Flu shot: check.

[SunnyD]

The 'flu' is an infection by the influenza virus. The shot vaccine does not cause this. It's really pretty simple. It can cause some symptoms, but symptoms aren't the disease.

The symptoms are what people bitch about.

 

[Gibsons]

The symptoms are what people bitch about.

Yes, and...?

 

[FoBoT]

i am more worried about zombies than flu

 

[Texashiker]

The 'flu' is an infection by the influenza virus. The shot vaccine does not cause this.

The Intranasal Influenza Vaccine is a live (but weakened) flu virus.

I need to review, but I think people with weakened immune systems are not supposed to take the Intranasal Vaccine because they can develop the flu?

 

[spidey07]

i am more worried about zombies than flu

There's a vaccine/shot for that as well.

 

[SunnyD]

Yes, and...?

Really? You couldn't make that cognitive leap based on your own post, let alone mine?

No wonder it feels like my IQ goes down 100 points every time I log in here.

 

[Gibsons]

The Intranasal Influenza Vaccine is a live (but weakened) flu virus.

I need to review, but I think people with weakened immune systems are not supposed to take the Intranasal Vaccine because they can develop the flu?

That's why I specified the shot vaccine. The nasally administered vaccine is an attenuated vaccine. People who are immune compromised shouldn't take any attenuated vaccine.

 

[Fausto]

AR-15 - next to bed

Bug Out Bag - in spare bedroom

Yes, of course. I was kidding, but thanks for the giggle.

Depending on how genetically similar the viruses are, exposure to one virus could give resistance to other types of viruses.

Evidence:

Studies suggest that the small pox vaccine could give protection against HIV

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/18/AR2010051805152.html

How does small pox and HIV even relate to each other? But studies suggest that they are related in some manner.

Exposure via vaccines. And you are seriously going to hang your hat on ONE preliminary study? Really?

As with the sciencedaily article I posted above, people exposed to the spanish flu 60+ years ago still had an aggressive immune system towards the flu. No vaccine can do that, it only comes through exposure.

Right, polio boosters and all that. Get mine every year.

As for living in BFE Texas and talking about vaccines, part of my full time job is working is diseases - on the paper work side, not face-to-face. I handle the paper work, call the people, talk with them over the phone, collect information for the Texas Department of State Health services and the CDC.

I see lab reports on a regular basis on people who were exposed to measles or mumps 20, 30, or even 40+ years ago and still have the anti-bodies in their blood.

So instead of giving kids the MMR vaccine, we should just let nature take its course? I almost feel like you're being willfully ignorant here.

I also talk to parents whos kids have had the chicken pox vaccines, and their kids still caught chicken pox. I dealt with a chicken pox case yesterday in fact.

How many would you deal with were there no vaccine? How many adults are currently incapacitated by shingles?

We are about to enter the active viral season. This means I will be talking to people who catch the flu. And yes, I talk to people all the time that caught the flu and had their flu shot.

Again, not a magic bullet. Improves odds. Replying to all your blather is giving me a headache.

Some diseases should be vaccinated against, especially hepatitis. But the flu? Sure, if you meet certain conditions. I am a healthy male, who does not work directly with the public, and I have no small children at home.

You were just bitching about your grandkids....who had their mitts all over everything in your house.

 

[Gibsons]

Really? You couldn't make that cognitive leap based on your own post, let alone mine?

No wonder it feels like my IQ goes down 100 points every time I log in here.

Some similarity of symptoms does not equal the disease. That's why everyone is saying "the shot doesn't give you the flu." You seem to have an issue with that. It can cause some of the same symptoms.

Keep in mind, even in people with severe reactions, they don't have all the symptoms, nor all the risks, of the real disease.

 

[Fausto]

Some similarity of symptoms does not equal the disease. That's why everyone is saying "the shot doesn't give you the flu." You seem to have an issue with that. It can cause some of the same symptoms.

Keep in mind, even in people with severe reactions, they don't have all the symptoms, nor all the risks, of the real disease.

Your big word for the day: cytokines.

 

[Elganja]

never have and never will

 

[SunnyD]

Some similarity of symptoms does not equal the disease. That's why everyone is saying "the shot doesn't give you the flu." You seem to have an issue with that. It can cause some of the same symptoms.

Keep in mind, even in people with severe reactions, they don't have all the symptoms, nor all the risks, of the real disease.

Again... you apparently didn't make the cognitive leap. I was making the very point you made, just in a not-so-subtle sarcastic manner.

It should also be noted this is the very same reason that people say "The shot DOES give me the flu."

 

[airdata]

Cool.

Let us know if you get the flu. I'm not going to get a flu shot and I'll let you know if I get the flu.

We'll see who gets the flu.

 

[sourceninja]

Anyone ever find a study that shows how often they pick the correct strain of flu for flu shots?

 

[Fausto]

Anyone ever find a study that shows how often they pick the correct strain of flu for flu shots?

It's an educated guess and it's "strains" not "strain".

 

[sourceninja]

It's an educated guess and it's "strains" not "strain".

Obviously doing actual research on something so useful, what they prepared for vs what actually infected the population would be a waste of time.

 

[Texashiker]

So instead of giving kids the MMR vaccine, we should just let nature take its course? I almost feel like you're being willfully ignorant here.

My children have been fully vaccinated.

How many would you deal with were there no vaccine?

That is a topic for another thread. Disease surveillance reports say that childhood diseases were on the decline in the 1970s and leveled off by the time most vaccines arrived on the market.

If you go back to the 1980s and 1990s, most of the cases of polio were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

How many adults are currently incapacitated by shingles?

You are going to single out 1 disease when we have stuff like strokes, diabetes, cancer, heart disease,,,,?

If the government wants to push vaccines for something like shingles, lets pass laws requiring healthier food and outlaw smoking. I am pretty sure lung cancer causes more problems then shingles.

 

[Gibsons]

Again... you apparently didn't make the cognitive leap. I was making the very point you made, just in a not-so-subtle sarcastic manner.

It should also be noted this is the very same reason that people say "The shot DOES give me the flu."

I know the cognitive 'leap' you speak of. I just refuse to recognize it as being correct. Because it isn't.

 

[Gibsons]

Anyone ever find a study that shows how often they pick the correct strain of flu for flu shots?

Going by the last dozen or so years, it's about 80%.

Two major caveats:

Small sample size. Maybe it's 'really' higher or lower.

The way strains are chosen today isn't how they were chosen 5 or 6 years ago. The method of choosing strains should be much better now. We'll see, but remember caveat number 1 - if the next 5 years are a hit, it's still mostly consistent with an 80% hit rate.

 

[Fausto]

Obviously doing actual research on something so useful, what they prepared for vs what actually infected the population would be a waste of time.

I assure you the epi people agonize over this. I didn't mean to imply otherwise with my choice of words.

 

[ichy]

People exposed to the spanish flu in 1918 still had aggresive antibodies in their blood 60+ years later.

The ones who didn't die.

 

[ShawnD1]

Anyone ever find a study that shows how often they pick the correct strain of flu for flu shots?

Even if they pick the wrong ones, having immunity to more strains is still good for you. I think it was texashiker's link that said older people were more immune to bird flu because they already have immunity to so many other types of flu. Spanish Flu was another one that mostly affected young people. Older people who had seen other flu strains come and go were mostly untouched by it.

 

[SunnyD]

I know the cognitive 'leap' you speak of. I just refuse to recognize it as being correct. Because it isn't.

Who said anything about correctness? Just look at this fucking thread! lol

 

[Fausto]

My children have been fully vaccinated.

So wtf is your point?

That is a topic for another thread. Disease surveillance reports say that childhood diseases were on the decline in the 1970s and leveled off by the time most vaccines arrived on the market.

If you go back to the 1980s and 1990s, most of the cases of polio were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

It is perfectly relevant to the thread. You are splitting hairs regarding the efficacy of vaccines, and I'm pointing out what happens when they don't exist or are ignored.

You are going to single out 1 disease when we have stuff like strokes, diabetes, cancer, heart disease,,,,?

If the government wants to push vaccines for something like shingles, lets pass laws requiring healthier food and outlaw smoking. I am pretty sure lung cancer causes more problems then shingles.

Google the link between chickenpox and shingles and get back to me.

 

[Texashiker]

The ones who didn't die.

Survival of the fittest and natural selection - something our modern society does not understand.

So wtf is your point?

You made a comment about my kids not being vaccinated, I just wanted to set that point straight,