they're much older, dating back to our installation of the Shah in 1953... and our unflinching support of his brand of repression and brutality in the interim...

There's nothing wrong with Iran that bombing them won't just make worse, given that much of the reason that Iran's hardliners are still in control is that they're being propped up by hostile outside rhetoric, mostly from the Bush Clan and the Israelis. Iran has her own patriots and threatening their govt just strengthens their resolve, brings their blood up...

And I think it's important to remember that starting a war is easy, but that finishing one is another matter entirely, something that our short-sighted neocon friends apparently haven't considered...

Our short-sighted neocons wanted to appease both sides of the aisle and left the military hanging. The Iraq War, regardless of why it began or how unjustified it is, requires at least 500,000 more soldiers to bring any real results. Nickle and diming U.S soldiers is disgusting...

meh.

 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Coupla problems there... first off, suicide attacks are characteristic of Sunni radicals, not Shia, the Iranians being the latter... That is who we're talking about, right?
That's not entirely true. Shi'ite Iranians have formed several "Martyrdom Brigades" who announced that they will stage suicide attacks throughout the ME if/when the U.S. attacks Iran. Several of them were even stopped trying to cross the Turkish border on their way to join Hezbollah in Lebanon.

As for the rest of what you said, you're not far off from the truth, and I sincerely hope we're never forced to attack Iran.

ALL > For those of you arguing over sources and websites, and who want a little more insight into the ME mindset, check out Memri.org. They translate a lot of ME newspaper articles and TV shows into English, and they do a fairly decent job of showing the different sides of each issue...
 

Noobtastic

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Announcements and actions are two different things, palehorse. We haven't seen Shia suicide bombings thus far, and may never.

MEMRI? Heh. Their claims of non partisanship don't really ring true...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/else...tory/0,,773258,00.html

If anybody wants to balance what they read, then they'll want Al Ahram and Al Jazeera...

You did not just list an op-ed and then recommend Al Jazeera?

Ha.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Announcements and actions are two different things, palehorse. We haven't seen Shia suicide bombings thus far, and may never.

MEMRI? Heh. Their claims of non partisanship don't really ring true...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/else...tory/0,,773258,00.html

If anybody wants to balance what they read, then they'll want Al Ahram and Al Jazeera...
I've heard of the alleged bias, but I've never been given the impression that they are biased in any way. After all, the articles are not their own. They are translations of genuine ME media from popular ME sources.

But of course one should never limit themselves to any single source of information... I read (skim) about 1000 articles every day, from thousands of different sources. It's actually part of my job...