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For all unemployeed Americans,.. there is hope!

Macamus Prime

Macamus Prime

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Here is a great opportunity!!

http://news.yahoo.com/ala-loses-workers-immigration-law-takes-effect-222404123.html

I would like apologize to all the people who I called xenophobic and racist for wanting to chase out every brown person in the US. I didn't realize you were actually fighting to ensure jobs will go back to Americans!!

Great work guys!!

Now, with all the illegal AND legal migrant workers leaving states like Alabama, it is ensured every unemployed American can obtain work!! Well, for the short run anyway,...

Farmer Chad Smith said his family farm stands to lose up to $150,000 because there are not enough workers to pick tomatoes spoiling in the fields.

"We will be lucky to be in business next year," he said.
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,.... we'll worry about that later.

I mean, the important thing is that you shoo'ed away all non-Americans (you got what you wished for) and now Americans can find some work!!

Mission Accomplished Gents - keep up the good work!
 
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Awww gee, let's all feel sorry for the smuck who isn't inviting Americans to take that job by offering... what do liberals call it? A living wage!

Does this mean you support his refusal to give workers American quality wages?
 
Jaskalas said:
It's about employers learning there's no such thing as cheap labor.
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Yes there is:
- illegal/legal migrant laborers
- China
- India
- Philippines

Businesses have been using this route to get the cheapest possible labor.

And, these very forums scream and yell bloody murder when unions and "self entitled" Americans demand more than just $15K a year for a 10 hour 6 day work week.
 
Do you support employers using illegal workers to circumvent a 'living wage'?

I don't. That cost is still picked up by society. Poverty does not pay for itself. In this case, the cost should be picked up by the employer, directly, though wages. The American workers tell him this by refusing his low wage. For the employer, there should be no alternative.

Protect American workers from a foreign invasion, and you protect American jobs. The free market will handle the rest from there.
 
Jaskalas said:
For the employer, there should be no alternative.
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Then you are a communist.

🙂

I agree with protecting American jobs. I agree with a living wage.

However, most of the scum bag fingermen swine on these forums state otherwise. They agree with whatever will make the most money for the "risk takers". If you place your capital on the market, you deserve to do whatever it takes to make your money back tenfold.

Face it, the only reason "they" are here, is because American business owners are waving undocumented cash in the air.

And, the only reason jobs are being shipped overseas, is because the unions and the American worker has been vilified and deemed too expensive. One anecdotal example of a corrupt union worker means every union worker is corrupt, on these forums.

Yet, most people totally disregard how some toothless red neck pile of vomit is hiring illegals.

These same selectively blind assholes also scream about how Americans are living beyond their means and immorally (drugs, booze, etc) - yet knowingly ignore the lifestyle of the rich.

Again, these same fucktards claim liberals are pushing for socialism and communism (which is bad, we get it), yet support a capitalist doing whatever needs to be done to gain more money, such as, shipping jobs over to a communist country!!

And, here is the best part - all this wealth gained is JUST dandy, since those who gained this wealth,... will create jobs. When called out on it, we go back to "bu, bu, bu, but teh communisms fer tellin me wha ta do with mah monies!!!"

It's one big vicious circle.
 
That article is another fine example of the dimlib idiot mindset. They whine about jobs going unfilled. Last I checked there's a high unemployment rate, and the supply/demand process will set the pay rate needed for filing the jobs.

Businesses counting on ultra low wage rates resulting from hiring illegal immigrants is not appropriate. Fixing it so that they have to pay real wages instead of artificial low ones is not a bad thing, it's a good thing.

"My husband and I take them to the grocery store at night and shop for them because they are afraid they will be arrested," she said.
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They should be afraid of getting arrested if they're breaking the law. The article tries to paint that as a negative thing. Having criminals be afraid of getting arrested is a good thing.

Cristian Gonzalez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, is a stay-at-home mother of four who lives in a mobile home in suburban Birmingham with her husband. They sneaked across the border in 2009 and planned to save money and eventually return to their home country.
"We're afraid to go to Walmart. I'm afraid to walk the kids up there to get the bus. I am afraid to drive," Gonzalez said.
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They are here illegally, duh.



Her husband worked as a brick mason and cook, but was recently unemployed. Now they have decided they probably will return to Mexico.
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Win! Again, the article presents that as a negative thing when it's actually exactly what the law was intended to do.



This is a good example of how states can create effective measures to combat the problem the fed gov won't tackle.
 
Macamus Prime said:
Here is a great opportunity!!

http://news.yahoo.com/ala-loses-workers-immigration-law-takes-effect-222404123.html

I would like apologize to all the people who I called xenophobic and racist for wanting to chase out every brown person in the US. I didn't realize you were actually fighting to ensure jobs will go back to Americans!!

Great work guys!!

Now, with all the illegal AND legal migrant workers leaving states like Alabama, it is ensured every unemployed American can obtain work!! Well, for the short run anyway,...



,.... we'll worry about that later.

I mean, the important thing is that you shoo'ed away all non-Americans (you got what you wished for) and now Americans can find some work!!

Mission Accomplished Gents - keep up the good work!
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you post in sarcasm because you think you're better than picking tomatoes in a field, you're the bigot xenophobe because you think you're better than these "brown people" who see no problem whatsoever picking these tomatoes and earning a living. maybe not the best living, but you know what? it's better than NOT HAVING A FUCKING JOB.

So fuck your post Macamus you piece of shit. You want a job? There it is, go fucking work it. Until then, shut the fuck up and stop bitching. There is work just some of you assholes are just giant lazy pieces of shit who think the world owes them.

Also, I do not support a living wage. If I want to work for less money than you, I should absolutely have the fucking right too even if that amount is less than the "living wage". Use taxation and social services to elevate the bottom, keep the wages free flowing.
 
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Jaskalas said:
Awww gee, let's all feel sorry for the smuck who isn't inviting Americans to take that job by offering... what do liberals call it? A living wage!

Does this mean you support his refusal to give workers American quality wages?
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Then food prices would double and not compete with imports forcing the US to raise tariffs and everyone would be starving and whining about food prices. Sounds good!
 
Capt Caveman said:
Then food prices would double and not compete with imports forcing the US to raise tariffs and everyone would be starving and whining about food prices. Sounds good!
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Wah. So instead of facing a problem head on, lets just put bandaids on it, blinders over our eyes and just ignore it. Do you guys even listen to yourselves? Life can't be a little tough every now and then? Going to cry every time you lose a dollar? Seriously a nation of babies.
 
Jaskalas said:
Awww gee, let's all feel sorry for the smuck who isn't inviting Americans to take that job by offering... what do liberals call it? A living wage!

Does this mean you support his refusal to give workers American quality wages?
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Exactly. Maybe the market wage for picking tomatoes is $20/hour rather than $10/hour. If so, tomatoes need to be priced higher. I've spent a couple summers picking tomatoes, and while it's hard work, it's work that almost any healthy worker can do. And it builds character and reduces fat. There are no jobs Americans won't do, there are only jobs Americans won't do for the price offered.

Cheaper imported food is something that is easily combated by mandating 100% inspection on all imported food and food components. Since food is largely market priced, this cost would come mostly out of the importer's cut too (although anything adding cost raising the consumer's cost to some degree.)
 
Macamus Prime said:
I agree with protecting American jobs. I agree with a living wage.
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I think we disagree on how to go about that though. I suspect you see the power of the federal government and are enticed into using it to make the wage a national law.

I'm proud that Americans won't take these jobs with low wages. I think free market principles can work to resolve the difference in wages. We don't have to force something to happen that'll occur naturally on its own, we just have to protect the conditions that encourage employers to comply with our expectations.

Laws regarding immigration and foreign trade are precisely the sort of thing our federal government is intended for.
 
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Capt Caveman said:
Then food prices would double and not compete with imports forcing the US to raise tariffs and everyone would be starving and whining about food prices. Sounds good!
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Golly gee, then Americans would demand even higher wages to pay for that food. It requires some fluctuation to factor in the price, but food does not require slave labor.
 
There are plenty of jobs picking crop.
There are also plenty of jobs in the military.

The hippies on Wall Street who are bitching about lack of jobs really don't want a job or they would be at work right now.
 
Macamus Prime said:
Here is a great opportunity!!

http://news.yahoo.com/ala-loses-workers-immigration-law-takes-effect-222404123.html

I would like apologize to all the people who I called xenophobic and racist for wanting to chase out every brown person in the US. I didn't realize you were actually fighting to ensure jobs will go back to Americans!!

Great work guys!!

Now, with all the illegal AND legal migrant workers leaving states like Alabama, it is ensured every unemployed American can obtain work!! Well, for the short run anyway,...



,.... we'll worry about that later.

I mean, the important thing is that you shoo'ed away all non-Americans (you got what you wished for) and now Americans can find some work!!

Mission Accomplished Gents - keep up the good work!
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Do this around the country and agribusiness will have to pay market wage to their workers. Price of tomatoes will go up, market returns to equilibrium and tomato farmers will stop passing off some of their costs onto us via schools, health care etc.

The issue of "living wage" is resolved in a marked fashion also - if you have a proper safety net for people in poverty (TANF does a good job from all the evaluation papers i've read), you will not find people eligible for said program if you pay shit wage. Not sure how federally mandated would be better than a local free market allocation - you're talking very broad brush for vey local issue (Cost of living and so fort).
 
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werepossum said:
exactly. Maybe the market wage for picking tomatoes is $20/hour rather than $10/hour. If so, tomatoes need to be priced higher. I've spent a couple summers picking tomatoes, and while it's hard work, it's work that almost any healthy worker can do. And it builds character and reduces fat. There are no jobs americans won't do, there are only jobs americans won't do for the price offered.

Cheaper imported food is something that is easily combated by mandating 100% inspection on all imported food and food components. Since food is largely market priced, this cost would come mostly out of the importer's cut too (although anything adding cost raising the consumer's cost to some degree.)
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bingo
 
Jaskalas said:
I think we disagree on how to go about that though. I suspect you see the power of the federal government and are enticed into using it to make the wage a national law.

I'm proud that Americans won't take these jobs with low wages. I think free market principles can work to resolve the difference in wages. We don't have to force something to happen that'll occur naturally on its own, we just have to protect the conditions that encourage employers to comply with our expectations.

Laws regarding immigration and foreign trade are precisely the sort of thing our federal government is intended for.
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Exactly. One big thing about the left is its insistence on so many things that drive down wages, then they want to use government as a hammer to defeat the natural results of their actions into the result they'd like to have. Though in some ways the right is even worse, tending to insist on its own factors driving down wages and then insisting that those at the bottom should just be happy with their shitty opportunities and low wages.

Government's job should be to craft the best environment for opportunity, to reward hard work and informed risk taking and innovation, and then to rigorously enforce the rules on everyone equally.
 
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