Florist Hit With 2 Lawsuits For Refusing To Serve Gay Couple

[xBiffx]

in washington state? are you sure about that?

Yep.

 

[xBiffx]

We're comparing flowers for a wedding to book burning. :|

Guess we can limit forcing people to do things you find worthy. That works. ^_^

 

[zsdersw]

Yep.

How do you square that with this: http://www.sebrisbusto.com/publications/getEmploymentLawNotes.asp?employmentlawnote_id=0206

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.60

 

[xBiffx]

How do you square that with this: http://www.sebrisbusto.com/publications/getEmploymentLawNotes.asp?employmentlawnote_id=0206

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=49.60

Refer to post 268.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Guess we can limit forcing people to do things you find worthy. That works. ^_^

Did the gay couple in question come into the florist's shop and commit sodomy in front of the owner while demanding flowers? Then it might be comparable to going into a religious book store and insult the owner's faith and demanding they offer up holy scripture for desecration.

 

[xBiffx]

Did the gay couple in question come into the florist's shop and commit sodomy in front of the owner while demanding flowers? Then it might be comparable to going into a religious book store and insult the owner's faith and demanding they offer up holy scripture for desecration.

In your twisted world, perhaps.

 

[surfsatwerk]

In your twisted world, perhaps.

:awe:

 

[shadow9d9]

Says the guy who is on the same side with the people reveling in destroying the livelihood of a old woman.

You are just as pro-discrimination as well. You are in favor of discriminating against people who disagree with your view on marriage. Which is highly ironic given that same-sex marriage supporters have spent years saying that is wrong.

There is no civil right to force people to cater to events they find abhorrent.

That isn't the way "discrimination" works.. you can't "discriminate" against bigots.. keep digging!

Those restaurants were DISCRIMINATED against for not being allowed to kick out blacks!

 

[xBiffx]

That isn't the way "discrimination" works.. you can't "discriminate" against bigots.

If you define bigot as someone who is sticking up for their constitutional rights to exercise their religion then yeah you can.

Bigots can be part of a protected class too.

 

[zsdersw]

Refer to post 268.

Same sex marriages are sought only by those whose sexual orientation is same-sex. Sexual orientation is a protected class in the state of WA.

 

[xBiffx]

Same sex marriages are sought only by those whose sexual orientation is same-sex.

Generally speaking but that isn't a fact. Two hetero men or women could very well seek out a marriage if they were so inclined. But to say only same-sex sexual orientation seek out same sex marriage is not true.

 

[zsdersw]

Generally speaking but that isn't a fact. Two hetero men or women could very well seek out a marriage if they were so inclined.

When has this occurred?

But to say only same-sex sexual orientation seek out same sex marriage is not true.

Yes it is. Show me a case where two heterosexual men or two heterosexual women sought to get married.

 

[nehalem256]

Yes, a Muslim bookstore would likely be required to sell any book to all customers. What is so hard to understand about this?

The fact that I do not think anyone in their right mind believes the Washington AG would be suing a Muslim store for refusing to sell Korans to a Christina group planning to use the Koran's in a book burning.

Because the store would be refusing sale not because of religion, but because of an action that went against the principles of the store owner.

 

[xBiffx]

When has this occurred?

I can't say. But you are trying to say that it can't. Where does the law state that a same-sex marriage has to include two people with homosexual sexual orientation?

The law protects the person from discrimination because they posses a certain characteristic. It doesn't protect their behavior/actions from discrimination.

That is why same-sex marriage, a behavior/action/event, is not part of a protected class nor is any marriage.

 

[etrigan420]

But to say only same-sex sexual orientation seek out same sex marriage is not true.

You and nehalem should *totally* do this...

You know, just to prove your point.

I'll buy the flowers.

 

[nehalem256]

When has this occurred?

Yes it is. Show me a case where two heterosexual men or two heterosexual women sought to get married.

Is there a law against 2 straight people marrying? You do realize the law has only been on the books for less than 6 months in Washington.

Give it time. In fact see posts 184 and 185

I think you're right here than you may know, or that others recognize.

I thinking of the current gay rights case before the SCOTUS where the complaint centers on estate tax laws. When one spouse dies the other receives there property tax free. I.e., it's subject to neither estate (or inheritance0 tax nor income tax.

If that is allowed I wouldn't be surprised in the least if heterosexuals took advantage of it by marrying.

Fern

I would seriously consider it, if it was imposed on my state.

It seems to me straight people would be stupid not considering getting a same-sex marriage.

 

[Retro Rob]

When has this occurred?



Yes it is. Show me a case where two heterosexual men or two heterosexual women sought to get married.

I don't think its ever occured.

If a man is truly "straight", he has ZERO interest in marrying another man.

 

[ElFenix]

I can't say. But you are trying to say that it can't. Where does the law state that a same-sex marriage has to include two people with homosexual sexual orientation?

The law protects the person from discrimination because they posses a certain characteristic. It doesn't protect their behavior/actions from discrimination.

That is why same-sex marriage, a behavior/action/event, is not part of a protected class.

i really don't think the religious are objecting to same sex marriage because of the bromarriage issue.

It seems to me straight people would be stupid not considering getting a same-sex marriage.

there's nothing stopping you from getting a hetero-sex marriage for benes right now (well, other than the sham marriage statutes, which would apply to same-sex marriages)

 

[xBiffx]

You and nehalem should *totally* do this...

You know, just to prove your point.

I'll buy the flowers.

If it I get my federal bennies, why the hell not. Its not like I have to sleep with the other guy.

 

[shadow9d9]

If you define bigot as someone who is sticking up for their constitutional rights to exercise their religion then yeah you can.

Bigots can be part of a protected class too.

Nope. Discrimination in a business environment is not protected. Try again!

 

[nehalem256]

I don't think its ever occured.

If a man is truly "straight", he has ZERO interest in marrying another man.

It wouldn't be a "real" marriage. The only purpose would be to get benefits from the government.

 

[xBiffx]

i really don't think the religious are objecting to same sex marriage because of the bromarriage issue.

It doesn't matter why they object. They have a right to do so. We all must acknowledge that right.

Call it hiding behind the religions excuse, fine. But in this country that is, again, their right.

 

[xBiffx]

Nope. Discrimination in a business environment is not protected. Try again!

When did I say it was?

 

[Retro Rob]

It wouldn't be a "real" marriage. The only purpose would be to get benefits from the government.

That still would be impossible to pull off. I'd rather die than marry another dude... so I don't think so.

 

[zsdersw]

I can't say. But you are trying to say that it can't. Where does the law state that a same-sex marriage has to include two people with homosexual sexual orientation?

I'm saying it won't, for reasons that have everything to do with sexual attraction/orientation.

Where does it say that wheelchair ramps can only be used by those in wheelchairs? Are able-bodied people issued citations/fines for walking up/down wheelchair ramps? Able-bodied people generally don't choose to use wheelchair ramps because they are longer than using the stairs. Heterosexuals don't seek same-sex marriage because they're either not at all attracted to the same sex or aren't sufficiently attracted to it.

The law protects the person from discrimination because they posses a certain characteristic. It doesn't protect their behavior/actions from discrimination.

That is why same-sex marriage, a behavior/action/event, is not part of a protected class nor is any marriage.

When the behavior/action/event is only participated in by people in a protected class a valid issue is raised. I can make the case for both sides in this debate. My objection is to the notion that there is no valid reason for the AG to bring this suit or for the florist to defend (rather than settle).

We will see how it plays out.