Originally posted by: Gaard
From Harvey's link...
Yesss! I finally have a reason to hold my head up and tell people where I live.
It's funny you bring that up, the first time I heard about fluoridation was when I was talking to someone from Michigan many years ago, he was the only person I ever met who hadn't ever had a cavity that wasn't the kid of a dentist.
It helps to be taught good brushing habits as a kid.Originally posted by: rahvin
Originally posted by: Gaard
From Harvey's link...
Yesss! I finally have a reason to hold my head up and tell people where I live.
It's funny you bring that up, the first time I heard about fluoridation was when I was talking to someone from Michigan many years ago, he was the only person I ever met who hadn't ever had a cavity that wasn't the kid of a dentist.
<---- mouth full of fillings.
I had good brushing habits as a kid and ended up with multiple fillings in almost all my molars. Fluoridation is there to prevent that, it's an amazingly effective public health measure.
Moonie's playing with you folk. Fluorine, Chlorine, Iodine (the elements in the same column on the periodic table) are not stable enough to exist on their own. They must attach themsleves to something and these elements prefer the soft metals (Sodium, Lithium, Potassium). These elements would react violently if not attached to something else.
:beer:
I know someone who never uses fluoride. Suffice it to say he visits the dentist a lot.
I want to know exactly how much fluoride creates a substantial risk and how much fluroide is in a smudge of toothpaste and how much stays in your mouth if you rinse out. For now I'll keep using fluoride .
I want to know exactly how much fluoride creates a substantial risk and how much fluroide is in a smudge of toothpaste and how much stays in your mouth if you rinse out. For now I'll keep using fluoride .
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Originally posted by: fiasco
I am suprised no one mentioned Dr. Strangelove...... I guess all posters are youngins....
Good Movie
there are lots of thigns in our lives that aren't healthy, flouride is just one of them. It warns you on tothpaste not to swllow more a pea size amount of whatever. You can't panic about every little thing.
I remember reading in the LA times (i don't remember the exact percentage) that you are X-times more likely to get cancer from peanut butter than win the jack pot playing lotto.
everything has something
I remember reading in the LA times (i don't remember the exact percentage) that you are X-times more likely to get cancer from peanut butter than win the jack pot playing lotto.
everything has something
Simmer down now everyone. Fact is... If you drink too much PURE H2O you can die. Most things (not all) that exist in this world are toxic to a degree. You body doesn't build up levels of Fluoride to toxic levels. It's an in and out chemical. For the person that said there is a monopoly. That is actually not true anylonger. You can drink bottled water instead of from the tap.
I also find it very funny how people choose fluoride to pick on when most every meat has steroids that are passed on. When the air you breath has smoke from cigarettes (and tons of other pollutants). When some of the land you walk on has tons of asbestos buried 50 ft beneath it. When the waterways around some of the most populous cities have measurable levels of prescription drugs in it (from antibiotics to painkillers). If you are going to fight something like this, use your energy trying to get rid of something that is actually harmful to you.
Big difference:
Chlorination and other sanitation methods are used to kill organisms in the water that would make you ill. The organisms are present in the water, therefore the treatment is necessary.
OTOH, flouridation has nothing to do with the water, specifically. The water is just a carrier for a medicine to treat a non-water related ailment, tooth decay.
Why does our water have to be a carrier for medicine? If I have a headache, I take an Excedrin, I don't expect that my water should contain pain killers. If you make the argument that sodium flouride is a "nutrient", why not add vitamin D to the water? Recent studies have shown that many people are deficient in vitamin D. You think flouride has helped you? Take your own flouride supplements.
On another note, I have noticed many "conservatives" supporting this public health measure. I thought you guys typically preferred prayer to public health. Well, guys, leave my teeth to Jesus!
I think it was added to the water a while ago when tooth decay among youth had become a national crisis type of thing. You know, for the children. As to vitamin D, that's why it is added to milk.
That's a poor argument for several reasons:
1. Water fluoridation has been proven to be both safe and effective, but it requires long time exposure of a small amount of the fluoride agent.
2. Tooth decay IS a public health issue, especially for children, and especially for the poor. Untreated tooth decay leads directly to tooth loss and further infection of the gums. It is an effective preventive measure which is always preferred over trying to repair disease caused damage, after the fact.
Bottom line, fluoridation is safe, effective and inexpensive, and it saves public funds that would otherwise spent on medical expenses and improves the quality of life.
None of what you mentioned is relevant to my argument. There's no reason why you can't take a flouride pill every day if you want long term exposure. I take a multi-vitamin every day. Same idea.
Many things are public health issues, like vaccinations and STDs. But for both those things, you go to a doctor and get appropriate treatment. Why is it ok for a water company, with no medical or dental credentials, to medicate me? And if the poor need flouride, they can go to the public health clinic. Poor kids can get vaccines free of charge based on need at the clinic.
And this little anecdote always amuses me. My father and his brothers all have missing teeth and had many cavities. They grew up drinking flouridated Chicago tap water, had regular dental trips, and brushed with flouridated toothpaste. My father in-law and his daughters grew up drinking nonflouridated well water, never went to the dentist and brush with nonflouridated toothpaste. They have all their teeth and they're bright and white. Not scientific, but its funny that the ultra-flouridated people have horrible teeth and the non-flouridated people have perfect teeth.
On a side note, I hate dentists. I stopped going because everytime I went in, you could see the f*cking $$$ in their eyes because I still have my wisdom teeth.
flouride needs to be put right on the teeth - hence flouride treatment at the dentist is done this way
since a lot of people don't get their kids proper dental care (maybe b/c they have an attitude towards dentists like you have) this is important.
your example is horrible - it would be like saying I knew someone that died of lung cancer who didn't smoke and my great grandma lived to be close to 100 and smoked like a chimney - those medical studies on smoking must be wrong! the ADA has researched this and flouride helps protect your teeth - it's not some foolproof method but it helps.
wisdom teeth extraction isn't a huge job as far as I know (I'll check this out later) - dentists stand to make a lot more money on you later for non-prevantative work which you may need.
I was wondering when someone was going to bring this up. So why put it in water if it has to be applied directly to the teeth?
There is one town in Michigan that still has a private non flouridated water system. The instances of tooth decay are more than 25% greater than anywhere else in the State. Pretty conclusive evidence if you ask me. Not to mention, there are also plenty of other chemicals in modern water - should probably worry about them first.
However, if you don't like it, just buy spring water and bottled water.
However, if you don't like it, just buy spring water and bottled water.
Actually, a whole-house water filter that will filter flouride is on the list to buy with my 2005 tax return. If I get cavities, it will be the result of bad genetics. My dad has had flouride treatments and all the ADA BS all his life and still lost teeth and had cavaties.
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I'm in my fifties and this was a hot topic when I was in grade school among the John Birch society types (think right wing aluminum foil hat characters). Simple fact-both my wife and I grew up in (seperate) suburbs with fluoridated water. Our kids mostly drank well water (no flouride) as they grew up, and despite having flouride in their toothpaste, our kids had far more cavities than we ever did.
Look at the demand for dentists today-it's far less than it used to me.
There's a lot of other legit concerns to worry about in this world than a silly fluoride conspirarcy.
Look at the demand for dentists today-it's far less than it used to me.
There's a lot of other legit concerns to worry about in this world than a silly fluoride conspirarcy.
So how do you swallow water without it touching your teeth? Sounds like some yoga like oral move. I do have a good question though, if you are so ignorant of fluoride, how it works and what it does why do you oppose it? Fear of the unknown?
When I was a kid, I used to get those flouride treatments at the dentist. I used to have to sit in the chair with that nasty concentrated flouride gel for 5 or 10 minutes, then I couldn't wash my mouth out for 30 minutes. Do you hold water in your mouth for extended periods of time to get the "full effect" of the flouride? Doubtful.
Regarding my supposed ignorance: I heard all the ADA evidence and heard all the lectures at school about the magic of flouride. I just don't buy it and I think its insane that a population, as a whole, should be medicated with out each individual consulting a medical professional.
Most of Europe and Japan is unflouridated: Text
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