Flu shot: check.

[Capt Caveman]

No, having the flu does not suck, it helps you build a healthy immune system.

There was a study done that said older people who were exposed to flu years ago have resistance to the swine flu.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/story?id=7647943&page=1




I would rather catch the flu when I am young and healthy, and have some kind of natural resistance, then rely solely on a flu shot when I get into my 60s and 70s.

Taking the vaccine will actually expose one to more strains of the flu, making you more resistant than being ignorant.

You need to read and comprehend what you post:

This has led to speculation that older individuals have at least some degree of pre-existing immunity to swine flu, possibly from years of immunization with seasonal flu vaccines, which contain different H1N1 viruses than the current outbreak strain, or previous infection.

 

[SunnyD]

Fucking vaccines, how do they work?

There's a difference between live virus and vaccines in terms of immune response and longevity of such antibodies thanks.

But that still doesn't change the main fact: I would too fuck Jenny McCarthy.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Ignorant that I want to have a healthy immune system with natural antibodies when I reach my 60s and 70s?

I suggest you read this article

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080817223642.htm

People exposed to the spanish flu in 1918 still had aggresive antibodies in their blood 60+ years later.

No vaccine is going to give you 60+ years of protection.

LOL!!!! No the vaccine will give you more protection. Do you understand what a vaccine is and does? And that it builds one immunity system up against that strain of flu?

 

[Fausto]

Ignorant that I want to have a healthy immune system with natural antibodies when I reach my 60s and 70s?

I suggest you read this article

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080817223642.htm

People exposed to the spanish flu in 1918 still had aggresive antibodies in their blood 60+ years later.

No vaccine is going to give you 60+ years of protection.

Which is why I get my polio booster every year. :hmm:

 

[Fausto]

There's a difference between live virus and vaccines in terms of immune response and longevity of such antibodies thanks.

But that still doesn't change the main fact: I would too fuck Jenny McCarthy.

I would look into a herpes vaccine before I went down that well-traveled avenue.

 

[SunnyD]

I would look into a herpes vaccine before I went down that well-traveled avenue.

Okay, I'll give you that one.

 

[vi edit]

How do I know if what I have the flu or just a regular cold?

Colds are usually just annoying...sniffles, coughs, congestion.

When I had influenza "a" I was a lifeless lump for about 5 days. Each night i woke up drenched in sweat after breaking a fever. I was so exhausted that even getting out of bed was a chore. Body felt like somebody had hit me with a sledge hammer in my sleep. It sucked.

 

[Fausto]

Colds are usually just annoying...sniffles, coughs, congestion.

When I had influenza "a" I was a lifeless lump for about 5 days. Each night i woke up drenched in sweat after breaking a fever. I was so exhausted that even getting out of bed was a chore. Body felt like somebody had hit me with a sledge hammer in my sleep. It sucked.

It was worth it though, right? Your immune system is like the Terminator now!

 

[Texashiker]

Do you understand what a vaccine is and does? And that it builds one immunity system up against that strain of flu?

The flu vaccine on last for a few months, maybe a year at the most.

http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_inf.asp

How long does immunity from influenza vaccine last?

Protection from influenza vaccine is thought to persist for a year or less because of waning antibody and because of changes in the circulating influenza virus from year to year.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Ignorant that I want to have a healthy immune system with natural antibodies when I reach my 60s and 70s?

I suggest you read this article

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/08/080817223642.htm

People exposed to the spanish flu in 1918 still had aggresive antibodies in their blood 60+ years later.

No vaccine is going to give you 60+ years of protection.




Vaccines do not give you lifelong protection like exposure does. Read the above link from sciencedaily.

From your article:

The influenza pandemic of 1918 killed nearly 50 million people worldwide, many of whom were young, healthy adults. With fears of another looming flu pandemic stoked by the emergence of "bird flu" in Asia, researchers have wanted to study the 1918 virus and the immune response to it.

To test if these antibodies still work against 1918 flu in a living animal, Crowe's collaborators at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention infected mice with the 1918 flu and then administered the antibodies at varying doses. Mice receiving the lowest dose of 1918 antibody – and those receiving a non-reactive "control" antibody – died. All mice given the highest doses of 1918 antibodies survived.

So, basically healthy, young adults died from this Flu but if they were given a vaccine they wouldn't have. Ok.

Feel free to take the chance but being around many people everyday(young and old), I'd rather not take the chance.

 

[SunnyD]

Colds are usually just annoying...sniffles, coughs, congestion.

When I had influenza "a" I was a lifeless lump for about 5 days. Each night i woke up drenched in sweat after breaking a fever. I was so exhausted that even getting out of bed was a chore. Body felt like somebody had hit me with a sledge hammer in my sleep. It sucked.

Ironically, those are the exact same symptoms I get with strep. With the one minor difference of also having the feeling of swallowing molten crushed glass.

fwiw, CDC states fever may NOT be indicated for some individuals who have the flu.

 

[vi edit]

Ironically, those are the exact same symptoms I get with strep. With the one minor difference of also having the feeling of swallowing molten crushed glass.

Had plenty of bouts with strep. Never had a fever or muscle soreness with them. Just extreme fatigue and the afore mentioned throat full of bottle caps and crushed glass.

 

[KeithTalent]

Enjoy your artificial immune system, it will fail you when you need it the most.

Idiot.

KT

 

[Fausto]

The flu vaccine on last for a few months, maybe a year at the most.

http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_inf.asp

Again, I will bold the relevant part for you.

because of changes in the circulating influenza virus from year to year.

Honestly, I don't think you really even have a firm grasp on contraception, and you're going to sit here and attempt to argue immunology with us?

 

[Texashiker]

So, basically healthy, young adults died from this Flu but if they were given a vaccine they wouldn't have. Ok.

You make it sound like we will "always" have a vaccine for whatever comes around. Well, we do not always have a vaccine for everything.

There was an article posted maybe a year ago that talked about the swine flu and the seasonal flu have similar genetics. And that if you had caught seasonal flu, you could have resistance to swine flue. I have been unable to find that article, the closest I could find was the abc.go.com article.

With our modern forms of transportation, a new disease could span the world in a matter of days. I would rather have some kind of natural resistance from previous exposure, then to have nothing.

Feel free to take the chance but being around many people everyday(young and old), I'd rather not take the chance.

I would rather catch the flu and have lifelong natural resistance (though it may be limited resistance), then to rely solely on a flu shot later in life.

Honestly, I don't think you really even have a firm grasp on contraception, and you're going to sit here and attempt to argue immunology with us?

Seems you do not have an understanding how the immune system works, to be arguing for a healthy adult to take a flu shot.

As for "argue immunology", have you forgotten your history, and how European diseases wiped out the North American Indian?

 

[KaOTiK]

Never had one

 

[ShawnD1]

Off the top of my head, a cold = lower fever, and snottiness whereas flu = higher fever, not so much with the snottiness and moreso with the body aches.

Alrighty. I'm pretty sure I've had the real flu before then. It sucked. A lot.


Now that I'm a bit older, getting sick doesn't suck as bad. The internet has changed everything. Before internet, everything related to medicine was a total guessing game. There was no way to know what a medication did other than look at the box. Now that we have wikipedia, we can mix and match things to get perfect results every time (except the times you mix the wrong ones and die). Benadryl and Gravol are virtually the same thing. The entire immune system can be turned down a notch by taking ephedrine. Caffeine can relieve headaches when nothing else is available. Midol is a great general pain killer because it's a mixture of Tylenol and an antihistamine similar to Benadryl. Treating sickness is almost like a science experiment.

 

[Fausto]

Seems you do not have an understanding how the immune system works, to be arguing for a healthy adult to take a flu shot.

I would like to decrease the likelyhood I'll get the flu this year. Additionally, the article you linked for us says that the vaccine may even bolster my immunity to atypical flu virii in the future. It may be my autism kicking in here, but I don't see the downside.

As for "argue immunology", have you forgotten your history, and how European diseases wiped out the North American Indian?

If I am reading this correctly, you are inferring that some super-bug is going to arrive on a plane from the Far East and wipe out everybody like me because I am cutting corners with my immune system, right?

You have a zombie bug-out bag under your bed, don't you?

 

[HydroSqueegee]

ahhh.. good ol shots. took my 4 year old to the dr this morning for his 4 year old shots. 4 + the flu shot for a total of 5 in his legs. good times. But at least he'll be safe from some serious diseases that could kill him.

 

[SunnyD]

Had plenty of bouts with strep. Never had a fever or muscle soreness with them. Just extreme fatigue and the afore mentioned throat full of bottle caps and crushed glass.

Yeah, I get strep and I know it's coming. Aches, fatigue, a mildly sore throat and low grade fever for about 2 days before getting worse and worse. Day before my throat will have the crushed glass feeling. Peak day I'll spike a fever of about 103-104 give or take on the worst day of it. About 20-30 hours of writhing semi-consciously in bed, in pain, literally not being able to pull my head off the pillow, drenched in sweat. Then magically the fever breaks and I feel right as rain, minus a little bit tired.

Best part is I get to sound like Barry White for a week.

 

[Texashiker]

You have a zombie bug-out bag under your bed, don't you?

AR-15 - next to bed

Bug Out Bag - in spare bedroom


Depending on how genetically similar the viruses are, exposure to one virus could give resistance to other types of viruses.

Evidence:

Studies suggest that the small pox vaccine could give protection against HIV

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/18/AR2010051805152.html

How does small pox and HIV even relate to each other? But studies suggest that they are related in some manner.


As with the sciencedaily article I posted above, people exposed to the spanish flu 60+ years ago still had an aggressive immune system towards the flu. No vaccine can do that, it only comes through exposure.

As for living in BFE Texas and talking about vaccines, part of my full time job is working is diseases - on the paper work side, not face-to-face. I handle the paper work, call the people, talk with them over the phone, collect information for the Texas Department of State Health services and the CDC.

I see lab reports on a regular basis on people who were exposed to measles or mumps 20, 30, or even 40+ years ago and still have the anti-bodies in their blood.

I also talk to parents whos kids have had the chicken pox vaccines, and their kids still caught chicken pox. I dealt with a chicken pox case yesterday in fact.

We are about to enter the active viral season. This means I will be talking to people who catch the flu. And yes, I talk to people all the time that caught the flu and had their flu shot.

Some diseases should be vaccinated against, especially hepatitis. But the flu? Sure, if you meet certain conditions. I am a healthy male, who does not work directly with the public, and I have no small children at home.

 

[spidey07]

Only times I've ever gotten the flu is when I got the flu shot. I will never get one ever again.

 

[Gibsons]

No, having the flu does not suck, it helps you build a healthy immune system.

There was a study done that said older people who were exposed to flu years ago have resistance to the swine flu.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/SwineFluNews/story?id=7647943&page=1




I would rather catch the flu when I am young and healthy, and have some kind of natural resistance, then rely solely on a flu shot when I get into my 60s and 70s.

You REALLY don't understand immunology.

 

[SunnyD]

Only times I've ever gotten the flu is when I got the flu shot. I will never get one ever again.

But but... that's not the flu! That's your immune systems... response... to....... the (inactivated) flu virus..........

Wait a sec...

 

[Gibsons]

But but... that's not the flu! That's your immune systems... response... to....... the (inactivated) flu virus..........

Wait a sec...

The 'flu' is an infection by the influenza virus. The shot vaccine does not cause this. It's really pretty simple. It can cause some symptoms, but symptoms aren't the disease.