Fluoride is a poison

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Wow, once again the conspiracy-theory police are in town. It clearly states on any tooth paste tube that you shouldn't swallow it. Oh well, you're going to go on some random tirade spouting pseudo-science to support your ridiculous positions regardless of what anyone says, so go right ahead.

indeed - I could believe some conspiracy theory website or my brother who is a dentist - what does he know? obviously nothing since it's his profession and area of study.

I am shocked that anyone still buys into this..............

get this - the WELL water at my parents house NATURALLY has a good deal of flouride in it - enough that I didn't need to get any flouridation treatment when I was a kid. Someone save my bodily fluids!!! aarrrrggggg!!!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Newsflash: You could die from drinking too much water alone! OMGNOES!!1 Time to ban waterz...

Well said. Everything in moderation, even moderation

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Newsflash: You could die from drinking too much water alone! OMGNOES!!1 Time to ban waterz...

Well said. Everything in moderation, even moderation

Yes, I only kill people in moderation.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Newsflash: You could die from drinking too much water alone! OMGNOES!!1 Time to ban waterz...

Well said. Everything in moderation, even moderation

Yes, I only kill people in moderation.

You should stop that, it is a naughty habit. But so are gross generalizations eh?

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Water is always a monopoly. I can't choose between competing water companies for my tap water.

Still, my question remains: Why should the water company force medication (flouride TREATS weak teeth) on a populace?

You can start your own water company. If you think you can get the water clean without adding carcinogens, feel free to do so. I'll give you a little hint though: it's not as easy as it sounds, or water companies would already be doing it. Adding all these things costs them money, so I can assure you they wouldn't do it if it wasn't necessary.

Fluoride is a preventative treatment, not a curing treatment. If you are dosed with fluoride, it will help prevent cavities and such. This all comes from how it was discovered - one community (I believe Florence, hence the name) had fluoride in abundance in their natural water. The people there all had perfect, green teeth.

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
The rightwing is obviously desperate, resurrecting conspiracy crap from the McCarthy era... back then, it was a commie conspiracy to sap our strength by polluting our precious bodily fluids...

Iodine is a poison, too, adding it to salt is clearly a conspiracy...

Even marijuana will kill you, if you get hit by a bale of it tossed out of an airplane, or trapped in a burning warehouse full of it...

"Full of it" pretty well describes the topic at hand, too...

Yes, the rightwing is really reaching here... I'm pretty sure people have gone well across partisan lines to disagree with the OP, and the ones typically supporting him are leftists. So much for that theory.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Canada fluoridates it's water too, at least in many places.

It's a leading cause of people over the age of 50 still having all of their teeth.

 

[chrisms]

General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

Holy cow, Moonbeam, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

Holy cow, Moonbeam, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

That's right, Mooner, and you don't have to be ignorant yourslef to suffer from it.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

Holy cow, Moonbeam, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

That's right, Mooner, and you don't have to be ignorant yourslef to suffer from it.

If you've ever seen a hydrofluoric acid burn, you'd never brush your teeth again if I'm reading your logic correctly. Give me a break.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: RobCur
Since it is only fatal at high dosage, no one is going to notice but its effect on our health and mental being is disasterous.

So is carbon dioxide. Bet you didn't know about the evil soda pop and champaign conspiracy. :shocked: :roll:

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Canada fluoridates it's water too, at least in many places.

It's a leading cause of people over the age of 50 still having all of their teeth.

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

There's a great difference in HF (H+ + H-) and other substances with F-.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
Water is always a monopoly. I can't choose between competing water companies for my tap water.

Still, my question remains: Why should the water company force medication (flouride TREATS weak teeth) on a populace?

Sink a well or buy bottled water, they are choices that you don't like but they are still choices. In my jurisdiction Flouridation came up for a vote and won, by a substantial margin because I live in a community where everyone reserves their idiocy for their religious beliefs and is otherwise very sensible.

I will answer your question on why the local water company should flouridate when you tell me why they should chlorniate.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: RobCur
A toxic chemical waste products that are put into our drinking water, tooth paste and numberous other products.
Since it is only fatal at high dosage, no one is going to notice but its effect on our health and mental being is disasterous.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/

Drinking too much water can kill you too.

 

[nageov3t]

anyone else read the title as "Florida is a poison"...

and agree?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: biostud

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

There's a great difference in HF (H+ + H-) and other substances with F-.

But there's no difference in the fluorine. U gotta get up real early to fool old Moonbeam.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Relax everyone. Of course it's a problem in high doses, but in lower concentrations it does prevent tooth decay by making the tooth matrix more resistant to bacterial attack. A great many things are toxic in high amounts, but harmless otherwise.

Everything is toxic to humans in high does.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
If you've ever seen what fluorine can do to glass you wouldn't want it on your teeth. And when the stuff leaches our of the reservoirs into the atmosphere in high consentrations it's gonna frost all our asses. And just wait till fluorine rain starts falling on the forests and running into the sea to meet the plankton. You have no idea, but then today, who knows anything about science?

Holy cow, Moonbeam, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

That's right, Mooner, and you don't have to be ignorant yourslef to suffer from it.

If you've ever seen a hydrofluoric acid burn, you'd never brush your teeth again if I'm reading your logic correctly. Give me a break.

Whatchu mean, give U a break? Huh?

 

[Gaard]

So is Fluoride added to our water as some sort of cleansing agent to make it safer to drink, or is it added strictly to 'benefit' us? Also, is there some kind of government regulation dealing with this? Obviously if there are regulations, they aren't federal (if the 'Oregon' posts are correct), so it's more of a local decision, right? Also, I wonder if there have been any 'dental' studies comparing Oregon to the rest of the nation on the pros and cons of this.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Gaard
So is Fluoride added to our water as some sort of cleansing agent to make it safer to drink, or is it added strictly to 'benefit' us? Also, is there some kind of government regulation dealing with this? Obviously if there are regulations, they aren't federal (if the 'Oregon' posts are correct), so it's more of a local decision, right? Also, I wonder if there have been any 'dental' studies comparing Oregon to the rest of the nation on the pros and cons of this.

Chlorination is added as a public health measure to prevent disease. Many other chemicals are also added to facilitate this end and even to make the water smell better or taste better. Fluoride is added as a public health measure to prevent teeth decay, which is also a disease.

So if the government is adding chemicals to water to prevent disease why do you insist one is different than the other?

http://fluoride.oralhealth.org/papers/1999/quickfactsflendorse.html

http://fluoride.oralhealth.org/links.asp?pg=13&sc=147

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Gaard
So is Fluoride added to our water as some sort of cleansing agent to make it safer to drink, or is it added strictly to 'benefit' us?

Fluoridation has been shown to result in a significant reduction in tooth decay. From the American Dental Association

For over five decades, the American Dental Association has continuously endorsed the fluoridation of community water supplies and the use of fluoride-containing products as safe and effective measures for preventing tooth decay. Fluoride and Fluoridation contains resources that provide important facts and answer a myriad of questions. New information and resources will be added to this area as they become available. In the following sections, you will find the latest information about fluoride and fluoridation.
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[Gaard]

Originally posted by: rahvin
So if the government is adding chemicals to water to prevent disease why do you insist one is different than the other?

Huh? I just asked a few questions.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: rahvin
So if the government is adding chemicals to water to prevent disease why do you insist one is different than the other?

Huh? I just asked a few questions.

Well that will teach you!

The following is a list of chemicals used in water treatment. It's extensive and I don't see people getting mad about them but they think Fluoridation is some conspiracy by the government.

Acetic Acid
Aluminum Chloride
Aluminum Chlorohydrate
Aluminum Chlorohydrate/Polyaluminum Chloride
Aluminum Sodium Sulfate
Aluminum Sulfate
Ammonia, Anhydrous
Ammonium Hydroxide
Ammonium Sulfate
Ascorbic Acid
Bentonite
Blended Coagulation Chemicals
Blended Corrosion Inhibitor
Blended Phosphates
Bromochlorodimethylhydantoin
Calcium Carbonate
Calcium Chloride
Calcium Hydroxide
Calcium Hypochlorite
Calcium Oxide
Carbon Dioxide
Chlorine
Chlorine Dioxide, Liquid
Citric Acid
Copper Sulfate
Dipotassium Orthophosphate
Disodium Orthophosphate
Ferric Chloride
Ferric Sulfate
Ferrous Chloride
Ferrous Sulfate
Fluorosilicic Acid
Fluosilicic Acid
Hydrochloric Acid
Hydrofluosilicic Acid
Hydrogen Peroxide
Hydroxyethylidene Diphosphonic Acid
Hypochlorous Acid
Magnesium Hydroxide
Magnesium Oxide
Miscellaneous Chemical Products
Miscellaneous Corrosion Chemicals
Miscellaneous Treatment Applications
Miscellaneous Treatment Chemical
Miscellaneous Water Supply Products
Monopotassium Orthophosphate
Monosodium Orthophosphate
Oxygen
Phosphoric Acid
Poly (Diallyldimethylammonium Chloride)(pDADMAC)
Polyacrylamide
Polyacrylic Acid
Polyaluminum Chloride
Polyaluminum Chlorosulfate
Polyaluminum Silicate Sulfate
Polyamines
Polymaleic Acid
Polymer Blends
Polyphosphoric Acid
Potassium Carbonate
Potassium Chloride
Potassium Hydroxide
Potassium Permanganate
Potassium Tripolyphosphate
Silica Dioxide
Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate
Sodium Aluminate
Sodium Ascorbate
Sodium Bicarbonate
Sodium Bisulfate
Sodium Bisulfite
Sodium Carbonate
Sodium Chlorate
Sodium Chloride
Sodium Chlorite
Sodium Dichloroisocyanurate
Sodium Fluoride
Sodium Hydroxide
Sodium Hypochlorite
Sodium Metabisulfite
Sodium Percarbonate
Sodium Permanganate
Sodium Polyacrylate
Sodium Polyphosphates, Glassy
Sodium Sesquicarbonate
Sodium Silicate
Sodium Silicofluoride
Sodium Sulfite
Sodium Trimetaphosphate
Sodium Tripolyphosphate
Stannous Chloride
Starch
Sulfur Dioxide
Sulfuric Acid
Tetrapotassium Pyrophosphate
Tetrasodium Pyrophosphate
Titanium Dioxide
Tricalcium Orthophosphate
Trichloroisocyanuric Acid
Tripotassium Orthophosphate
Trisodium Orthophosphate
Zinc Chloride
Zinc Orthophosphate
Zinc Sulfate

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Fluoridation has been shown to result in a significant reduction in tooth decay. From the American Dental Association

For over five decades, the American Dental Association has continuously endorsed the fluoridation of community water supplies and the use of fluoride-containing products as safe and effective measures for preventing tooth decay. Fluoride and Fluoridation contains resources that provide important facts and answer a myriad of questions. New information and resources will be added to this area as they become available. In the following sections, you will find the latest information about fluoride and fluoridation.
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With the ADA giving the thumbs up to flourine added to our drinking water, I wonder why Oregon refuses to do it.

From Harvey's link...

On January 25, 1945 at 4pm, Grand Rapids, Michigan became a pioneer in public health when it became the first city in the world to fluoridate its drinking water to levels optimal for preventing tooth decay.

Yesss! I finally have a reason to hold my head up and tell people where I live.